https://youtu.be/WVPM6D-3aZo
The video is two years old but the points made are still relevant.
On 8/21/2023 8:03 AM, badgolferman wrote:
https://youtu.be/WVPM6D-3aZo
The video is two years old but the points made are still relevant.
I don't think that anyone was dumb enough to believe that the removal of
the charger and the earpods was for environmental reasons.
I don't think that anyone was dumb enough to believe that the removal of the charger and the earpods was for environmental reasons.
It was the stated reason by the manufacturer. We were told the same thing
in this group. Why would anyone believe otherwise?
On 8/21/2023 8:03 AM, badgolferman wrote:
https://youtu.be/WVPM6D-3aZo
The video is two years old but the points made are still relevant.
I don't think that anyone was dumb enough to believe that the removal of
the charger and the earpods was for environmental reasons.
In article <uc07fs$2096q$[email protected]>, badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think that anyone was dumb enough to believe that the removal of >>> the charger and the earpods was for environmental reasons.
It was the stated reason by the manufacturer. We were told the same thing
in this group. Why would anyone believe otherwise?
it's clear to just about everyone that not including something that
most people won't ever use (which other manufacturers have also done,
some before apple) reduces waste and is therefore beneficial to the environment, among other things.
despite the obvious, the conspiracy theories abound.
nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
In article <uc07fs$2096q$[email protected]>, badgolferman
<[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think that anyone was dumb enough to believe that the removal of >>>> the charger and the earpods was for environmental reasons.
It was the stated reason by the manufacturer. We were told the same thing >>> in this group. Why would anyone believe otherwise?
it's clear to just about everyone that not including something that
most people won't ever use (which other manufacturers have also done,
some before apple) reduces waste and is therefore beneficial to the
environment, among other things.
despite the obvious, the conspiracy theories abound.
Did you watch the video?
badgolferman wrote:
nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
In article <uc07fs$2096q$[email protected]>, badgolferman >>><[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think that anyone was dumb enough to believe that the
removal of the charger and the earpods was for environmental
reasons.
It was the stated reason by the manufacturer. We were told the
same thing in this group. Why would anyone believe otherwise?
it's clear to just about everyone that not including something
that most people won't ever use (which other manufacturers have
also done, some before apple) reduces waste and is therefore
beneficial to the environment, among other things.
despite the obvious, the conspiracy theories abound.
Did you watch the video?
Not needed and nobody wants it.
It was the stated reason by the manufacturer. We were told the same thing
in this group. Why would anyone believe otherwise?
I don't think that anyone was dumb enough to believe that the removal of >>> the charger and the earpods was for environmental reasons.
It was the stated reason by the manufacturer. We were told the same thing
in this group. Why would anyone believe otherwise?
it's clear to just about everyone that not including something that
most people won't ever use (which other manufacturers have also done,
some before apple) reduces waste and is therefore beneficial to the environment, among other things.
despite the obvious, the conspiracy theories abound.
Apple indeed reduced their environmental impact,
Apple made a business decision which worked out fine for them, but the tragedy is the lie they perpetuated by claiming they were reducing environmental impact.
In fact they created more of an environmental
wasteful impact by what they did.
It was the stated reason by the manufacturer. We were told the same thing
in this group. Why would anyone believe otherwise?
Even the people in this group that repeated the manufacturer's reason
did not actually believe what they were saying. They were just doing
what they always do. You're certainly fully aware of this reality.
Even the people in this group that repeated the manufacturer's reason
did not actually believe what they were saying. They were just doing
what they always do. You're certainly fully aware of this reality.
Apple indeed reduced their environmental impact,
first you admit it's true...
Apple made a business decision which worked out fine for them, but the
tragedy is the lie they perpetuated by claiming they were reducing
environmental impact.
and then you claim it's a lie.
it can't be both.
In fact they created more of an environmental
wasteful impact by what they did.
false.
In article <uc0po4$233sv$[email protected]>, Neil
<[email protected]> wrote:
As the video said, by removing necessary equipment required to properly
charge the new iPhones, Apple only succeeded in lowering "their" carbon
footprint, while at the same time raising the carbon footprint overall.
that claim is not only speculation without evidence, but is
demonstrably wrong.
As the video said, by removing necessary equipment required to properly charge the new iPhones, Apple only succeeded in lowering "their" carbon footprint, while at the same time raising the carbon footprint overall.
In article<[email protected]>, badgolferman<[email protected]> wrote:
Apple indeed reduced their environmental impact,first you admit it's true...
Apple made a business decision which worked out fine for them, but theand then you claim it's a lie.
tragedy is the lie they perpetuated by claiming they were reducing
environmental impact.
it can't be both.
On 8/21/2023 5:19 PM, sms wrote:
It was the stated reason by the manufacturer. We were told the same
thing
in this group. Why would anyone believe otherwise?
Even the people in this group that repeated the manufacturer's reason
did not actually believe what they were saying. They were just doing
what they always do. You're certainly fully aware of this reality.
What nospam did when the news came out is blame Samsung for Apple's choice.
While Jolly Roger viciously attacked anyone who mentioned what Apple did.
Meanwhile, Alan Browne parroted exactly (word for word) Apple's excuses.
As the video said, by removing necessary equipment required to properly
charge the new iPhones, Apple only succeeded in lowering "their" carbon
footprint, while at the same time raising the carbon footprint overall.
that claim is not only speculation without evidence, but is
demonstrably wrong.
On 8/21/2023 5:19 PM, sms wrote:
It was the stated reason by the manufacturer. We were told the same
thing
in this group. Why would anyone believe otherwise?
Even the people in this group that repeated the manufacturer's reason
did not actually believe what they were saying. They were just doing
what they always do. You're certainly fully aware of this reality.
