https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/20/24161152/apple-ios-17-photo-bug
Earlier today, Apple issued a fix in iOS and iPadOS 17.5.1. Patching
buggy software is a good, normal thing. But that’s not the issue here.
The issue is that the fix “addresses a rare issue where photos that experienced database corruption could reappear in the Photos library
even if they were deleted” — and that’s all Apple has to say about it.
On iOS, deleted photos technically spend 30 days in the Recently
Deleted folder before disappearing for good, but the intent to send a
photo to digital oblivion is still there. A reasonable person would
expect a deleted file to stay that way. That’s why it’s understandable that people freaked out last week when photos deleted years ago had
suddenly reappeared in their iPhone photo library.
This is obviously a privacy concern.
Another post claimed that old photos appeared on an iPad that was sold to another person.
Another post claimed that old photos appeared on an iPad that was sold to
another person.
I call BS on that. If the iPad was fully reset before the sale, that would be impossible. If it really DID happen, then the seller fucked up.
That's enough explanation for me. But then I'm not a gullible rube who
jumps to incorrect conclusions based on ignorance and unsubstantiated
rumors.
On May 21, 2024 at 12:31:18 PM EDT, ""badgolferman"" <[email protected]> wrote:
Another post claimed that old photos appeared on an iPad that was sold to
another person.
I call BS on that. If the iPad was fully reset before the sale, that would be impossible. If it really DID happen, then the seller fucked up.
On 5/22/2024 5:10 AM, Tyrone wrote:
Another post claimed that old photos appeared on an iPad that was sold to >>> another person.
I call BS on that. If the iPad was fully reset before the sale, that would be
impossible. If it really DID happen, then the seller fucked up.
Did the photos that weren't really deleted actually come from the iCloud?
Or were those undeleted photos coming back from the user's device itself?
badgolferman wrote on Tue, 21 May 2024 16:31:18 -0000 (UTC) :It's probably not database corruption, as that would lead to data loss,
https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/20/24161152/apple-ios-17-photo-bug
I said the same thing, which is Apple cleverly lied about what happened.
You'll notice I wrote this when Apple's lie about the bug came out.
> Apple released a bugfix for the resurfacing old photos
> (which were never deleted, despite Apple claiming they were)...
> https://www.macrumors.com/2024/05/20/apple-releases-ios-17-5-1-photos-bug/
You have to admit it's clever to call it a "database corruption" problem.
What it really was, was *Apple didn't actually delete the photos*.
Just like Ashley Madison didn't actually delete users' data either.
Methinks this is yet another billion-dollar Apple lie ready to be fought
out in the courts... where Apple only tells the truth when forced to, in court.
On 21/05/2024 22:25, Andrew wrote:
badgolferman wrote on Tue, 21 May 2024 16:31:18 -0000 (UTC) :
https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/20/24161152/apple-ios-17-photo-bug
I said the same thing, which is Apple cleverly lied about what
happened.
It's probably not database corruption, as that would lead to data
loss, not undeleting.
That being said, it's most likely a bug of some kind (maybe some
desync between multiple iCloud servers where deletion requests were
only respected in all but one server).
On 2024-05-22, Gordinator <[email protected]> wrote:
On 21/05/2024 22:25, Andrew wrote:
badgolferman wrote on Tue, 21 May 2024 16:31:18 -0000 (UTC) :
https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/20/24161152/apple-ios-17-photo-bug
I said the same thing, which is Apple cleverly lied about what
happened.
That's an unsubstantiated claim.
It's probably not database corruption, as that would lead to data
loss, not undeleting.
Actually, database corruption can take many forms and is definitely not limited to data loss the way you are suggesting.
That being said, it's most likely a bug of some kind (maybe some
desync between multiple iCloud servers where deletion requests were
only respected in all but one server).
The issue is not related to iCloud since it affected users who did not
have their photos stored in iCloud. The issue is related to photos that
were saved to locations other than the photo library (such as the Files
app), where the Photos app showed the user those photos, users deleted
them, and they weren't properly deleted from those external locations.
