• Are iPhones subject to ransomware attacks?

    From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 15 19:11:11 2024
    A neighbor asked me for help with an iMac that had fallen victim to
    a ransmomware attack ("this computer has been locked, call the number below....").

    I'm left wondering if iPhones are subject to similar attacks, since
    they offer most of the services found on desktop computers including
    browsers. The subject computer was reasonably up-to-date and only a
    couple years old. The hijack was during an attempt to connect to
    MapQuest using the Safari browser. The screen seemed locked and I
    didn't know how to recover control. Is there a force-restart- to-
    safe-mode for iOS or MacOS?

    Are iPhones subject to similar attacks? If not, why?

    Thanks for reading, and apologies if this is a dumb question!

    bob prohaska

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  • From Sten deJoode@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Mar 15 15:44:34 2024
    On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 19:11:11 -0000 (UTC), [email protected] wrote:

    Are iPhones subject to similar attacks?

    To own an iPhone is to already be hacked and probably also exploited. Especially if you're not on the single one release Apple fully supports.
    https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases

    The iPhone iOS is the most exploited smartphone operating system, so if any
    of those many exploits in the wild happen to be ransomware, then... yes.
    https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

    Over the past few years, Apple has been notified of one or two zero-day
    bugs every month in the iPhone iOS (and to the macOS but this is about
    iPhones) so in addition, being the smartphone with the most zero-day holes,
    if one of those are ransomware... then yes to that also - but the exploits
    are more significant since those holes in iOS have to be exploited first.
    https://www.securityweek.com/apple-warns-of-newly-exploited-ios-17-kernel-zero-day/

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Mar 16 10:28:58 2024
    On 2024-03-15 19:11:11 +0000, <[email protected]> said:

    A neighbor asked me for help with an iMac that had fallen victim to
    a ransmomware attack ("this computer has been locked, call the number below....").

    I'm left wondering if iPhones are subject to similar attacks, since
    they offer most of the services found on desktop computers including browsers. The subject computer was reasonably up-to-date and only a
    couple years old. The hijack was during an attempt to connect to
    MapQuest using the Safari browser. The screen seemed locked and I
    didn't know how to recover control. Is there a force-restart- to-
    safe-mode for iOS or MacOS?

    For most Mac models these days just holding the power button down for a
    few seconds will force it to shutdown.

    Right/control-clicking on the app's Dock icon or pressing
    Command-Option-Esc will allow you to force quit an individual crashed
    app that is no longer repsonding.



    Are iPhones subject to similar attacks? If not, why?

    Thanks for reading, and apologies if this is a dumb question!

    bob prohaska

    Ransomware and malware in general is extremely unlikely on MacOS or
    iPhone / iPad unless you purposely do something incredibly stupid. It's
    almsot certainly not going to happen by simply going to a legitimate
    website like MapQuest in a web browser. More likely it was just a fake
    advert pretending to be ransomware and it caused Safari to crash and
    stop repsonding.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Sten deJoode on Fri Mar 15 22:19:56 2024
    On 2024-03-15, Sten deJoode <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 19:11:11 -0000 (UTC), [email protected] wrote:

    Are iPhones subject to similar attacks?

    To own an iPhone is to already be hacked and probably also exploited.

    "Sten" is a well-known troll here and is spreading FUD. You can safely
    ignore anything they say on the matter. Their intent is to mislead and disparage Apple users.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Mar 15 22:18:48 2024
    On 2024-03-15, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote:

    A neighbor asked me for help with an iMac that had fallen victim to
    a ransmomware attack ("this computer has been locked, call the number below....").

    To be successfully attacked by malware, a Mac user must interactively
    download the malware to their computer, interactively launch it from
    their ~/Downloads folder, and interactively enter administrator
    credentials when prompted. If your neighbor didn't do all of that, then
    they probably aren't actually infected. A website displaying a message
    saying your are infected doesn't mean you actually are - it's more
    likely just an ad pop-up message trying to trick you into downloading
    some piece of software that actually *is* malware - a very common thing
    on shady websites.

    Your neighbor probably isn't running an ad blocker (like 1Blocker, or AdGuard) which would have prevented them from seeing this scam while visiting the offending website in the first place.

    To verify there is no malware installed, have them download MalwareBytes
    (the free version is all they need) and run it. It will tell them if it
    finds anything nefarious installed.

