On 2024-02-21, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <[email protected]>, Jolly Roger
<[email protected]> wrote:

A quick search of the App Store shows plenty.

Yes, there are several or many GPS loggers. I installed a shiny app,
logged a trail and found coordinates couldn't be uploaded without a
payment.

Shiny won't help; I need a simple and functional app without payment.

Counterpoint: If an app is useful to you, you shouldn't mind supporting
the developer of the app. And if you purchased a smartphone with the
intention of never buying a single app, you probably should have stuck
with Android.

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In article <[email protected]>, Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:

A quick search of the App Store shows plenty.

Yes, there are several or many GPS loggers. I installed a shiny app,
logged a trail and found coordinates couldn't be uploaded without a
payment.

Shiny won't help; I need a simple and functional app without payment.
Hoping that someone can recommend based upon first-hand experience.

Thanks, ... P.

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On 21 Feb 2024 12:38:37 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

I need a simple and functional app without payment.

A search on iOS should be able to find the app that _you_ want
(and not just apps that make money for Apple and any given developer).

A sort works for YOU.
Not for Apple.

Therefore, you should be able to sort on iOS just like you do on Android. https://i.postimg.cc/q7zvZYfc/gpslogger.jpg

In Android, when you search for any given keywords, you are able to use
regular expressions, but my example simply used a direct sort of
"gps logger" (there are all sorts of regular expressions allowed!)

Doesn't iOS have that regular expression sort feature for their App Store?

In addition, for Android, you can choose to sort on multiple repositories.
But more to the sort for iOS, in Android you can set the filters and the
sort criteria to be far more efficient in selecting the best app for you. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=scadica.aq

A typical Android sort takes into account hundreds of possible filters,
but the 30 most-often used filters for seeking & sorting are these 30:
1. No ads (or No ads/removable ads)
2. Free
3. No in-app purchases
4. User rating (where you can set the limit range)
5. Number of ratings (where you can set the limit range)

If you know you're going to purchase an app, you can check if it's on sale
6. On sale

Or if you're willing to accept in-app purchases, you can check that box
7. Has in-app purchases

And if you are using Play Pass, you can check if that is applicable too
8. Play Pass
9. Play Store installable

There are a few more basic but rather useful switches such as
10. Default exclusions
11. Number of downloads (where you can set the limit range)
12. Recent downloads/month (where you can set the limit range)
13. Price range (where you can set the limit range)
l4. In-app price range (where you can set the limit range)
15. Date updated (where you can set the limit range)
16. Date released (where you can set the limit range)
17. Content rating (where you can set the limit range)
18. Download size (where you can set the limit range)
19. Required Android (where you can set the limit range)
20. Target API (where you can set the limit range)
21. Extended filter ranges (where you can set the limit range)

From those filters, you can then select your sort criteria such as
22. Sort by Relevance
23. Average user rating
24. Number of ratings
25. Number of downloads
26. Recent downloads/month
27. Downloads/month increase %
28. Date released
29. Date updated
30. Download size

There are hundreds more (due to the use of regular expressions),
and due to the ability to spoof your API and to spoof your hardware,
and to spoof your gps location for the regionally restricted apps,
but one question to ask the OP is why not use an equivalent search
for the iOS app that the OP is looking to install?

How many of just those basic 30 things does the iOS sort allow you?

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On 2024-02-21, Sten deJoode <[email protected]> wrote:

On 21 Feb 2024 12:38:37 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

I need a simple and functional app without payment.

[reams of "iOS is inferior, y'all" text omitted]

Yes, Arlen. We get it. You have a huge grudge against Apple and have no
helpful answer for the OP.

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On 2024-02-22, Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:45:54 +1100, Jolly Roger <[email protected]>
wrote:

On 2024-02-21, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <[email protected]>, Jolly Roger
<[email protected]> wrote:

A quick search of the App Store shows plenty.

Yes, there are several or many GPS loggers. I installed a shiny
app, logged a trail and found coordinates couldn't be uploaded
without a payment.

Shiny won't help; I need a simple and functional app without
payment.

Counterpoint: If an app is useful to you, you shouldn't mind
supporting the developer of the app.

But it makes sense to use one that does what you want for free if you
can find one that does.

It also makes sense to pay for one that does it better or does more than
a free one.

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On 21. Feb 2024 at 20:38:37 CET, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:

Yes, there are several or many GPS loggers. I installed a shiny app,
logged a trail and found coordinates couldn't be uploaded without a
payment.

Shiny won't help; I need a simple and functional app without payment.
Hoping that someone can recommend based upon first-hand experience.

Try GPX Tracker.