We will probably never know what sort of iFuckup it was. Why bother to speculate?
It's gone now, fixed.
Gordinator wrote on Wed, 22 May 2024 21:29:18 +0100 :
It's probably not database corruption, as that would lead to data loss,
not undeleting.
I would agree with you that it's not corruption. It's Apple's brazen lying.
It's probably not database corruption, as that would lead to data loss,
not undeleting.
That being said, it's most likely a bug of some kind (maybe some desync between multiple iCloud servers where deletion requests were only
respected in all but one server).
I prefer to assume incompetence,
rather than malice, unless sufficient evidence is provided.
The world
isn't like in the movies where all the execs smoke cigars and laugh at
how they're going to screw over the customer.
On 2024-05-22 19:15, Andrew wrote:
Gordinator wrote on Wed, 22 May 2024 21:29:18 +0100 :
It's probably not database corruption, as that would lead to data
loss, not undeleting.
I would agree with you that it's not corruption. It's Apple's brazen
lying.
Then you demonstrate your profound ignorance of how computer systems
and databases work.
Jolly Roger wrote on 23 May 2024 03:30:46 GMT :
I would agree with you that it's not corruption. It's Apple's brazen
lying.
Then you demonstrate your profound ignorance of how computer systems
and databases work.
As a developer, the idea that database corruption couldn't play a huge
part in something like this is frankly laughable.
If you don't instantly see right through Apple's bullshit about "database corruption" then that's good reason for me saying you're an Apple zealot.
Apple simply lied.
It's not "database corruption"; it's a bug that Apple missed.
Apple didn't test for it. Apple didn't even find it. For years.
It's standard operating procedure for Apple where Google proved more than *half of the Facetime code had _NEVER BEEN TESTED_ by Apple* when that kid found those bugs which proves that Apple never tests iOS sufficiently.
Don't you wonder why Apple constantly loses all those expensive lawsuits?
I would agree with you that it's not corruption. It's Apple's brazen
lying.
Then you demonstrate your profound ignorance of how computer systems
and databases work.
As a developer, the idea that database corruption couldn't play a huge
part in something like this is frankly laughable.
Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2024-05-22, Gordinator <[email protected]> wrote:
On 21/05/2024 22:25, Andrew wrote:
badgolferman wrote on Tue, 21 May 2024 16:31:18 -0000 (UTC) :
https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/20/24161152/apple-ios-17-photo-bug
I said the same thing, which is Apple cleverly lied about what
happened.
That's an unsubstantiated claim.
It's probably not database corruption, as that would lead to data
loss, not undeleting.
Actually, database corruption can take many forms and is definitely not
limited to data loss the way you are suggesting.
That being said, it's most likely a bug of some kind (maybe some
desync between multiple iCloud servers where deletion requests were
only respected in all but one server).
The issue is not related to iCloud since it affected users who did not
have their photos stored in iCloud. The issue is related to photos that
were saved to locations other than the photo library (such as the Files
app), where the Photos app showed the user those photos, users deleted
them, and they weren't properly deleted from those external locations.
We will probably never know what sort of iFuckup it was. Why bother to speculate?
It's gone now, fixed.
On 2024-05-22 19:15, Andrew wrote:
Gordinator wrote on Wed, 22 May 2024 21:29:18 +0100 :
It's probably not database corruption, as that would lead to data
loss, not undeleting.
I would agree with you that it's not corruption. It's Apple's brazen
lying.
Then you demonstrate your profound ignorance of how computer systems
and databases work.
On 2024-05-22, Gordinator <[email protected]> wrote:
On 21/05/2024 22:25, Andrew wrote:
badgolferman wrote on Tue, 21 May 2024 16:31:18 -0000 (UTC) :
https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/20/24161152/apple-ios-17-photo-bug
I said the same thing, which is Apple cleverly lied about what
happened.
