• Pa. lawmakers pushing bills to have students' cell phones locked away d

    From social media retards@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 10 00:08:14 2024
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    HARRISBURG � As state lawmakers appear close to passing a bill to
    effectively take cell phones out of the hands of drivers, talk is
    increasing about taking cell phones out of the hands of students during
    school.

    Sen. Ryan Aument, R-Lancaster, plans to file a bill in the Senate that
    would do just that. State Rep. Barb Gleim, R-Cumberland, filed one earlier
    this year that is awaiting action in the House Education Committee.

    The concept embraced by both is having students put their phones in a
    locked container during the school day, and it would be unlocked when
    classes are over. Mr. Aument also plans to propose a pilot program in
    which some schools would get state money for �lockable phone bags� and
    data would be collected to track the program�s effectiveness.

    But it�s not the logistics that may trigger an uproar. It�s the mere
    notion of school students being without access to their phones.

    A recent study published by the nonprofit Common Sense called getting a
    cell phone a �rite of passage� for children and adolescents. It found 97%
    of study participants used their phones for a median of 43 minutes during school hours. Social media use took up 32% of that time.

    Mr. Aument cited the recent steep decline in the mental health in
    children. He pointed out that suicide rates for girls aged 10-14 increased
    131% in a recent ten-year period.

    �Because we know widespread access to smartphones and social media apps increases depression, anxiety, feelings of isolation, and even suicidal thoughts in teens and children, my bill is a commonsense approach to
    improve student mental health and academic performance alike,� Mr. Aument
    said.

    Sherri Smith, executive director of the Pennsylvania Association of School Administrators, said the proposals would start a necessary conversation. �Constant connectivity� by students inhibits the building of collaborative relationships, she said, not to mention the distraction of their attention
    from school.

    �It is the impetus of a lot of problems that our schools and our teachers
    are managing in the classrooms,� Ms. Smith said. Many schools, she added, already have students put phones aside, often in �cubbies� along a wall.

    A spokesperson for the Pennsylvania State Education Association, Chris Lillienthal, said PSEA has taken no position on the proposal.

    Among lawmakers, recognition of the problem is bipartisan. Sen. Nick
    Miller, D-Lehigh and a former Allentown School Board member, said there is
    a definite need to address the mental health crisis in schools.

    �Coming out of the pandemic, there is an increased need,� Mr. Miller said.
    �I definitely agree that cell phones are distracting and mental health is
    an issue.�

    A big hurdle the proposal faces, Mr. Miller said, is the belief that cell phones are a necessary, full-time connection for parents with their
    children. Those parents, he said, are going to have �significant concern�
    about the proposal.

    Beyond that, Mr. Miller pointed to an Allentown School District pilot
    program where students 14 and older can actually use their cell phones �
    and specifically, an app called �Counslr� � to access mental health professionals via text, around the clock.

    Rep. Joe Ciresi, D-Montgomery, applauded the introduction of the proposal, calling cell phones �addictive� and recognizing �kids are on their devices constantly.� But he said he didn�t think the proposal would get full
    support from both parties.

    He recalled the recent passage in the House, with amendments, of a bill
    from Sen. Rosemary Brown, R-Monroe, that would ban handheld use of cell
    phones by drivers. The bill, already passed in an earlier form by both
    chambers but amended yet again on Monday by the Senate Rules and Executive Nominations Committee, will need further votes in both chambers.

    Action by Pennsylvania would not set a precedent.

    In March, Indiana Gov. Eric Holcomb signed into law a measure that
    requires every school entity to adopt a policy that �prohibits a student
    from using a wireless communication device during instructional time.�

    Mileva Repasky, a mother of three children who attend school in
    southeastern Pennsylvania, said several years ago she got a call from a
    school counselor who said her oldest child appeared to be having a mental health crisis.

    �He was really suffering from cell phone addiction,� said Ms. Repasky. �We
    got all the help he needed and took the cell phone away.�

    Ms. Repasky became co-founder of the nonprofit Phone-Free Schools
    Movement.

    She said that during emergencies like school shootings, law enforcement
    have made it clear they want children paying attention to instructions �
    either from trusted adults who are present or those they have been taught previously � rather than shooting video or calling their parents.

    A Seattle public interest lawyer who advises the Phone-Free group, Laura Marquez-Garrett, said social media overuse by children has produced catastrophic results. She and other attorneys at the Social Media Victims
    Law Center have filed many lawsuits against social media companies
    associated with claims of harm to children.

    �Schools are supposed to be a safe place for kids. We all need to take a
    step back and look at these companies, these for-profit companies,� Ms. Marquez-Garrett said. �They don�t have our children�s best interests at
    heart.�

    An Erie Republican who signed on early to support Ms. Gleim�s proposal,
    Rep. Jake Banta, said he believed the state would see better outcomes for students � personally and academically � if they put away cell phones
    during the school day.

    �It is really distracting,� he said. �I don�t think anybody can say it
    isn�t.�

    Mr. Ciresi, the Democrat who heads the Basic Education subcommittee in the House, said he was interested to see how lawmakers would respond to Mr. Aument�s proposal. He was certain parents� communication needs would be
    part of the discussion.

    �That�s the concern he will hear pushback on,� Mr. Ciresi said.

    Ford Turner: [email protected]

    https://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-state/2024/05/06/pennsylvania- legislature-students-cell-phone-education/stories/202405030061

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to social media retards on Thu May 9 18:46:38 2024
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    On 2024-05-09 18:08, social media retards wrote:
    HARRISBURG – As state lawmakers appear close to passing a bill to effectively take cell phones out of the hands of drivers, talk is
    increasing about taking cell phones out of the hands of students during school.