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On 2024-02-22, Chris <[email protected]> wrote:

Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:

On 2024-02-21, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <[email protected]>, Jolly Roger
<[email protected]> wrote:

A quick search of the App Store shows plenty.

Yes, there are several or many GPS loggers. I installed a shiny
app, logged a trail and found coordinates couldn't be uploaded
without a payment.

Shiny won't help; I need a simple and functional app without
payment.

Counterpoint: If an app is useful to you, you shouldn't mind
supporting the developer of the app.

Surely you are aware that free apps can be profitable for developers,
right?

Of course, and typically those apps are plastered with ads. But if a
developer chooses not to put ads in their app, and someone finds their
app useful, they deserve to be paid for their hard work.

And if you purchased a smartphone with the intention of never buying
a single app, you probably should have stuck with Android.

Are you really that dumb?

Nothing dumb about it. For most normal human beings who own a $800
smartphone, if there are no free apps that do what they want but there
is a $5 app that does, spending $5 isn't generally an issue.

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On 22 Feb 2024 00:21:13 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

You have a huge grudge

You have the grudge. I simply told the truth about iOS.

From your hate filled response, it seems you hate that the walled garden
has, yet again, turned the iOS device into nothing more than a useless dumb terminal that can't even search for & filter for the best apps, which every other platform easily does - except iOS.

It's yet another of the thousands of things the iOS dumb terminal can't do. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=scadica.aq

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On 22 Feb 2024 15:49:28 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

Surely you are aware that free apps can be profitable for developers,
right?

Of course, and typically those apps are plastered with ads.

Jolly Roger is dead wrong.
*There are no ads in free apps*






(if you use a smart search engine such as this smart search engine) https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=scadica.aq

Oh wait.... there are no smart search engines in the iOS walled garden.
It's yet another of the thousands of things the iOS dumb terminal can't do.

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On 2024-02-22, Sten deJoode <[email protected]> wrote:

On 22 Feb 2024 15:49:28 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

Surely you are aware that free apps can be profitable for
developers, right?

Of course, and typically those apps are plastered with ads.

Jolly Roger is dead wrong.

Nope, it's true.

*There are no ads in free apps*

You're an idiot, Arlen. 🤣

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On 2024-02-22 08:00, Sten deJoode wrote:

On 22 Feb 2024 15:49:28 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

Surely you are aware that free apps can be profitable for developers,
right?

Of course, and typically those apps are plastered with ads.

Jolly Roger is dead wrong.
*There are no ads in free apps*

*Were you high when you wrote that? ...

...Arlen?*

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On 2024-02-22, Chris <[email protected]> wrote:

On 22/02/2024 15:49, Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2024-02-22, Chris <[email protected]> wrote:

Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:

On 2024-02-21, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <[email protected]>, Jolly Roger
<[email protected]> wrote:

A quick search of the App Store shows plenty.

Yes, there are several or many GPS loggers. I installed a shiny
app, logged a trail and found coordinates couldn't be uploaded
without a payment.

Shiny won't help; I need a simple and functional app without
payment.

Counterpoint: If an app is useful to you, you shouldn't mind
supporting the developer of the app.

Surely you are aware that free apps can be profitable for
developers, right?

Of course, and typically those apps are plastered with ads. But if a
developer chooses not to put ads in their app, and someone finds
their app useful, they deserve to be paid for their hard work.

If the developer isn't happy with the freemuim model, they shouldn't
use it.

And if you purchased a smartphone with the intention of never
buying a single app, you probably should have stuck with Android.

Are you really that dumb?

Nothing dumb about it. For most normal human beings who own a $800
smartphone, if there are no free apps that do what they want but
there is a $5 app that does, spending $5 isn't generally an issue.

Buying a phone and paying for apps are two different transactions.

Wow, we learn something new every day! Thanks! /s

You can buy a cheap android and then spend hundreds on apps or
alternatively spend hundreds on a phone and not pay for any apps. Both options and everything in between are fine.

That doesn't contradict anything I've said.

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On 2024-02-22, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:

On 2024-02-22 08:00, Sten deJoode wrote:

On 22 Feb 2024 15:49:28 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

Surely you are aware that free apps can be profitable for
developers, right?

Of course, and typically those apps are plastered with ads.

Jolly Roger is dead wrong. *There are no ads in free apps*

*Were you high when you wrote that? ...

...Arlen?*

He's losing touch with reality.

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On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:18:07 +0000, Chris wrote:

Buying a phone and paying for apps are two different transactions. You
can buy a cheap android and then spend hundreds on apps or alternatively spend hundreds on a phone and not pay for any apps. Both options and everything in between are fine.