    They should also learn from this experience and change their behavior accordingly:

    As long as you use *safe computing practices*, you really don't need to
    worry much about Mac malware. Here are some common sense safe computing practices everyone should follow:

    - always install security updates in a timely manner after they are
    released

    - always run an ad blocker (like 1Blocker, AdGuard, or AdBlock Plus) in
    your web browser so that you won't see distracting advertising as well
    as unsolicited pop-up windows that claim you are somehow "infected” or
    "missing some video software" and therefore need to download and
    install some piece of untrusted software on your computer to fix some
    supposed "problem” they supposedly "detected" - and if you do still
    see these, don't fall for them as they are obvious scams

    - always refrain from downloading and installing software from untrusted
    sources - instead go directly to the software maker's website or to
    the official App Store

    I'm left wondering if iPhones are subject to similar attacks, since
    they offer most of the services found on desktop computers including browsers.

    You are nowhere near as likely to fall victim to such malware on iPhones
    due to the enhanced security protections on them. While a Mac is
    considered a general computing device, an iPhone is much more locked
    down due to it being more of an appliance.

    As such, all apps on iOS devices are sandboxed which means they cannot
    access the file system outside of their own app sandbox, or data in
    other apps, or system data, or even things like the camera or microphone without getting explicit permission from the operating system and the
    owner of the device.

    This means there is no way for a so-called antivirus program to scan for malware. It also means there is no way for malware to access other apps
    or the system. And that means there is no need for antivirus utilities
    in the first place. So-called “antivirus” and “security” apps for iPhone
    don’t actually scan the device for malware — instead, they try to
    convince you to purchase additional and unrelated software and services
    like VPNs. It’s best to avoid these apps, as they are essentially
    worthless.

    The subject computer was reasonably up-to-date and only a couple years
    old. The hijack was during an attempt to connect to MapQuest using the
    Safari browser.

    What your neighbor saw was probably just a nefarious "ad" displayed by
    the website. That "ad" was trying to trick them into downloading
    malware. This is very common, and an ad blocker will remove such
    annoyances.

    The screen seemed locked and I didn't know how to recover control.

    It was probably just a web browser window that was full screen. Force
    quitting the browser would fix that situation.

    And certainly force shutting down the computer by holding down the power
    button for 10 seconds would do the trick.

    Thanks for reading, and apologies if this is a dumb question!

    Nah!

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  • From Chris Schram@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Fri Mar 15 23:01:12 2024
    On 15 Mar 2024 22:18:48 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    On 2024-03-15, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote:

    A neighbor asked me for help with an iMac that had fallen victim to a
    ransmomware attack ("this computer has been locked, call the number
    below....").

    To be successfully attacked by malware, a Mac user must interactively download the malware to their computer, interactively launch it from
    their ~/Downloads folder, and interactively enter administrator
    credentials when prompted. If your neighbor didn't do all of that, then
    they probably aren't actually infected. A website displaying a message
    saying your are infected doesn't mean you actually are - it's more
    likely just an ad pop-up message trying to trick you into downloading
    some piece of software that actually *is* malware - a very common thing
    on shady websites.

    Your neighbor probably isn't running an ad blocker (like 1Blocker, or AdGuard) which would have prevented them from seeing this scam while
    visiting the offending website in the first place.

    To verify there is no malware installed, have them download MalwareBytes
    (the free version is all they need) and run it. It will tell them if it
    finds anything nefarious installed.

    They should also learn from this experience and change their behavior accordingly:

    As long as you use *safe computing practices*, you really don't need to
    worry much about Mac malware. Here are some common sense safe computing practices everyone should follow:

    - always install security updates in a timely manner after they are
    released

    - always run an ad blocker (like 1Blocker, AdGuard, or AdBlock Plus) in
    your web browser so that you won't see distracting advertising as well
    as unsolicited pop-up windows that claim you are somehow "infected” or
    "missing some video software" and therefore need to download and
    install some piece of untrusted software on your computer to fix some
    supposed "problem” they supposedly "detected" - and if you do still
    see these, don't fall for them as they are obvious scams

    - always refrain from downloading and installing software from untrusted
    sources - instead go directly to the software maker's website or to
    the official App Store

    I'm left wondering if iPhones are subject to similar attacks, since
    they offer most of the services found on desktop computers including
    browsers.

    You are nowhere near as likely to fall victim to such malware on iPhones
    due to the enhanced security protections on them. While a Mac is
    considered a general computing device, an iPhone is much more locked
    down due to it being more of an appliance.

    As such, all apps on iOS devices are sandboxed which means they cannot
    access the file system outside of their own app sandbox, or data in
    other apps, or system data, or even things like the camera or microphone without getting explicit permission from the operating system and the
    owner of the device.

