Device insurance provider Allstate Protection Plans today shared the
results of one of its annual device drop tests, and this time around,
the company broke some of the most expensive smartphones on the market, including the iPhone 15 Pro Max.
Am 10.10.23 um 13:39 schrieb badgolferman:
Device insurance provider Allstate Protection Plans today shared
the results of one of its annual device drop tests, and this time
around, the company broke some of the most expensive smartphones
on the market, including the iPhone 15 Pro Max.
Marketing Stunt of an insurance company. Not more and not less.
It should come as no surprise that it's best not to drop a smartphone
made of glass onto concrete. Apple sells a range of iPhone cases for customers to choose from, plus it offers AppleCare+, covering two
incidents of accidental damage each year for a $29 deductible.
AppleCare+ is a good idea if you plan to go caseless.
https://www.macrumors.com/2023/10/09/iphone-15-breakability-test/
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 10.10.23 um 13:39 schrieb badgolferman:
Device insurance provider Allstate Protection Plans today shared
the results of one of its annual device drop tests, and this time
around, the company broke some of the most expensive smartphones
on the market, including the iPhone 15 Pro Max.
Marketing Stunt of an insurance company. Not more and not less.
Are you implying that iPhones don't break?
On 10/10/2023 6:39 AM, badgolferman wrote:
<snip>
It should come as no surprise that it's best not to drop a
smartphone made of glass onto concrete. Apple sells a range of
iPhone cases for customers to choose from, plus it offers
AppleCare+, covering two incidents of accidental damage each year
for a $29 deductible. AppleCare+ is a good idea if you plan to go >>caseless.
https://www.macrumors.com/2023/10/09/iphone-15-breakability-test/
I suspect that most owners of flagship phones put them into a
protective case before they ever take them out into the world.
Actually, you're better off just using a credit card that provides
cell phone coverage if all you're worried about is screen breakage,
see
<https://www.nerdwallet.com/best/credit-cards/cellphone-insurance>. I
think that the U.S. Bank Visa® Platinum Card is the best option for
this since the deductible is only $25 and you get $1200 worth of
claims every 12 months.
You have to pay your bill with the card which means that on AT&T,
T-Mobile, and Verizon you'll lose some or all of the autopay discount
(the Paypal Key workaround disappeared when Paypal discontinued Key),
but the autopay discount is less than the cost of Apple Care+. Also,
this benefit typically excludes prepaid plans so if you're on
Visible, Metro, Cricket, etc., it doesn't work.
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 10.10.23 um 13:39 schrieb badgolferman:
Device insurance provider Allstate Protection Plans today shared
the results of one of its annual device drop tests, and this time
around, the company broke some of the most expensive smartphones
on the market, including the iPhone 15 Pro Max.
Marketing Stunt of an insurance company. Not more and not less.
Are you implying that iPhones don't break?
And yes, as an aerospace engineer I can easily see your head is in the clouds, or more accurately, the iCloud...
An insurance company wants attention and hopes two get new customers.
Even a standardised single test is 100% meaningless.
The amount of hoopla you jump through isn't worth it to most of us.
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 10.10.23 um 13:39 schrieb badgolferman:
Device insurance provider Allstate Protection Plans today shared
the results of one of its annual device drop tests, and this time
around, the company broke some of the most expensive smartphones
on the market, including the iPhone 15 Pro Max.
Marketing Stunt of an insurance company. Not more and not less.
Are you implying that iPhones don't break?
On 10/10/2023 8:47 AM, badgolferman wrote:
<snip>
The amount of hoopla you jump through isn't worth it to most of us.
Wow, you consider paying your bill with a credit card with phone
protection to be a lot of "hoopla?" Strange.
The credit card cell phone coverage is less expensive, and superior
to, Apple Care+.
Do you also pay for the CDW (Collision Damage Waiver) when you rent a
car, or do you use a credit card that provides primary or secondary
CDW?
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
An insurance company wants attention and hopes two get new customers.
Even a standardised single test is 100% meaningless.
How is this meaningless? They are applying the breakage test to the
most expensive phones available. It shows the fragility of these
phones despite the claim of manufacturers and pundits espousing the
hardening technology of new glass. And for those who must make a
fashion statement by refusing to use cases, at least they will know
their phone isn't brak proof.
And yes, as an aerospace engineer I can easily see your head is in the clouds, or more accurately, the iCloud...
sms wrote:
On 10/10/2023 8:47 AM, badgolferman wrote:
<snip>
The amount of hoopla you jump through isn't worth it to most of us.
Wow, you consider paying your bill with a credit card with phone
protection to be a lot of "hoopla?" Strange.
The credit card cell phone coverage is less expensive, and superior
to, Apple Care+.
Do you also pay for the CDW (Collision Damage Waiver) when you rent a
car, or do you use a credit card that provides primary or secondary
CDW?