Is there ever a useful app functionality that you and most people want that
you can't find an app for it that is both free and without advertisements?

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On 2024-02-22 16:22, Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2024-02-22, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:

On 2024-02-22 08:00, Sten deJoode wrote:

On 22 Feb 2024 15:49:28 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

Surely you are aware that free apps can be profitable for
developers, right?

Of course, and typically those apps are plastered with ads.

Jolly Roger is dead wrong. *There are no ads in free apps*

*Were you high when you wrote that? ...

...Arlen?*

He's losing touch with reality.

Has reality ever touched it?[1]

[1] Please note that this is a rhetorical question and does not need a
reply.

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On 2024-02-22 20:12, Mickey D wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:18:07 +0000, Chris wrote:

Buying a phone and paying for apps are two different transactions. You
can buy a cheap android and then spend hundreds on apps or alternatively
spend hundreds on a phone and not pay for any apps. Both options and
everything in between are fine.

Is there ever a useful app functionality that you and most people want that you can't find an app for it that is both free and without advertisements?

Like many things in life, the things most useful to you will cost you
one way or another.

If one designs and polishes an app to the point that demand is high,
there is no way there is anything wrong with compensation and profit
from it.

That said I have dozens of apps (iPhone, Mac, iPad, Windows, Linux),
etc. that were free to acquire and free to run and I use them frequently.

To my shock my old VueScan license still works 20+ years after acquiring
it 2 Macs ago. I paid around US$50 at the time (I don't recall exactly)
for the pro version. I used this with various scanners from Minolta and
Nikon as well as flatbeds to numerous to ... er, enumerate.

US$120 ish (Pro) US$50 standard version; basic $20 or so.

For all of you with aging scanner/printers, I urge you to get a VueScan license. The product is very good and the ongoing support for new and
old scanners is incessant.

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On 2024-02-23, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:

On 2024-02-22 20:12, Mickey D wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:18:07 +0000, Chris wrote:

Buying a phone and paying for apps are two different transactions.
You can buy a cheap android and then spend hundreds on apps or
alternatively spend hundreds on a phone and not pay for any apps.
Both options and everything in between are fine.

Is there ever a useful app functionality that you and most people
want that you can't find an app for it that is both free and without
advertisements?

Like many things in life, the things most useful to you will cost you
one way or another.

If one designs and polishes an app to the point that demand is high,
there is no way there is anything wrong with compensation and profit
from it.

That said I have dozens of apps (iPhone, Mac, iPad, Windows, Linux),
etc. that were free to acquire and free to run and I use them
frequently.

To my shock my old VueScan license still works 20+ years after
acquiring it 2 Macs ago. I paid around US$50 at the time (I don't
recall exactly) for the pro version. I used this with various
scanners from Minolta and Nikon as well as flatbeds to numerous to ...
er, enumerate.

US$120 ish (Pro) US$50 standard version; basic $20 or so.

For all of you with aging scanner/printers, I urge you to get a
VueScan license. The product is very good and the ongoing support for
new and old scanners is incessant.

VueScan is indeed terrific!

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On 2024-02-23, Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote:

On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 05:13:47 +1100, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:

On 2024-02-22 20:12, Mickey D wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:18:07 +0000, Chris wrote:

Buying a phone and paying for apps are two different transactions.
You can buy a cheap android and then spend hundreds on apps or
alternatively spend hundreds on a phone and not pay for any apps.
Both options and everything in between are fine.

Is there ever a useful app functionality that you and most people
want that you can't find an app for it that is both free and
without advertisements?

Like many things in life, the things most useful to you will cost you
one way or another.

That isnt true of google or facebook ot tiktok

He said "*most* useful", not "*least* useful".

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On 2024-02-23, Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote:

On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 09:50:43 +1100, Jolly Roger <[email protected]>
wrote:

On 2024-02-23, Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote:

On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 05:13:47 +1100, Alan Browne
<[email protected]>
wrote:

On 2024-02-22 20:12, Mickey D wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:18:07 +0000, Chris wrote:

Buying a phone and paying for apps are two different transactions. >>>>>> You can buy a cheap android and then spend hundreds on apps or
alternatively spend hundreds on a phone and not pay for any apps.
Both options and everything in between are fine.

Is there ever a useful app functionality that you and most people
want that you can't find an app for it that is both free and
without advertisements?

Like many things in life, the things most useful to you will cost you
one way or another.

That isnt true of google or facebook ot tiktok

He said "*most* useful", not "*least* useful".

They are all very useful for me. Google and wikipedia in spades.

That's nice...

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