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On 25/08/2023 06:30, Jolly Roger Provided a link:-

<https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/23/apple-lends-support-to-california-state-right-to-repair-bill/>

Apple lends support to California State Right to Repair bill

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That, I believe, is a GOOD thing!

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Jolly Roger wrote:

In a surprise move, Apple this week penned a letter to California
state senator Susan Talamantes Eggman, voicing support for SB 244, a
“right to repair” bill currently making its way through Sacramento’s >State Capitol building.

It's a first step toward consumer rights. I'd like to see how it
actually works in practice though. Apple's management no doubt has
figured out a way to still control the scope of repairs or make it cost prohibitive for others to perform the repairs, but I will reserve
judgement until we see how this works out.

We've been told countless times in this newsgroup that it would be a
bad idea to allow others to replace batteries and screens in iPhones.
I wonder if that stance has changed now.

I doubt EV manufacturers will comply with this until some of them start
getting fined.

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On 2023-08-25, badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote:

In a surprise move, Apple this week penned a letter to California
state senator Susan Talamantes Eggman, voicing support for SB 244, a
“right to repair” bill currently making its way through Sacramento’s >> State Capitol building.

It's a first step toward consumer rights. I'd like to see how it
actually works in practice though. Apple's management no doubt has
figured out a way to still control the scope of repairs or make it
cost prohibitive for others to perform the repairs, but I will reserve judgement until we see how this works out.

We've been told countless times in this newsgroup that it would be a
bad idea to allow others to replace batteries and screens in iPhones.

You're going to have to provide proof of that claim. What I recall being
said was much more nuanced than you are attempting to portray (which
I'll note is often the case with your low-effort trolls): That not
everyone has the skill, dexterity, knowledge, or tools needed to do
repairs correctly. And that's absolutely true. Some people risk damaging
the delicate internal components inside of an iPhone in attempting
battery replacements. Even someone who knows what they are doing hold a
certain amount of risk doing their own repairs.

Apple already provides self repair kits for iPhone batteries and other components. And I don't think you'll find anyone here saying that's "a
bad idea". As long as the person doing the repair actually knows what
they are doing, has the required dexterity and skill, and does the
repair with the right tools and parts, there's nothing bad about it.

I wonder if that stance has changed now.

The only stance that may change is the one you hold. But I doubt it.

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Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote

The offering, which was viewed by many as a preemptive measure
against looming state and federal legislation

Preemptive indeed.

Apple isn't stupid - just like Big Tobacco isn't stupid.
<https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3490543/>

Big Tobacco even lobbied Congress to add the warning labels (so that they
could say when sued for cancer that it's your own fault) and Big Tobacco lobbied for the limits on advertisements (even as they went after kids).
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1998/07/19/tobacco-round-2-save-the-kids/62e7b194-3985-4ca4-a4c6-0cc3f158f541/>

Apple isn't stupid.
Big Tobacco isn't stupid either.

They know perfectly well how to manipulate the government, where, in this
case, Apple pays lip service to repairs (at they same time Apple locks batteries for no reason other than to make it harder to repair iPhones).

Basically, Apple knows the writing is on the wall because of all the things Apple has done (like locking batteries just to make it harder to repair).

So Apple lawyers are trying to get a say on the matter to control (and
probably temper) what the government would have done without Apple's input.

What Apple is doing is no different than what Big Tobacco did in the past.
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=big+tobacco+lobbied+congress+>

Apple <===> Big Tobacco

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Wally J wrote:

Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote

The offering, which was viewed by many as a preemptive measure
against looming state and federal legislation

Preemptive indeed.

Apple isn't stupid - just like Big Tobacco isn't stupid.
<https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3490543/>

Big Tobacco even lobbied Congress to add the warning labels (so that they could say when sued for cancer that it's your own fault) and Big Tobacco lobbied for the limits on advertisements (even as they went after kids).
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1998/07/19/tobacco-round-2-save-the-kids/62e7b194-3985-4ca4-a4c6-0cc3f158f541/>

Apple isn't stupid.
Big Tobacco isn't stupid either.

They know perfectly well how to manipulate the government, where, in this case, Apple pays lip service to repairs (at they same time Apple locks batteries for no reason other than to make it harder to repair iPhones).

Basically, Apple knows the writing is on the wall because of all the things Apple has done (like locking batteries just to make it harder to repair).

So Apple lawyers are trying to get a say on the matter to control (and probably temper) what the government would have done without Apple's input.

What Apple is doing is no different than what Big Tobacco did in the past.
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=big+tobacco+lobbied+congress+>

Apple <===> Big Tobacco

Apple is selling cigarettes now? I think I'll try them (If I
can afford them).

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Wally J <[email protected]> wrote:

Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote

The offering, which was viewed by many as a preemptive measure
against looming state and federal legislation

Preemptive indeed.