You are advocating for opening different credit card accounts to get a coverage which most people don't need. In addition you have advocated
for many complicated schemes regarding MVNOs or how to get a phone for
minor discount. Good for you that you are able and willing to research
these things and constantly switch from one prepaid carrier to another,
but most people won't, especially older people who just want
convenience and service. People aren't going to jump through these
hoops which you are willing to do.
Says the guy who is constantly harping on how much better Android is
because you can research how to use all sorts of things and how
terrible iPhones are because they offer convenience and service
without the need to jump through hoops.
You are advocating for opening different credit card accounts to get a coverage which most people don't need. In addition you have advocated
for many complicated schemes regarding MVNOs or how to get a phone for
minor discount. Good for you that you are able and willing to research
these things and constantly switch from one prepaid carrier to another,
but most people won't, especially older people who just want
convenience and service. People aren't going to jump through these
hoops which you are willing to do.
Alan wrote:
Says the guy who is constantly harping on how much better Android is
because you can research how to use all sorts of things and how
terrible iPhones are because they offer convenience and service
without the need to jump through hoops.
You got the wrong guy. I don't own an android and know nothing about
them. I couldn't even find the voicemail when I tried to help my
stepfather with his Galaxy Flip phone.
Device insurance provider Allstate Protection Plans today shared the
results of one of its annual device drop tests, and this time around,
the company broke some of the most expensive smartphones on the market, including the iPhone 15 Pro Max.
I suspect that most owners of flagship phones put them into a protective
case before they ever take them out into the world.
Actually, you're better off just using a credit card that provides cell
phone coverage if all you're worried about is screen breakage
Marketing Stunt of an insurance company. Not more and not less.
Are you implying that iPhones don't break?
You are advocating for opening different credit card accounts to get a coverage which most people don't need. In addition you have advocated
for many complicated schemes regarding MVNOs or how to get a phone for
minor discount. Good for you that you are able and willing to research
these things and constantly switch from one prepaid carrier to another,
but most people won't, especially older people who just want
convenience and service. People aren't going to jump through these
hoops which you are willing to do.
Says the guy who is constantly harping on how much better Android is >>because you can research how to use all sorts of things and how
terrible iPhones are because they offer convenience and service
without the need to jump through hoops.
You got the wrong guy. I don't own an android and know nothing about
them. I couldn't even find the voicemail when I tried to help my
stepfather with his Galaxy Flip phone.
Each platform has its pros and cons.
I do like the fact that my iPhone,
my iPad Pro, and my Apple Watch all work together seamlessly.
I also
prefer the Apple Maps navigation for local directions in areas that I am
not familiar with.
The Android ecosystem is rougher but there are many
useful things that Android can do that are not possible on iOS because
of the walled garden.
badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote
Marketing Stunt of an insurance company. Not more and not less.
Are you implying that iPhones don't break?
There are two completely different adult concepts involved here...
The first concept is that all the marketing in the world doesn't
change the fact that "glass is glass", and to put glass on the back
is sheer idiocy.
1. "Apple is using a stronger back glass and a "Ceramic Shield"
material for the front, but *glass is glass and it continues to
break*.
The second adult concept is that the cost of these insurance plans has
to be weighed against the fact that a phone is a cheap commodity.
2. You only insure that which you can't easily replace as insurance is
designed as a money-making business - where they win - and you
lose.
How much is this "AppleCare" plan per year, badgolferman?
I have only the Costco VISA. I use it for everything. Simple as it is.
Wally J wrote:
How much is this "AppleCare" plan per year, badgolferman?
I don't know since I don't have it.
It's $149 per year for the newer iPhones.
It's $149 per year for the newer iPhones.
No, it's $199 for *2 years* of coverage, and less for older models:
How much is this "AppleCare" plan per year, badgolferman?
I don't know since I don't have it.
It's $149 per year for the newer iPhones.
I've never broken a phone screen or phone back so I don't buy those kind
of insurance policies or warranties on phones.
The Costco Citibank Visa card used to give you two years of extra
warranty on purchases and I did use that benefit on multiple occasions. Costco/Citibank discontinued that benefit on January 22nd, 2023. It was especially nice on computers since Costco already extended the
manufacturer's warranty by an extra year and then the Costco Visa added another two years.
How is this meaningless? They are applying the breakage test to the
most expensive phones available. It shows the fragility of these
phones despite the claim of manufacturers and pundits espousing the
hardening technology of new glass. And for those who must make a
fashion statement by refusing to use cases, at least they will know
their phone isn't brak proof.
On 10/10/2023 7:25 AM, badgolferman wrote:
<snip>
How is this meaningless? They are applying the breakage test to the
most expensive phones available. It shows the fragility of these
phones despite the claim of manufacturers and pundits espousing the
hardening technology of new glass. And for those who must make a
fashion statement by refusing to use cases, at least they will know
their phone isn't brak proof.
It isn't the glass that is causing the 15 Pro/Pro Max to break easier
than the 14 Pro/Pro Max, it's the lower elasticity of the titanium which makes it much easier to bend the frame.
