Today, at last, my iPhone 15 Pro Max showed a 5G symbol in the upper part
of the screen. My phone company must have just put up a new tower near the coffee shop which I often visit, because this was the first time I noticed
the 5G symbol. I wonder if this also means UWB availability.

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Am 29.05.24 um 21:58 schrieb badgolferman:

Cameo <[email protected]d> wrote:

Today, at last, my iPhone 15 Pro Max showed a 5G symbol in the upper part
of the screen. My phone company must have just put up a new tower near the >> coffee shop which I often visit, because this was the first time I noticed >> the 5G symbol. I wonder if this also means UWB availability.

I have tmobile in SE VA and had the 5G symbol for several years. There’s also now a 5G UC symbol in certain places which I think means Ultra
Capacity. I’m not sure how much better that is.

What is your carrier and location?

UWB is near field communication and has nothing to do with 5G.

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

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Jörg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:

Am 29.05.24 um 21:58 schrieb badgolferman:

Cameo <[email protected]d> wrote:

Today, at last, my iPhone 15 Pro Max showed a 5G symbol in the upper part >>> of the screen. My phone company must have just put up a new tower near the >>> coffee shop which I often visit, because this was the first time I noticed >>> the 5G symbol. I wonder if this also means UWB availability.

I have tmobile in SE VA and had the 5G symbol for several years. There’s >> also now a 5G UC symbol in certain places which I think means Ultra
Capacity. I’m not sure how much better that is.

What is your carrier and location?

UWB is near field communication and has nothing to do with 5G.

Thanks, I didn’t know that, just as I didn’t know that 5G is really another form of NFC.

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badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:

Cameo <[email protected]d> wrote:

Today, at last, my iPhone 15 Pro Max showed a 5G symbol in the upper part
of the screen. My phone company must have just put up a new tower near the >> coffee shop which I often visit, because this was the first time I noticed >> the 5G symbol. I wonder if this also means UWB availability.

I have tmobile in SE VA and had the 5G symbol for several years. There’s also now a 5G UC symbol in certain places which I think means Ultra
Capacity. I’m not sure how much better that is.

What is your carrier and location?

I am an expat, living in Budapest, Hungary, and my carrier is the mostly
German Telekom. Sort of like T-mobile in the US. But I am surprised that
you had 5G that long, because I thought the 5G capable phones started
coming out just recently. But maybe I am confusing it with UWB capability again.

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badgolferman wrote on Wed, 29 May 2024 19:58:27 -0000 (UTC) :

I have tmobile in SE VA and had the 5G symbol for several years. There's
also now a 5G UC symbol in certain places which I think means Ultra
Capacity. I'm not sure how much better that is.

As you know, I've had a 5G phone for years that my carrier (same as yours)
gave me for free, where I see a whole bunch of 5G related symbols on top.

5G SA
5G UC
5G NR
5G NSA

This is where nospam (or maybe Steve) could come in handy as I never looked
up what they mean in reality (I know what the terms mean, but not how they matter in the real world where Steve said all sorts of bad things would
happen to my Galaxy simply because it only supported some 5G frequencies).

5G SA = standalone
5G UC = ultra capacity
5G NR = new radio
5G NSA = not standalone

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Cameo wrote on Wed, 29 May 2024 22:06:31 -0000 (UTC) :

What is your carrier and location?

I am an expat, living in Budapest, Hungary, and my carrier is the mostly German Telekom. Sort of like T-mobile in the US. But I am surprised that
you had 5G that long, because I thought the 5G capable phones started
coming out just recently. But maybe I am confusing it with UWB capability again.

T-Mobile gave everyone in the USA on a post-paid plan a free 5G Android,
and essentially a half-priced iPhone way back in April of 2021.

I took advantage of both offers, where I've had 5G service since then.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg>

In addition, as I'm sure is happening with badgolferman, I'm constantly
getting messages to my text from T-Mobile saying they're upgrading service.
<https://i.postimg.cc/G2wVHjTT/optoutplanmigration.jpg>

Note that the "upgrade" is both of their cellular towers (which, for me,
they seem to upgrade about once a month or so), and of their plans.