    In all schools where this has been done, it has (after a couple weeks)
    proven to be nothing but positive.

    Parents can still call the school in an emergency to get in contact with
    their whelp.

    Grades go up.

    Happiness goes up.

    Trolling goes down.

    Recent WaPo story:
    https://wapo.st/3ykksW1

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  • From Vinny@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Thu May 9 16:54:53 2024
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    On 5/9/2024 3:46 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2024-05-09 18:08, social media retards wrote:
    HARRISBURG – As state lawmakers appear close to passing a bill to
    effectively take cell phones out of the hands of drivers, talk is
    increasing about taking cell phones out of the hands of students during
    school.

    In all schools where this has been done, it has (after a couple weeks)
    proven to be nothing but positive.

    Parents can still call the school in an emergency to get in contact with their whelp.

    Grades go up.

    Happiness goes up.

    Trolling goes down.

    Recent WaPo story:
    https://wapo.st/3ykksW1

    Absolutely. Kids get to focus on being kids again. There is nothing
    greater than being a kid growing up without having to deal with
    unnecessary social constructs.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Thu May 9 18:43:26 2024
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    Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2024-05-09 18:08, social media retards wrote:
    HARRISBURG – As state lawmakers appear close to passing a bill to
    effectively take cell phones out of the hands of drivers, talk is
    increasing about taking cell phones out of the hands of students during
    school.

    In all schools where this has been done, it has (after a couple weeks)
    proven to be nothing but positive.

    Parents can still call the school in an emergency to get in contact with their whelp.

    Grades go up.

    Happiness goes up.

    Trolling goes down.

    Recent WaPo story:
    https://wapo.st/3ykksW1


    Naturally. Who can learn anything when their full attention is focused on a damn telephone?

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to social media retards on Fri May 10 07:37:50 2024
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    "social media retards" <[email protected]s> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    But it's not the logistics that may trigger an uproar. It's the mere
    notion of school students being without access to their phones.

    Well crap, I can see how that would be a problem since students didn't have access to their phones for most of human history.

    Even after phones were invented for a long time, if you need to talk to your child, you either went to the school to do so, or you called the office to
    ask them to pass on a message, or to bring their child to the office to take the call.

    A no phone policy... seems reasonable to me. there is absolutely no reason
    they would need their phones during a normal school day.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Scout on Fri May 10 15:52:04 2024
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    On 2024-05-10 07:37, Scout wrote:


    "social media retards" <[email protected]s> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    But it's not the logistics that may trigger an uproar. It's the mere
    notion of school students being without access to their phones.

    Well crap, I can see how that would be a problem since students didn't
    have access to their phones for most of human history.

    Even after phones were invented for a long time, if you need to talk to
    your child, you either went to the school to do so, or you called the
    office to ask them to pass on a message, or to bring their child to the office to take the call.<s>

    Violent agreement here.

    Even when I was a kid in grades 1 - 6, a call to the school could be
    routed onto the intercom to the class where I was. 1970-ish.

    The school could reach my mother at home (if she wasn't out) or my
    father at work (if he wasn't traveling).

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sat May 11 07:54:25 2024
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    On 10.05.24 00:46, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2024-05-09 18:08, social media retards wrote:
    HARRISBURG – As state lawmakers appear close to passing a bill to
    effectively take cell phones out of the hands of drivers, talk is
    increasing about taking cell phones out of the hands of students during
    school.

    In all schools where this has been done, it has (after a couple weeks)
    proven to be nothing but positive.

    Parents can still call the school in an emergency to get in contact with their whelp.

    France has already made positive experiences by banning mobiles during
    school hours. Very recent studies here in Europe confirm the positive
    effects on the mental health of adolescents.

    Grades go up.

    Happiness goes up.

    Trolling goes down.

    SIC.


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexledsom/2019/08/30/the-mobile-phone-ban-in-french-schools-one-year-on-would-it-work-elsewhere/

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  • From Danart@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 16 23:33:12 2024
    Alan Browne wrote:
    Trust me this is stupid. It would not bann them from using the
    phones, they would still have hours in which phone use would be
    acceptable. Honestly when I was in highschool and phones was being
    introduced it was not a big deal. It only became a big deal in the
    years afterwards. In fact there was a march for students having rights
    to there phones ( because they were being treated as toys ). So insane
    that cops ( being racist idiots ) was arresting and harassing the most
    tallest and darkest students in the march.

    A better idea would be to bann "smart phones" and just
    force students to use monochrome phones with cameras on them. The
    phones could still take pictures and videos but would only be in full
    color if played back on a computer and the display would be a turn off
    for everybody to use. I see tons of students ( mostly girls ) who
    parents have teamed up to only give these ladies the monochrome phone
    with them huddling around the one girl with a regular smart-phone.

    Honestly I have been using the same phone for more then twenty
    years, only updating to another out-dated phone because problems arise
    in later years.

    That being said smart phones ( with cameras and video ) have
    recorded teachers being drunk, to abusive parents, and so much more,
    saving many from abusive parents and teachers. Even witnessing of
    criminal activities like theft, gang related, or even police
    misconduct. I have seen minors "stand there ground" lawfully
    showing how officers break laws, and even protect themselves by
    knowing the law.


    In all schools where this has been done, it has (after a couple
    weeks)
    proven to be nothing but positive.

    Parents can still call the school in an emergency to get in contact
    with
    their whelp.

    Grades go up.

    Happiness goes up.

    Trolling goes down.

    Recent WaPo story:
    https://wapo.st/3ykksW1

    --
    "Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first;
    nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes
    first."
    - Charles de Gaulle.


    This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=665076406#665076406

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