    This means there is no way for a so-called antivirus program to scan for malware. It also means there is no way for malware to access other apps
    or the system. And that means there is no need for antivirus utilities
    in the first place. So-called “antivirus” and “security” apps for iPhone
    don’t actually scan the device for malware — instead, they try to convince you to purchase additional and unrelated software and services
    like VPNs. It’s best to avoid these apps, as they are essentially worthless.

    The subject computer was reasonably up-to-date and only a couple years
    old. The hijack was during an attempt to connect to MapQuest using the
    Safari browser.

    What your neighbor saw was probably just a nefarious "ad" displayed by
    the website. That "ad" was trying to trick them into downloading
    malware. This is very common, and an ad blocker will remove such
    annoyances.

    The screen seemed locked and I didn't know how to recover control.

    It was probably just a web browser window that was full screen. Force quitting the browser would fix that situation.

    And certainly force shutting down the computer by holding down the power button for 10 seconds would do the trick.

    Thanks for reading, and apologies if this is a dumb question!

    Nah!

    Good advice JR. Normally I would highlight only the parts I wish to
    comment on, but I choose in this case to leave your piece intact.

    Apparently site owners have only limited control over the ads that get displayed. Not many years ago I started seeing spammy and malware-ish ads showing up on tidbits.com. I emailed the owner <[email protected]> and told
    him of the problem. He apologized profusely, and said there were a few adjustments he could make to alleviate this problem. Alleviate, not
    eliminate.

    All it takes is a little piece of rogue JavaScript inserted into an ad

    ACE's income comes solely via memberships and sponsorship. I became a
    member of tidbits.com years ago, so it runs ad-free for me. I _DO_ use an
    ad blocker for most sites I visit, and if the site complains about that, I either move on or allow ads [temporarily]. Also, some site complain about
    ad blockers, but don't have a mechanism to enforce.


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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sat Mar 16 00:05:59 2024
    Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:

    Your neighbor probably isn't running an ad blocker (like 1Blocker, or AdGuard)
    which would have prevented them from seeing this scam while visiting the offending website in the first place.


    The page displayed appeared to block mouse access to the Apple system menus.
    I didn't explore very aggressively, however. If called again to help I'll
    be more inquisitive.

    Is uBlockOrigin considered acceptable on Mac OSX?

    [Much good advice snipped]

    The user in question is at the ragged edge of utter frustration. Offering
    a "to-do list" is likely to make matters worse, especially at the moment.

    Hopefully they'll take the problem to a genuine expert.....

    Thanks for writing,

    bob prohaska

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Chris Schram on Sat Mar 16 01:50:22 2024
    On 2024-03-15, Chris Schram <[email protected]> wrote:

    Good advice JR. Normally I would highlight only the parts I wish to
    comment on, but I choose in this case to leave your piece intact.

    Apparently site owners have only limited control over the ads that get displayed. Not many years ago I started seeing spammy and malware-ish
    ads showing up on tidbits.com. I emailed the owner <[email protected]>
    and told him of the problem. He apologized profusely, and said there
    were a few adjustments he could make to alleviate this problem.
    Alleviate, not eliminate.

    Spot on. Do a web search for "google adsense malware" and you find many examples where Google's advertising networks are used to spread malware
    to unsuspecting victims on countless websites that use Google's
    advertising network. Ad network operators simply can't guarantee that
    their networks won't be used for nefarious purposes. The FBI and other governmental organizations recommend that everyone use an ad blocker for
    that reason:

    <https://www.pcmag.com/news/fbi-recommends-installing-an-ad-blocker-to-dodge-scammers>

    I refuse to browse the web without one, and I always recommend people use
    them - on any platform

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Mar 16 01:53:32 2024
    On 2024-03-16, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote:
    Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:

    Your neighbor probably isn't running an ad blocker (like 1Blocker, or
    AdGuard) which would have prevented them from seeing this scam while
    visiting the offending website in the first place.

    The page displayed appeared to block mouse access to the Apple system
    menus.

    For future reference, you can force quit any app on macOS by pressing Command-Option-Escape. 😉

    I didn't explore very aggressively, however. If called again to help I'll
    be more inquisitive.

    Is uBlockOrigin considered acceptable on Mac OSX?

    Sure, but 1Blocker or AdBlock are simpler to set up and use, and work
    with the macOS default web browser, Safari.

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  • From Sten deJoode@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sat Mar 16 08:59:41 2024
    On 15 Mar 2024 22:19:56 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    is spreading FUD

    Heh heh heh... Jolly Roger calls all facts about APPLE to be FUD.

    I had provided three reliable cites containing facts you don't like, JR.