An example is T-Mobile gave everyone who had any data on their postpaid
plan, unlimited high-speed data, without them even asking for that upgrade.
<https://i.postimg.cc/tTLPdVXj/speedtest23.jpg> T-mo 419 & 390 Mbps 5G UC
Note the "5G UC" in the shot, which I've had for years on that free phone.

YMMV depending on your carrier of course.

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On 2024-05-29 17:54, Cameo wrote:

Jörg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:

Am 29.05.24 um 21:58 schrieb badgolferman:

Cameo <[email protected]d> wrote:

Today, at last, my iPhone 15 Pro Max showed a 5G symbol in the upper part >>>> of the screen. My phone company must have just put up a new tower near the >>>> coffee shop which I often visit, because this was the first time I noticed >>>> the 5G symbol. I wonder if this also means UWB availability.

I have tmobile in SE VA and had the 5G symbol for several years. There’s >>> also now a 5G UC symbol in certain places which I think means Ultra
Capacity. I’m not sure how much better that is.

What is your carrier and location?

UWB is near field communication and has nothing to do with 5G.

Thanks, I didn’t know that, just as I didn’t know that 5G is really another
form of NFC.

It's not that either.

--
Fore Score and Seven Years ago our Four Fathers fought a lot.
- some guy on the Internet in the 1860's

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On 2024-05-29 15:04, Cameo wrote:

Today, at last, my iPhone 15 Pro Max showed a 5G symbol in the upper part
of the screen. My phone company must have just put up a new tower near the coffee shop which I often visit, because this was the first time I noticed the 5G symbol. I wonder if this also means UWB availability.

Unrelated. And you'll likely find in your area that 5G coverage might
be spotty - really good in one area and nearby you'll fall back.

--
Fore Score and Seven Years ago our Four Fathers fought a lot.
- some guy on the Internet in the 1860's

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On 2024-05-29 18:06, Cameo wrote:

badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:

Cameo <[email protected]d> wrote:

Today, at last, my iPhone 15 Pro Max showed a 5G symbol in the upper part >>> of the screen. My phone company must have just put up a new tower near the >>> coffee shop which I often visit, because this was the first time I noticed >>> the 5G symbol. I wonder if this also means UWB availability.

I have tmobile in SE VA and had the 5G symbol for several years. There’s >> also now a 5G UC symbol in certain places which I think means Ultra
Capacity. I’m not sure how much better that is.

What is your carrier and location?

I am an expat, living in Budapest, Hungary, and my carrier is the mostly German Telekom. Sort of like T-mobile in the US. But I am surprised that
you had 5G that long, because I thought the 5G capable phones started
coming out just recently. But maybe I am confusing it with UWB capability again.

UWB is in unlicensed bands and is a very weak spread spectrum signal.
It is meant for local to the user services. Apple use for things like
locating AirTags, Pods, etc.

Cell comms are very much licensed bands (unlike WiFi).

--
Fore Score and Seven Years ago our Four Fathers fought a lot.
- some guy on the Internet in the 1860's

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Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-05-29 17:54, Cameo wrote:

Jörg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:

Am 29.05.24 um 21:58 schrieb badgolferman:

Cameo <[email protected]d> wrote:

Today, at last, my iPhone 15 Pro Max showed a 5G symbol in the upper part >>>>> of the screen. My phone company must have just put up a new tower near >>>>> the
coffee shop which I often visit, because this was the first time I
noticed
the 5G symbol. I wonder if this also means UWB� availability.

I have tmobile in SE VA and had the 5G symbol for several years. There’s >>>> also now a 5G UC symbol in certain places which I think means Ultra
Capacity. I’m not sure how much better that is.

What is your carrier and location?

UWB is near field communication and has nothing to do with 5G.

Thanks, I didn’t know that, just as I didn’t know that 5G is really
another
form of NFC.

It's not that either.

It's mysterious shit, right?

