• Need help on iOS 17 removing the new passcode nag screen

    From Wally J@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 29 07:24:12 2023
    My mom has an iPhone she upgraded this week to iOS 17 and it constantly
    keeps bothering her to add a passcode (which she doesn't want to do).

    The argument she taught me (years ago) was she doesn't have a passcode when
    she turns on a light, watches the TV, opens a jar of peanut butter, or whatever, so why does she need a passcode when she looks at her phone.

    Anyway, she wants this new iOS 17 message to go away, but I'm in a
    different state than she is (heh heh heh) both figuratively and literally,
    in that I updated my iPad to see what it was doing but I can only go as
    high as iOS 16.7.2 (which, interestingly enough, also nags me too).

    I was able to get rid of the request for a passcode but she can't get rid
    of it. Mine still says with a red (1) "Update Apple ID Settings", which if
    I tap it, it says "Some account services require you to sign in again", to which I flip the bird to Apple for constantly forcing mothership tracking.

    But I can live with Apple constantly nagging (forever) for me to repeatedly
    log into Apple's mothership privacy-destroying tracking servers - but she
    is saying it's asking her for the passcode = and that bothers her a lot.

    In summary, how does she get rid of the iOS 17 requirement for a passcode?

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to Wally J on Wed Nov 29 12:41:24 2023
    Wally J wrote:

    My mom has an iPhone she upgraded this week to iOS 17 and it
    constantly keeps bothering her to add a passcode (which she doesn't
    want to do).

    The argument she taught me (years ago) was she doesn't have a
    passcode when she turns on a light, watches the TV, opens a jar of
    peanut butter, or whatever, so why does she need a passcode when she
    looks at her phone.

    Anyway, she wants this new iOS 17 message to go away, but I'm in a
    different state than she is (heh heh heh) both figuratively and
    literally, in that I updated my iPad to see what it was doing but I
    can only go as high as iOS 16.7.2 (which, interestingly enough, also
    nags me too).

    I was able to get rid of the request for a passcode but she can't get
    rid of it. Mine still says with a red (1) "Update Apple ID Settings",
    which if I tap it, it says "Some account services require you to sign
    in again", to which I flip the bird to Apple for constantly forcing >mothership tracking.

    But I can live with Apple constantly nagging (forever) for me to
    repeatedly log into Apple's mothership privacy-destroying tracking
    servers - but she is saying it's asking her for the passcode = and
    that bothers her a lot.

    In summary, how does she get rid of the iOS 17 requirement for a
    passcode?

    Tell her to enable Face ID and she won't need to enter a passcode
    except for occassional times like system updates. Alternatev she could
    go to Settings / Face ID & Passcoe and turn off the Passcode. Maybe
    that will work and maybe it won't.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Wally J on Thu Nov 30 09:15:03 2023
    Wally J wrote:

    My mom has an iPhone she upgraded this week to iOS 17 and it
    constantly keeps bothering her to add a passcode (which she doesn't
    want to do).

    The argument she taught me (years ago) was she doesn't have a
    passcode when she turns on a light, watches the TV, opens a jar of
    peanut butter, or whatever, so why does she need a passcode when she
    looks at her phone.

    Since when does a light, TV, or jar of peanut butter store your
    personal infomation that could be used someone else if the phone is
    stolen or is lost?? If the phone is set-up to connect to your home
    network, then it could also be used to gain access to other things on
    that network.

    Your "Mom" sounds just much of a dumbass as you are ... which is no
    surprise since "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree". :-\

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to Your Name on Wed Nov 29 21:59:53 2023
    Your Name <[email protected]> wrote:
    Wally J wrote:

    My mom has an iPhone she upgraded this week to iOS 17 and it
    constantly keeps bothering her to add a passcode (which she doesn't
    want to do).

    The argument she taught me (years ago) was she doesn't have a
    passcode when she turns on a light, watches the TV, opens a jar of
    peanut butter, or whatever, so why does she need a passcode when she
    looks at her phone.

    Since when does a light, TV, or jar of peanut butter store your
    personal infomation that could be used someone else if the phone is
    stolen or is lost?? If the phone is set-up to connect to your home
    network, then it could also be used to gain access to other things on
    that network.

    Your "Mom" sounds just much of a dumbass as you are ... which is no
    surprise since "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree". :-\



    Wow! Insulting people’s family is stepping over a line. Hopefully you will reconsider and apologize for your misstep.

    The mere fact that Apple provides an option to disable the passcode shows
    even they recognize not everyone wants/needs it.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed Nov 29 14:15:39 2023
    On 2023-11-29 13:59, badgolferman wrote:
    Your Name <[email protected]> wrote:
    Wally J wrote:

    My mom has an iPhone she upgraded this week to iOS 17 and it
    constantly keeps bothering her to add a passcode (which she doesn't
    want to do).

    The argument she taught me (years ago) was she doesn't have a
    passcode when she turns on a light, watches the TV, opens a jar of
    peanut butter, or whatever, so why does she need a passcode when she
    looks at her phone.

    Since when does a light, TV, or jar of peanut butter store your
    personal infomation that could be used someone else if the phone is
    stolen or is lost?? If the phone is set-up to connect to your home
    network, then it could also be used to gain access to other things on
    that network.