    1. *Apple only fully supports a single iOS release.*
    <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>

    2. *iOS has ten times the exploits that Android has.*
    <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

    3. *iOS has twice to three times the zero-day holes that Android has.*
    < https://www.securityweek.com/apple-warns-of-newly-exploited-ios-17-kernel-zero-day/>

    The fact you hate facts doesn't change the fact that they're still facts.

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  • From Sten deJoode@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sat Mar 16 09:03:56 2024
    On 15 Mar 2024 22:18:48 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    To be successfully attacked by malware, a Mac user must interactively download the malware to their computer

    That's dead wrong.

    There have been *plenty* of zero-day zero-click no-interaction holes in
    Apple's operating systems, Jolly Roger, where the user does nothing at all.

    Most of them appear to be in Apple's defective kernel & webkit though.

    But you can see the _exploited_ ones in this listing if you like:
    <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

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  • From Sten deJoode@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sat Mar 16 09:09:56 2024
    On 16 Mar 2024 01:50:22 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    The FBI and other
    governmental organizations recommend that everyone use an ad blocker for
    that reason:

    In addition to Jolly Roger's helpful advice, the iPhone pioneered the use
    of easy setup of encrypted DNS (also called Private DNS), many of which do
    ad blocking on the side.

    https://www.macobserver.com/tips/deep-dive/5-private-dns-services/

    Firefox/Chrome name = Google (encrypted, not ad blocking)
    dns.google 8.8.4.4
    dns.google 8.8.8.8
    dns.google 2001:4860:4860::8888
    dns.google 2001:4860:4860::8844

    Firefox/Chrome name = Cloudflare
    one.one.one.one 1.1.1.1
    one.one.one.one 1.0.0.1
    one.one.one.one 2606:4700:4700::1111
    one.one.one.one 2606:4700:4700::1001

    Firefox/Chrome name = Cloudflare
    https://developers.cloudflare.com/1.1.1.
    1dot1dot1dot1.cloudflare-dns.com 1.0.0.1
    1dot1dot1dot1.cloudflare-dns.com 1.1.1.1
    1dot1dot1dot1.cloudflare-dns.com 2606:4700:4700::1111
    1dot1dot1dot1.cloudflare-dns.com 2606:4700:4700::1001

    Firefox/Chrome name = Mullvad (encrypted + ad blocking)
    https://mullvad.net/en/help/dns-over-https-and-dns-over-tls
    adblock.dns.mullvad.net 194.242.2.3
    adblock.dns.mullvad.net 2a07:e340::3
    dns.mullvad.net 194.242.2.2
    dns.mullvad.net 2a07:e340::2

    Firefox/Chrome name = Adguard (encrypted + ad blocking)
    https://adguard-dns.io/en/welcome.html
    dns.adguard.com 94.140.14.14
    dns.adguard.com 94.140.15.15
    dns.adguard.com 2a10:50c0::ad1:ff
    dns.adguard.com 2a10:50c0::ad2:ff

    Firefox/Chrome name = Quad9
    https://quad9.net/
    dns.quad9.net 149.112.112.112
    dns.quad9.net 9.9.9.9
    dns.quad9.net 2620:fe::fe
    dns.quad9.net 2620:fe::9

    Firefox/Chrome name = Controld (encrypted + ad blocking)
    https://controld.com/free-dns
    p2.freedns.controld.com 76.76.2.11
    p2.freedns.controld.com 2606:1a40::11

    Firefox/Chrome name = Cleanbrowsing (encrypted + ad blocking)
    https://cleanbrowsing.org
    dns.cleanbrowsing.org 185.228.168.168
    dns.cleanbrowsing.org 185.228.168.10
    family-filter-dns.cleanbrowsing.org 185.228.168.168
    adult-filter-dns.cleanbrowsing.org 185.228.168.10
    security-filter-dns.cleanbrowsing.org 185.228.168.9

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Sten deJoode on Sat Mar 16 15:35:32 2024
    On 2024-03-16, Sten deJoode <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 15 Mar 2024 22:18:48 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    To be successfully attacked by malware, a Mac user must interactively
    download the malware to their computer

    That's dead wrong.

    Nope, it's correct.

    There have been *plenty* of zero-day zero-click no-interaction holes
    in Apple's operating systems

    There have been plenty of zero days in *all* operating systems, "Sten"
    (Arlen), yet you constantly ignore everything but Apple zero days,
    because: troll. Also, the overwhelming majority of zero days are
    discovered by security researchers in labs rather than in the wild, and
    they are more often than not patched in the latest OS release. So
    keeping your devices up to date (one of the safe computing best
    practices I mentioned) is the best defense against them.

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