Apple isn't stupid - just like Big Tobacco isn't stupid.
<https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3490543/>

Big Tobacco even lobbied Congress to add the warning labels (so that they could say when sued for cancer that it's your own fault) and Big Tobacco lobbied for the limits on advertisements (even as they went after kids).
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1998/07/19/tobacco-round-2-save-the-kids/62e7b194-3985-4ca4-a4c6-0cc3f158f541/>

Apple isn't stupid.
Big Tobacco isn't stupid either.

They know perfectly well how to manipulate the government, where, in this case, Apple pays lip service to repairs (at they same time Apple locks batteries for no reason other than to make it harder to repair iPhones).

Basically, Apple knows the writing is on the wall because of all the things Apple has done (like locking batteries just to make it harder to repair).

So Apple lawyers are trying to get a say on the matter to control (and probably temper) what the government would have done without Apple's input.

What Apple is doing is no different than what Big Tobacco did in the past.
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=big+tobacco+lobbied+congress+>

Apple <===> Big Tobacco

Exactly. Rather than be told what to do (USB-C), instead get in early and
set the parameters.

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badgolferman wrote:

Wally J <[email protected]> wrote:

Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote

The offering, which was viewed by many as a preemptive measure
against looming state and federal legislation

Preemptive indeed.

Apple isn't stupid - just like Big Tobacco isn't stupid.
<https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3490543/>

Big Tobacco even lobbied Congress to add the warning labels (so that they
could say when sued for cancer that it's your own fault) and Big Tobacco
lobbied for the limits on advertisements (even as they went after kids).
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1998/07/19/tobacco-round-2-save-the-kids/62e7b194-3985-4ca4-a4c6-0cc3f158f541/>

Apple isn't stupid.
Big Tobacco isn't stupid either.

They know perfectly well how to manipulate the government, where, in this
case, Apple pays lip service to repairs (at they same time Apple locks
batteries for no reason other than to make it harder to repair iPhones).

Basically, Apple knows the writing is on the wall because of all the things >> Apple has done (like locking batteries just to make it harder to repair).

So Apple lawyers are trying to get a say on the matter to control (and
probably temper) what the government would have done without Apple's input. >>
What Apple is doing is no different than what Big Tobacco did in the past. >> <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=big+tobacco+lobbied+congress+>

Apple <===> Big Tobacco

Exactly. Rather than be told what to do (USB-C), instead get in early and
set the parameters.

They'll likely opt for USB Micro-B. It handles usb 2.0 just
fine, and that's the fastest an iphone can transfer data.

It's good enough for us, and we don't need, or want anything
better.

Especially, we don't need no new fangled USB C crap. That is
the work of the devil, not steve jobs.

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On 2023-08-26 14:24, Hank Rogers wrote:

Apple is selling cigarettes now? I think I'll try them (If I can afford them).

You have to buy the compatible lighter and ashtray.
If you get cancer, you'll need compatible chemo and radiation therapy.

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“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

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On 2023-08-25 01:30, Jolly Roger wrote:

<https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/23/apple-lends-support-to-california-state-right-to-repair-bill/>

Apple lends support to California State Right to Repair bill

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In a surprise move, Apple this week penned a letter to California state senator Susan Talamantes Eggman, voicing support for SB 244, a “right to repair” bill currently making its way through Sacramento’s State Capitol building.

Colour me skeptical until Apple prove otherwise.

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“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

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badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote

Apple <===> Big Tobacco

Exactly. Rather than be told what to do (USB-C), instead get in early and
set the parameters.

Agree that Apple is merely trying to temper what the government will do to them.
*Apple Doesn't Want You to Fix Your Stuff*
<https://www.makeuseof.com/problems-with-apple/>

Everyone but uneducated iKooks is aware Apple is anti-repair to their core.
*Apple's Anti-Consumer Behavior*
<https://thesciencesurvey.com/editorial/2022/07/21/apples-anti-consumer-behavior/>

It's well known that Apple's strategy is to be anti-consumer on repairs.
*Apple's newest iPhone scam reveals anti-consumer agenda*
<https://dailytitan.com/opinion/apple-s-newest-iphone-scam-reveals-anti-consumer-agenda/article_c67dd3a9-32ce-533a-a943-8dfdfb79e6e0.html>

In reality, just as with Big Tobacco, Apple will defeat government efforts.
*The quiet victory of the tobacco industry over Congress on labels* 1965
<https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1965/09/the-quiet-victory-of-the-cigarette-lobby-how-it-found-the-best-filter-yet-congress/304762/>

Therefore, Apple want's to be able to temper what the government forces
them to do, & with their immense economic clout, I don't doubt they will.
*Apple finally admits its products are difficult to repair*
<https://grist.org/technology/apple-finally-admits-its-products-are-difficult-to-repair/>

Given Apple's long sordid history of anti-consumer barriers to make it
harder to repair iPhones, I doubt anything good will come of this effort.
*Regulator slams Apple for 'anti-consumer' behavior*
<https://bgr.com/tech/apple-anti-consumer-india-regulator/>

Until the government steps in, Apple has been making it harder to repair iPhones.