    Your "Mom" sounds just much of a dumbass as you are ... which is no
    surprise since "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree". :-\



    Wow! Insulting people’s family is stepping over a line. Hopefully you will reconsider and apologize for your misstep.

    You assume that the "mom" in this example actually exists.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Wally J on Wed Nov 29 19:32:45 2023
    Wally J wrote:
    badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote

    The mere fact that Apple provides an option to disable the passcode shows
    even they recognize not everyone wants/needs it.

    Thanks for helping me out as my mom is not technical so the image you sent was perfect in helping me solve the problem for her phone on iOS 17.


    A good son would buy mom a new android.

    She shouldn't have to piss around with apple stuff.

    Think about it when your check comes.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Wally J on Wed Nov 29 17:26:49 2023
    On 2023-11-29 17:19, Wally J wrote:
    badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote

    The mere fact that Apple provides an option to disable the passcode shows
    even they recognize not everyone wants/needs it.

    Thanks for helping me out as my mom is not technical so the image you sent was perfect in helping me solve the problem for her phone on iOS 17.

    Your helpful image showed Apple allows you to bypass the passcode request.
    <https://ibb.co/cLNGB4J>

    On my iPad (admittedly on iOS 16 and not 17), I was able to skip the
    request to set up a passcode during the initial post-OS-update settings.

    Then I was able to skip the request for 2FV (which, as I recall, once you accept, you can _never_ get rid of it). Apple was sued for this practice.

    Cite, please.


    The only thing you can't ever get rid of is the requirement that you re-log into the Apple servers (which most people don't realize they're doing).

    Which most competent people don't have to do.


    Note: I'm not talking logging in the first time; I'm saying you have to constantly and repeatedly log in again, and again, and again, even though you're always logged in anyway (if you don't believe me, try it yourself).

    I've used an iPhone for more than a decade and it doesn't happen the way
    you talk about.


    In summary, thanks for your help as I didn't see what she saw because I skipped the passcode request at the beginning so my iPad didn't show red.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed Nov 29 21:19:12 2023
    badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote

    The mere fact that Apple provides an option to disable the passcode shows even they recognize not everyone wants/needs it.

    Thanks for helping me out as my mom is not technical so the image you sent
    was perfect in helping me solve the problem for her phone on iOS 17.

    Your helpful image showed Apple allows you to bypass the passcode request.
    <https://ibb.co/cLNGB4J>

    On my iPad (admittedly on iOS 16 and not 17), I was able to skip the
    request to set up a passcode during the initial post-OS-update settings.

    Then I was able to skip the request for 2FV (which, as I recall, once you accept, you can _never_ get rid of it). Apple was sued for this practice.

    The only thing you can't ever get rid of is the requirement that you re-log into the Apple servers (which most people don't realize they're doing).

    Note: I'm not talking logging in the first time; I'm saying you have to constantly and repeatedly log in again, and again, and again, even though you're always logged in anyway (if you don't believe me, try it yourself).

    In summary, thanks for your help as I didn't see what she saw because I
    skipped the passcode request at the beginning so my iPad didn't show red.
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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Thu Nov 30 03:44:25 2023
    Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:
    Wally J wrote:
    badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote

    The mere fact that Apple provides an option to disable the passcode shows >>> even they recognize not everyone wants/needs it.

    Thanks for helping me out as my mom is not technical so the image you sent >> was perfect in helping me solve the problem for her phone on iOS 17.


    A good son would buy mom a new android.

    She shouldn't have to piss around with apple stuff.

    Think about it when your check comes.


    My mother’s 84-year-old husband wanted a Galaxy flip phone last year. Both
    of us tried to talk him out of switching from his iPhone 6 to the new
    Android system. He still doesn’t know how to make a call, retrieve voicemails, send texts, etc. He can only receive messages and answer them
    as they come in. He gets so frustrated with the phone that he slams it on
    the table constantly. At least it’s built for abuse, so I can say that much about it!

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Thu Nov 30 13:14:18 2023
    badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote

    You assume that the "mom" in this example actually exists.


    Doesn't matter. There was no need to call someone's mother a dumb ass.
    You guys are so full of hate for Arlen that you're willing to stoop to teenage tactics to get back at him.

    Hi badgolferman,

    As you saw in this thread, those who assume I'm lying about whom I was
    trying to help think everyone else does that which they themselves do.

    Importantly, as you said, it doesn't matter whom I was trying to help.
    What matters is the correct answer to the question, which I appreciated.
    <https://ibb.co/cLNGB4J>

    Given you get a request to add a passcode when updating or upgrading...
    Q: How do you turn Apple's passcode request off?
    A: Settings > Touch ID & Passcode > Turn Passcode Off (iPad, iOS 16.7.2)
    Settings > Face ID & Passcode > Turn Passcode Off (iPhone iOS 17.1.1)

    And you are correct that Apple provides that option precisely because there
    are millions of iOS owners who want to turn passcodes & touch/face-ID off.

    Thanks for your kind courteous purposefully helpful advice.

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