That's an unsubstantiated claim.
It's probably not database corruption, as that would lead to data
loss, not undeleting.
Actually, database corruption can take many forms and is definitely not limited to data loss the way you are suggesting.
That being said, it's most likely a bug of some kind (maybe some
desync between multiple iCloud servers where deletion requests were
only respected in all but one server).
The issue is not related to iCloud since it affected users who did not
have their photos stored in iCloud. The issue is related to photos that
were saved to locations other than the photo library (such as the Files
app), where the Photos app showed the user those photos, users deleted
them, and they weren't properly deleted from those external locations.
Alan <[email protected]> wrote in news:v2m959$1icfo$[email protected]:
On 2024-05-22 19:15, Andrew wrote:
Gordinator wrote on Wed, 22 May 2024 21:29:18 +0100 :
It's probably not database corruption, as that would lead to data
loss, not undeleting.
I would agree with you that it's not corruption. It's Apple's brazen
lying.
Then you demonstrate your profound ignorance of how computer systems
and databases work.
Only a moron would store pictures in a "database".
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-05-22, Gordinator <[email protected]> wrote:
On 21/05/2024 22:25, Andrew wrote:
I said the same thing, which is Apple cleverly lied about what
happened.
That's an unsubstantiated claim.
It's probably not database corruption, as that would lead to data
loss, not undeleting.
Actually, database corruption can take many forms and is definitely
not limited to data loss the way you are suggesting.
That being said, it's most likely a bug of some kind (maybe some
desync between multiple iCloud servers where deletion requests were
only respected in all but one server).
The issue is not related to iCloud since it affected users who did
not have their photos stored in iCloud. The issue is related to
photos that were saved to locations other than the photo library
(such as the Files app), where the Photos app showed the user those
photos, users deleted them, and they weren't properly deleted from
those external locations.
Got a source for that? Or is it wild speculation in your front?
Jolly Roger wrote on 23 May 2024 03:30:46 GMT :
I would agree with you that it's not corruption. It's Apple's
brazen lying.
Then you demonstrate your profound ignorance of how computer systems
and databases work.
As a developer, the idea that database corruption couldn't play a
huge part in something like this is frankly laughable.
If you don't instantly see right through Apple's bullshit about
"database corruption" then that's good reason for me saying you're an
Apple zealot.
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
On 2024-05-22, Gordinator <[email protected]> wrote:
On 21/05/2024 22:25, Andrew wrote:
I said the same thing, which is Apple cleverly lied about what
happened.
That's an unsubstantiated claim.
Apple lies about everything.
It's probably not database corruption, as that would lead to data
loss, not undeleting.
Actually, database corruption can take many forms and is definitely
not limited to data loss the way you are suggesting.
Undeleted pictures is not exactly data loss.
That being said, it's most likely a bug of some kind (maybe some
desync between multiple iCloud servers where deletion requests were
only respected in all but one server).
The issue is not related to iCloud since it affected users who did
not have their photos stored in iCloud. The issue is related to
photos that were saved to locations other than the photo library
(such as the Files app), where the Photos app showed the user those
photos, users deleted them, and they weren't properly deleted from
those external locations.
That's what happens companies outsource their programming to India.
It's relatively well known at this point.
it's certainly possible
(even probable) that database issues would cause these symptoms
Jolly Roger wrote on 23 May 2024 16:13:50 GMT :
It's relatively well known at this point.
What you need to know is only that Apple simply forgot to delete them. Otherwise, how could they come back, even years later, Jolly Roger?
Jolly Roger wrote on 23 May 2024 16:08:02 GMT :
it's certainly possible
(even probable) that database issues would cause these symptoms
It's even more likely that Apple simply forgot to delete them.
Especially since the pictures were _always_ there, Jolly Roger.
Think about that.
Apple never deleted them.
Apple lied that they were deleted.
Jolly Roger wrote on 23 May 2024 16:08:02 GMT :
it's certainly possible (even probable) that database issues would
cause these symptoms
It's even more likely that Apple simply forgot to delete them.