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Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:

Cameo wrote on Wed, 29 May 2024 22:06:31 -0000 (UTC) :

What is your carrier and location?

I am an expat, living in Budapest, Hungary, and my carrier is the mostly
German Telekom. Sort of like T-mobile in the US. But I am surprised that
you had 5G that long, because I thought the 5G capable phones started
coming out just recently. But maybe I am confusing it with UWB capability
again.

T-Mobile gave everyone in the USA on a post-paid plan a free 5G Android,
and essentially a half-priced iPhone way back in April of 2021.

I took advantage of both offers, where I've had 5G service since then.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg>

In addition, as I'm sure is happening with badgolferman, I'm constantly getting messages to my text from T-Mobile saying they're upgrading service.
<https://i.postimg.cc/G2wVHjTT/optoutplanmigration.jpg>

Note that the "upgrade" is both of their cellular towers (which, for me,
they seem to upgrade about once a month or so), and of their plans.

An example is T-Mobile gave everyone who had any data on their postpaid
plan, unlimited high-speed data, without them even asking for that upgrade.
<https://i.postimg.cc/tTLPdVXj/speedtest23.jpg> T-mo 419 & 390 Mbps 5G UC Note the "5G UC" in the shot, which I've had for years on that free phone.

YMMV depending on your carrier of course.

I also was a T-Mobile customer in the Seattle area until 5 years ago, when
I moved here, though I was prepaid with a cheap Wallmart plan for $30 a
month. Is John Legere there still the CEO? I liked the guy, he was very innovative.

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badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:

Cameo <[email protected]d> wrote:

I am an expat, living in Budapest, Hungary,

Why are you an ex-patriot and why did you choose Hungary?

Because my retirement income makes a more comfortable living here then
over there. Plus I have some relatives here whom I used to visit every few years and I could see the steady improvement of the country. Just the
opposite what I saw in the US. I miss though a few things here, like the
good neighborhood bars and the American health care system. They are still better over there than here,

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Am 29.05.24 um 23:54 schrieb Cameo:

Jörg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:

Am 29.05.24 um 21:58 schrieb badgolferman:

Cameo <[email protected]d> wrote:

Today, at last, my iPhone 15 Pro Max showed a 5G symbol in the upper part >>>> of the screen. My phone company must have just put up a new tower near the >>>> coffee shop which I often visit, because this was the first time I noticed >>>> the 5G symbol. I wonder if this also means UWB availability.

I have tmobile in SE VA and had the 5G symbol for several years. There’s >>> also now a 5G UC symbol in certain places which I think means Ultra
Capacity. I’m not sure how much better that is.

What is your carrier and location?

UWB is near field communication and has nothing to do with 5G.

Thanks, I didn’t know that, just as I didn’t know that 5G is really another
form of NFC.

This is a misunderstanding: 5G is *not* nearfield communication but UWB is.

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

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badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:

Cameo <[email protected]d> wrote:

badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:

Cameo <[email protected]d> wrote:

I am an expat, living in Budapest, Hungary,

Why are you an ex-patriot and why did you choose Hungary?

Because my retirement income makes a more comfortable living here then
over there. Plus I have some relatives here whom I used to visit every few >> years and I could see the steady improvement of the country. Just the
opposite what I saw in the US. I miss though a few things here, like the
good neighborhood bars and the American health care system. They are still >> better over there than here,

I assume you are now a Hungarian citizen. Do you receive government
benefits there? Can you vote? As an ex-patriot do you receive Social
Security or other US government benefits?

Oh boy, you sure are curious, but I’ll answer you. In Hungary citizenship goes with ancestry, not by being born in Hungary. So yes, I am a dual
citizen and thus I can vote here. Because I did not work and paid taxes
here, I get no government benefits. I am enrolled in their government
health indurance system though, but I pay for it every month. I am entitled
to receive US Social Security payments, based on how much they deducted
from me during my working years. And, of course, I still keep paying US
federal income taxes on all my income even if it was earned here. US is kinda’ unique in this, because in most countries I know of, you do not have you pay taxes on money you did not earn there. IRS is gready, I guess.