*How Apple are making it impossible to repair your phone*
<https://reboxed.co/blogs/outsidethebox/how-apple-are-making-it-impossible-to-repair-your-phone>

*It's obvious Apple does not want you to repair your iPhone*
<https://www.inc.com/jason-aten/apple-self-service-repair-program.html>

*Apple given an 'F' by US consumer advocacy group over difficult iPhone repairs*
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/03/08/apple-given-an-f-by-us-pirg-for-difficult-iphone-repairs>

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Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote

In a surprise move, Apple this week penned a letter to California state
senator Susan Talamantes Eggman, voicing support for SB 244, a "right to
repair" bill currently making its way through Sacramento's State Capitol
building.

Colour me skeptical until Apple prove otherwise.

Kudos to you, Alan Browne!
*You _can_ think for yourself!*

I don't care who posts by what nym - I care about _what_ they post, as
that's the value (the header wrapping paper isn't important in the least).

On a personal note, I have to say that you are _different_ from the other
two main iKooks, where it's refreshing that Alan *can* think for himself.

With Jolly Roger you'll never get any response to the truth about Apple
other than a viciously directed attack against any person saying a fact.

And with nospam, you'll always get leading steps of 7 excuses for Apple's
bad behavior, one of which is "whataboutism" (where nospam constantly
claims Samsung is who forced Apple do all the bad things that Apple did).

You are different from Jolly Roger (who attacks) or nospam (who deflects).
*You _can_ think for yourself!*

To be clear, you are very much an iKook in that everyone on the planet
except you is aware of the existence of the walled garden - and, like all iKooks, you believe almost everything Apple claims in any white paper on security (or battery chemistry affecting only certain iPhones with certain
OS versions).... so you're still one of the top 3 iKooks on this ng.

You actually believe Apple removed the charger... to be green (which nobody
but an iKook could possibly believe given any semblance of logic or sense).

However... every once in a while... like just now... you show that you can exercise your own independent thought processes - irrespective of the
claims Apple advertises to explain why they make it harder to repair stuff.

*You _can_ think for yourself!*

Good for you.

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Am 25.08.23 um 07:30 schrieb Jolly Roger:

<https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/23/apple-lends-support-to-california-state-right-to-repair-bill/>

Apple lends support to California State Right to Repair bill

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In a surprise move, Apple this week penned a letter to California state senator Susan Talamantes Eggman, voicing support for SB 244, a “right to repair” bill currently making its way through Sacramento’s State Capitol building.

Apple has, of course, softened its stance on right to repair legislation
in recent years, including last year’s addition of a Self Service Repair program. The offering, which was viewed by many as a preemptive measure against looming state and federal legislation, provides users with
rental tools to repair iPhones and Macs at home.

SB 244 is fairly expansive; it includes consumer electronics (phones, laptops, etc.) and appliances (microwaves, washing machines, etc.),
though a few exceptions have been carved out, including game consoles
and alarm systems. The rational for those appear to be piracy and
security, respectively. It shares a good deal (including the proposed
name) with the Right to Repair Act, which went into effect in Minnesota
this May.

In the letter, Apple expresses its support on the grounds of offering consumers the ability to repair their devices safely, without risking
privacy or data issues.

*LOL*

An easy way to create politcal goodwill because they have to do it
anyway. The European Union is forcing Apple to design this feature into
their devices anyway.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/society/20220331STO26410/why-is-the-eu-s-right-to-repair-legislation-important

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Am 26.08.23 um 19:31 schrieb Wally J:

Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote

The offering, which was viewed by many as a preemptive measure
against looming state and federal legislation

Preemptive indeed.

No not at all:

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/society/20220331STO26410/why-is-the-eu-s-right-to-repair-legislation-important

Apple isn't stupid - just like Big Tobacco isn't stupid.
<https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3490543/>

But you because you do not understand the mechanics of what is going on.


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On 25 Aug 2023 05:30:57 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

It seems likely that some level of industry compromise is necessary to
get these things across the finish line.

This just in about the new iPhone 15 to be announced on September 12th.

"Speaking of legislation, Apple also recently threw its weight behind a
right to repair bill currently making its way through California state legislation. A recent shift toward supporting self-repair could find the company touting the new phone's repairability. It would be a massive shift
in direction from the company's historical stance, but stranger things have certainly happened."

https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/29/apple-will-announce-the-iphone-15-on-september-12/

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