Especially since the pictures were _always_ there, Jolly Roger.
Apple lied that they were deleted.
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-05-23, Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-05-22, Gordinator <[email protected]> wrote:
On 21/05/2024 22:25, Andrew wrote:
I said the same thing, which is Apple cleverly lied about what
happened.
That's an unsubstantiated claim.
It's probably not database corruption, as that would lead to data
loss, not undeleting.
Actually, database corruption can take many forms and is definitely
not limited to data loss the way you are suggesting.
That being said, it's most likely a bug of some kind (maybe some
desync between multiple iCloud servers where deletion requests were
only respected in all but one server).
The issue is not related to iCloud since it affected users who did
not have their photos stored in iCloud. The issue is related to
photos that were saved to locations other than the photo library
(such as the Files app), where the Photos app showed the user those
photos, users deleted them, and they weren't properly deleted from
those external locations.
Got a source for that? Or is it wild speculation in your front?
Not speculation. Many people affected have posted about it - and some
weren't even using iCloud. And I have friends who work at Apple. Also
others have posted about this on social media. It's relatively well
known at this point.
A simple "no" would have sufficed.
The article here and the reddit thread about it both mention icloud and
don't mention Files so it isn't "relatively well known".
It's even more likely that Apple simply forgot to delete them.
Nonsense. No evidence suggests that.
Especially since the pictures were _always_ there, Jolly Roger.
The images in question were saved outside of the photo library, and a
bug caused them not to be deleted in their external location yet be
hidden from view inside of the Photos application.
Apple lied that they were deleted.
Obscure bugs don't equate to lies...
Jolly Roger wrote on 23 May 2024 22:54:01 GMT :
It's even more likely that Apple simply forgot to delete them.
Nonsense. No evidence suggests that.
Years ago, the pictures were supposedly deleted. Now with this recent update, those "deleted" pictures resurface.
There's no other logical conclusion other than they weren't deleted.
The images in question were saved outside of the photo library, and a
bug caused them not to be deleted in their external location yet be
hidden from view inside of the Photos application.
Apple lied that they were deleted.
Obscure bugs don't equate to lies...
It's a brazen (but rather clever) Apple lie that a 'data corruption'
On 2024-05-23, Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote on 23 May 2024 22:54:01 GMT :
It's even more likely that Apple simply forgot to delete them.
Nonsense. No evidence suggests that.
Years ago, the pictures were supposedly deleted. Now with this recent update, those "deleted" pictures resurface.
There's no other logical conclusion other than they weren't deleted.
Nobody claimed the files weren't deleted, little Arlen. The claim you
made was "Apple lied".
The images in question were saved outside of the photo library, and a
bug caused them not to be deleted in their external location yet be
hidden from view inside of the Photos application.
Apple lied that they were deleted.
Obscure bugs don't equate to lies...
It's a brazen (but rather clever) Apple lie that a 'data corruption'
Nope. Sorry. By your idiotic measure, all bugs are lies, which is
ridiculous on its face. Your trolls are as weak as your intellect,
little Arlen.
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I suspect, without hacing any information beyond
the public claims, that the photos were never actually deleted, but
the indexing included a flag saying "do NOT show these
to the owner".
I'm not sorry that more detailed explanations hurt your trollish sensibilities.
The article here and the reddit thread about it both mention icloud and
don't mention Files so it isn't "relatively well known".
No. This happened to users who did not use iCloud for photo storage.
Only users who saved images outside of the photo library were affected.
Are you actually suggesting articles and Reddit posters are never wrong? Laughable.
Jolly Roger wrote on 23 May 2024 22:57:31 GMT :
I'm not sorry that more detailed explanations hurt your trollish
sensibilities.
Like a Christian who doesn't understand why people are worked up about Priests sodomizing kids, you don't understand when people are worked up
about Apple's lies.