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Cameo <[email protected]d> wrote:

badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:

Cameo <[email protected]d> wrote:

badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:

Cameo <[email protected]d> wrote:

I am an expat, living in Budapest, Hungary,

Why are you an ex-patriot and why did you choose Hungary?

Because my retirement income makes a more comfortable living here then
over there. Plus I have some relatives here whom I used to visit every few >>> years and I could see the steady improvement of the country. Just the
opposite what I saw in the US. I miss though a few things here, like the >>> good neighborhood bars and the American health care system. They are still >>> better over there than here,

I assume you are now a Hungarian citizen. Do you receive government
benefits there? Can you vote? As an ex-patriot do you receive Social
Security or other US government benefits?

Oh boy, you sure are curious, but I’ll answer you. In Hungary citizenship goes with ancestry, not by being born in Hungary. So yes, I am a dual
citizen and thus I can vote here. Because I did not work and paid taxes
here, I get no government benefits. I am enrolled in their government
health indurance system though, but I pay for it every month. I am entitled to receive US Social Security payments, based on how much they deducted
from me during my working years. And, of course, I still keep paying US federal income taxes on all my income even if it was earned here. US is kinda’ unique in this, because in most countries I know of, you do not have you pay taxes on money you did not earn there. IRS is gready, I guess.

I just discovered a surprising thing about 5G. It lit up in my underground garage, where I could never get a 4G/ LTE signal before. How is it? I
thought 5G was working shorter distances and penetrating walls worse than
4G.

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W Tue, 4 Jun 2024 13:59:39 -0000 (UTC), Cameo napisal:

I just discovered a surprising thing about 5G. It lit up in my underground garage, where I could never get a 4G/ LTE signal before. How is it? I
thought 5G was working shorter distances and penetrating walls worse than
4G.

SNR maybe?

Run a quick radio SNR survey to see what the noise environment looks like.

https://documentation.meraki.com/MR/Wi-Fi_Basics_and_Best_Practices/Signal-to-Noise_Ratio_(SNR)_and_Wireless_Signal_Strength

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On 2024-06-04 09:59, Cameo wrote:

I just discovered a surprising thing about 5G. It lit up in my underground garage, where I could never get a 4G/ LTE signal before. How is it? I
thought 5G was working shorter distances and penetrating walls worse than
4G.

Depends on the frequency. 5G is not a band - it is on several bands -
some propagate much better through some obstacles than others.

At much higher frequencies, yes: shorter distances meaning the cell co's
have to put up more transceivers. These are relatively small
box/antennas systems.

Another reason you may be receiving it down in the garage is that it
doesn't take much of an aperture to get the signal into a space - a
small window or ventilation to the outside may be all it takes along
with a fortuitous placement of the outdoor antenna.

I have a temperature/humidity sensor outside. I placed it in a 2L
plastic jar to protect it from the rain. Slots ( 4X about 7mm x 40mm )
at the top and bottom for ventilation. Inside the jar, 2 layers of
aluminum foil to reflect heat. The slots for ventilation are sufficient
for the radio signal to get out and make their way to the far side of
the house.

--
British writing about the US can be condescending, but that there is
value in an outsiders’ perspective because they can “see the alarming cracks in the wall the resident has stopped noticing… but also see the grandeur of a room where the resident can only see the cracks.”
Jesse Armstrong.

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Jan K. <[email protected]> wrote:

W Tue, 4 Jun 2024 13:59:39 -0000 (UTC), Cameo napisal:

I just discovered a surprising thing about 5G. It lit up in my underground >> garage, where I could never get a 4G/ LTE signal before. How is it? I
thought 5G was working shorter distances and penetrating walls worse than
4G.

SNR maybe?

Run a quick radio SNR survey to see what the noise environment looks like.

https://documentation.meraki.com/MR/Wi-Fi_Basics_and_Best_Practices/Signal-to-Noise_Ratio_(SNR)_and_Wireless_Signal_Strength

This is beyond my pay grade.

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