If you bent the frame of the 14 Pro/Pro Max by the same amount the glass would break as well, it would just be a lot more difficult to bend the stainless steel frame to the extent that the glass breaks.
I suspect that very few users are not immediately putting their iPhone
into a case so it's not a huge issue. OTOH, I see a LOT of people
sticking their iPhone in their back pocket and sitting down with
forgetting to remove the phone first which will be an even worse thing
to do with the 15 Pro/Pro Max.
It isn't the glass that is causing the 15 Pro/Pro Max to break
easier than the 14 Pro/Pro Max, it's the lower elasticity of the
titanium which makes it much easier to bend the frame.
If you bent the frame of the 14 Pro/Pro Max by the same amount the
glass would break as well, it would just be a lot more difficult
to bend the stainless steel frame to the extent that the glass
breaks.
Completely wrong.
Alan wrote:
Completely wrong.
Inform him in what way he is wrong please.
On 10/12/2023 1:15 PM, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
<snip>
Completely wrong.
Inform him in what way he is wrong please.
LOL, you're new here huh?
"...the Grade 5 titanium offers almost three times the tensile strength
when compared to aluminum and half the elasticity."
The experts have stated that the issue with the glass breaking is
because it's much easier to bend the titanium frame on the 15 Pro/Pro
Max because of the lower elasticity of the frame. Bending the iPhone 14
Pro by the same amount would also break the glass but it would requires
a lot more force.
Alan wrote:
It isn't the glass that is causing the 15 Pro/Pro Max to break
easier than the 14 Pro/Pro Max, it's the lower elasticity of the
titanium which makes it much easier to bend the frame.
If you bent the frame of the 14 Pro/Pro Max by the same amount the
glass would break as well, it would just be a lot more difficult
to bend the stainless steel frame to the extent that the glass
breaks.
Completely wrong.
Inform him in what way he is wrong please.
Alan wrote:
It isn't the glass that is causing the 15 Pro/Pro Max to break
easier than the 14 Pro/Pro Max, it's the lower elasticity of the
titanium which makes it much easier to bend the frame.
If you bent the frame of the 14 Pro/Pro Max by the same amount the
glass would break as well, it would just be a lot more difficult to
bend the stainless steel frame to the extent that the glass breaks.
Completely wrong.
Inform him in what way he is wrong please.
Completely wrong.
Inform him in what way he is wrong please.
That's not how the burden of proof works.
The key takeaway is to put the phone in a good case where it will be
more difficult to accidentally bend it.
Interestingly enough, the iPhone Pro (non-Max), subjected to the same
test, did not break the back glass because the shorter height made it
more difficult for the frame to bend a sufficient amount to stress the
glass.
In any case, as long as the user keeps their phone is a well-designed
case, and doesn't store it in their back pocket, the rear glass breakage
from stress should not be an issue. I can't even recall the last time I
saw someone with a smart phone that was not in some sort of a case.
On 13/10/2023, sms wrote:
Interestingly enough, the iPhone Pro (non-Max), subjected to the same
test, did not break the back glass because the shorter height made it
more difficult for the frame to bend a sufficient amount to stress the
glass.
In any case, as long as the user keeps their phone is a well-designed
case, and doesn't store it in their back pocket, the rear glass breakage
from stress should not be an issue. I can't even recall the last time I
saw someone with a smart phone that was not in some sort of a case.
Glass is a necessity in the front.
What is the reason for glass in the back?
On 13/10/2023, sms wrote:
Interestingly enough, the iPhone Pro (non-Max), subjected to the same
test, did not break the back glass because the shorter height made it
more difficult for the frame to bend a sufficient amount to stress the
glass.
In any case, as long as the user keeps their phone is a well-designed
case, and doesn't store it in their back pocket, the rear glass breakage
from stress should not be an issue. I can't even recall the last time I
saw someone with a smart phone that was not in some sort of a case.
Glass is a necessity in the front.
What is the reason for glass in the back?
Mickey D <[email protected]> wrote:
On 13/10/2023, sms wrote:
Interestingly enough, the iPhone Pro (non-Max), subjected to the
same test, did not break the back glass because the shorter height
made it more difficult for the frame to bend a sufficient amount to
stress the glass.
In any case, as long as the user keeps their phone is a
well-designed case, and doesn't store it in their back pocket, the
rear glass breakage from stress should not be an issue. I can't even
recall the last time I saw someone with a smart phone that was not
in some sort of a case.
Glass is a necessity in the front. What is the reason for glass in
the back?
I have rarely seen the glass on the back of my iPhones. The phone is immediately put into a case, one that covers up the Apple logo. I
don’t want to provide free advertising for them nor do I need to be “stylish”.
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote
Completely wrong.
Inform him in what way he is wrong please.
That's not how the burden of proof works.
Blah blah blah
I have rarely seen the glass on the back of my iPhones. The phone is immediately put into a case, one that covers up the Apple logo. I don’t want to provide free advertising for them nor do I need to be “stylish”.
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