The "database corruption" is nothing more or less than another Apple lie. Let's hope Apple loses another billion dollar lawsuit over Apple's lies.
The article here and the reddit thread about it both mention icloud and
don't mention Files so it isn't "relatively well known".
No. This happened to users who did not use iCloud for photo storage.
Only users who saved images outside of the photo library were affected.
Are you actually suggesting articles and Reddit posters are never wrong?
Laughable.
Apparently the photos reappeared from at least 2010, Jolly Roger. https://www.theregister.com/2024/05/15/ios_deleted_photos/
If this is true, that means Apple hasn't found this bug in over a decade. Which is pretty bad, don't you think?
Almost fifteen years of photos have been resurfacing, Jolly Roger.
It's not a "database corruption" when the photos are completely intact.
It's nothing more than yet another brazen Apple lie.
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-05-23, Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-05-23, Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-05-22, Gordinator <[email protected]> wrote:
On 21/05/2024 22:25, Andrew wrote:
I said the same thing, which is Apple cleverly lied about what >>>>>>>> happened.
That's an unsubstantiated claim.
It's probably not database corruption, as that would lead to
data loss, not undeleting.
Actually, database corruption can take many forms and is
definitely not limited to data loss the way you are suggesting.
That being said, it's most likely a bug of some kind (maybe some >>>>>>> desync between multiple iCloud servers where deletion requests
were only respected in all but one server).
The issue is not related to iCloud since it affected users who
did not have their photos stored in iCloud. The issue is related
to photos that were saved to locations other than the photo
library (such as the Files app), where the Photos app showed the
user those photos, users deleted them, and they weren't properly
deleted from those external locations.
Got a source for that? Or is it wild speculation in your front?
Not speculation. Many people affected have posted about it - and
some weren't even using iCloud. And I have friends who work at
Apple. Also others have posted about this on social media. It's
relatively well known at this point.
A simple "no" would have sufficed.
I'm not sorry that more detailed explanations hurt your trollish
sensibilities.
The article here and the reddit thread about it both mention icloud
and don't mention Files so it isn't "relatively well known".
No. This happened to users who did not use iCloud for photo storage.
Only users who saved images outside of the photo library were
affected.
That's not the case
the examples from the ElReg article
Are you actually suggesting articles and Reddit posters are never wrong?
I'm actually showing some evidence. You're simply asserting unsupported claims.
I'm suggesting you're wrong.
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-05-24, Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
I'm suggesting you're wrong.
No I'm not wrong. This is not an iCloud issue. It's an issue where
database corruption caused photos not to be deleted in the file
system under certain circumstances yet be hidden in the Photos app
Certainly sounds plausible, but how would a 10-yo photo be
resurrected? I guess it's possible, but unlikely, that the phone is 10
years old.
On 24/05/2024 at 03:21, Andrew wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote on 23 May 2024 22:57:31 GMT :
I'm not sorry that more detailed explanations hurt your trollish
sensibilities.
Like a Christian who doesn't understand why people are worked up about
Priests sodomizing kids, you don't understand when people are worked up
about Apple's lies.
The "database corruption" is nothing more or less than another Apple lie.
Let's hope Apple loses another billion dollar lawsuit over Apple's lies.
The article here and the reddit thread about it both mention icloud and >>>> don't mention Files so it isn't "relatively well known".
No. This happened to users who did not use iCloud for photo storage.
Only users who saved images outside of the photo library were affected.
Are you actually suggesting articles and Reddit posters are never wrong? >>> Laughable.
Apparently the photos reappeared from at least 2010, Jolly Roger.
https://www.theregister.com/2024/05/15/ios_deleted_photos/
If this is true, that means Apple hasn't found this bug in over a decade.
Which is pretty bad, don't you think?
Almost fifteen years of photos have been resurfacing, Jolly Roger.
It's not a "database corruption" when the photos are completely intact.
It's nothing more than yet another brazen Apple lie.
I don;t know if this is the same thing, but I have noticed for some
years the occasional old photos appearing on my rarely used iPad. They
are easy to spot because I move all my photos to other media and then
delete them on my iPhone so those deleted should disappear everywhere
after 30 days.
Correct. This is Hanlon's Razor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor
The amount of effort and coordination to achieve such a scenario make it impossible. Ever tried getting more than a couple of important people on
the same Zoom call? It takes months.
Alan <[email protected]> wrote in news:v2m959$1icfo$[email protected]:
On 2024-05-22 19:15, Andrew wrote:
Gordinator wrote on Wed, 22 May 2024 21:29:18 +0100 :
It's probably not database corruption, as that would lead to data
loss, not undeleting.
I would agree with you that it's not corruption. It's Apple's brazen
lying.
Then you demonstrate your profound ignorance of how computer systems
and databases work.
Only a moron would store pictures in a "database".
Actually, database corruption can take many forms and is definitely not
limited to data loss the way you are suggesting.
Undeleted pictures is not exactly data loss.
The issue is not related to iCloud since it affected users who did not
have their photos stored in iCloud. The issue is related to photos that
were saved to locations other than the photo library (such as the Files
app), where the Photos app showed the user those photos, users deleted
them, and they weren't properly deleted from those external locations.
That's what happens companies outsource their programming to India.
Earlier today, Apple issued a fix in iOS and iPadOS 17.5.1. Patching
buggy software is a good, normal thing.i
Actually, database corruption can take many forms and is definitely
not limited to data loss the way you are suggesting.
Undeleted pictures is not exactly data loss.
Maybe not, but it doesn't change the fact that the data was corrupted somehow.
The issue is not related to iCloud since it affected users who did
not have their photos stored in iCloud. The issue is related to
photos that were saved to locations other than the photo library
(such as the Files app), where the Photos app showed the user those
photos, users deleted them, and they weren't properly deleted from
those external locations.
That's what happens companies outsource their programming to India.
Bad code isn't a result of outsourcing, but rather poor maintenance
practice. A lack of proper or consistent testing, high employee
turnover leading to nobody with real code-base familiarity, technical
debt, and more can all make a code-base harder to maintain and buggy.
I know better than to accuse an Internet stranger of bigotry, but it
does sound like you're jumping to conclusions based on prejudice.
On 23/05/2024 06:24, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Alan <[email protected]> wrote in news:v2m959$1icfo$[email protected]:
On 2024-05-22 19:15, Andrew wrote:
Gordinator wrote on Wed, 22 May 2024 21:29:18 +0100 :
It's probably not database corruption, as that would lead to data
loss, not undeleting.
I would agree with you that it's not corruption. It's Apple's brazen
lying.
Then you demonstrate your profound ignorance of how computer systems
and databases work.
Only a moron would store pictures in a "database".
What do you think a filesystem is? A database of course. Also,
bog-standard SQL databases are more than capable of holding files. It's
a bad idea, since SQL isn't designed with that in mind, but if SQL can
do it, surely more specialised software has been created in the past.
William Stickers wrote:
William Stickers wrote:
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Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2024-05-25, % <[email protected]> wrote:no silly first you win the lottery like i did
Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2024-05-24, % <[email protected]> wrote:sure i could , slapnutts
Andrew wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote on 24 May 2024 15:33:04 GMT :i wouldn't
He will now cite lawsuits where *both sides settled* claiming that >>>>>>>>> must mean "Apple lost them".
Nobody pays a billion dollars in penalties when they're not guilty, >>>>>>>> JR.
You'll never be able to, twit.
Yes, trolling on Usenet 24/7 is definitely how you become a billionaire. >>>> ?
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Lottery winners don't live on hand outs.
Counsellors don't need to live on hand outs.
Locked-in, good fer nuffing shitbags, they need hand outs.
I like telling Fat Dave the truth, it shows how stoopid he is.
none of the above applies to me ,
and you spelled counselors wrong ,
i'm sure if there was one here they'd tell you
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