What nospam did when the news came out is blame Samsung for Apple's choice.
While Jolly Roger viciously attacked anyone who mentioned what Apple did.
Meanwhile, Alan Browne parroted exactly (word for word) Apple's excuses.
On 8/21/2023 7:24 PM, nospam wrote:
As the video said, by removing necessary equipment required to properly
charge the new iPhones, Apple only succeeded in lowering "their"
carbon footprint, while at the same time raising the carbon footprint
overall.
that claim is not only speculation without evidence, but is
demonstrably wrong.
You cite nothing in your content-free denials of everything in the video because your only basis for disagreeing with its sensible points is you
don't like it portrays Apple for exactly what Apple said & did.
Separately boxing, buying and shipping a proper charger to fit the new iPhone's designed charging specs will cause far more of an overall carbon footprint than there would have been had Apple simply been a decent company by Apple actually doing what Apple sweetly and rather piously says they do.
As the video argued, Apple lowered "their" carbon footprint while
increasing the carbon footprint overall - which is another case where
what Apple says they do and what Apple actually does rarely (if ever) matches.
nospam <[email protected]d> wrote
I don't think that anyone was dumb enough to believe that the removal of >>>> the charger and the earpods was for environmental reasons.
It was the stated reason by the manufacturer. We were told the same thing >>> in this group. Why would anyone believe otherwise?
it's clear to just about everyone that not including something that
most people won't ever use (which other manufacturers have also done,
some before apple) reduces waste and is therefore beneficial to the
environment, among other things.
Nobody (but you low-class iPhone owners) is going to be sharing their PD/QC charger among the household (any more than they'd share a toothbrush).
They're gonna buy a new charger for every new phone, just like they buy a toothbrush for every member of the family (unless you're low class).
despite the obvious, the conspiracy theories abound.
The vast majority of Android brands, including Samsungs, come with the consumer-friendly choice of the consumer being able to choose & purchase a phone that comes with the proper charger designed for that phone.
Only Apple branded iPhones, en masse, lack that choice.
In article <uc07fs$2096q$[email protected]>, badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think that anyone was dumb enough to believe that the removal of >>> the charger and the earpods was for environmental reasons.
It was the stated reason by the manufacturer. We were told the same thing
in this group. Why would anyone believe otherwise?
it's clear to just about everyone that not including something that
most people won't ever use (which other manufacturers have also done,
some before apple) reduces waste and is therefore beneficial to the environment, among other things.
despite the obvious, the conspiracy theories abound.
Separately boxing, buying and shipping a proper charger to fit the new iPhone's designed charging specs will cause far more of an overall carbon footprint
In article <uc19to$28t5b$[email protected]>, Neil <[email protected]>
wrote:
Separately boxing, buying and shipping a proper charger to fit the new
iPhone's designed charging specs will cause far more of an overall carbon
footprint
good thing they're not doing that.
You cite nothing in your content-free denials of everything in the video because your only basis for disagreeing with its sensible points is you
don't like it portrays Apple for exactly what Apple said & did.
Separately boxing, buying and shipping a proper charger to fit the new iPhone's designed charging specs will cause far more of an overall carbon footprint than there would have been had Apple simply been a decent company by Apple actually doing what Apple sweetly and rather piously says they do.
As the video argued, Apple lowered "their" carbon footprint while
increasing the carbon footprint overall - which is another case where
what Apple says they do and what Apple actually does rarely (if ever) matches.
nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
In article <uc19to$28t5b$[email protected]>, Neil <[email protected]>
wrote:
Separately boxing, buying and shipping a proper charger to fit the new
iPhone's designed charging specs will cause far more of an overall carbon >>> footprint
good thing they're not doing that.
Of course they are! How are owners of iPhone 12-14 fast charging their
phones as it was designed to do so?
I was given one charger for free by tmobile after I refused the new phone without a charger. The rest of the chargers and cables in my household were purchased off Amazon. No one at Apple gave me a new charger to use on our
new phones with the new fast charging circuitry.
You may choose to use 5 watt chargers and usb-a cables for your brand new shiny iPhone 14 but most people won’t. They will buy new chargers and new cables.
I don’t know why you can’t be honest and admit what everyone with common sense can see. You know it to be true. The environmental impact was transferred from Apple to the consumer. Personally I don’t care about that, but I do care that the cost of the new charger was passed on to me when it could have been a minimal cost when included in the box as had been done
for generations of iPhones before that.
nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
In article <uc19to$28t5b$[email protected]>, Neil <[email protected]>
wrote:
Separately boxing, buying and shipping a proper charger to fit the new
iPhone's designed charging specs will cause far more of an overall carbon >>> footprint
good thing they're not doing that.
Of course they are! How are owners of iPhone 12-14 fast charging their
phones as it was designed to do so?
I was given one charger for free by tmobile after I refused the new phone without a charger. The rest of the chargers and cables in my household were purchased off Amazon. No one at Apple gave me a new charger to use on our
new phones with the new fast charging circuitry.
You may choose to use 5 watt chargers and usb-a cables for your brand new shiny iPhone 14 but most people won’t. They will buy new chargers and new cables.
I don’t know why you can’t be honest and admit what everyone with common sense can see. You know it to be true. The environmental impact was transferred from Apple to the consumer. Personally I don’t care about that, but I do care that the cost of the new charger was passed on to me when it could have been a minimal cost when included in the box as had been done
for generations of iPhones before that.
Why would you "force" anyone to buy a charger with a phone when they may
very well already have one that works?
How are owners of iPhone 12-14 fast charging their
phones as it was designed to do so?
You may choose to use 5 watt chargers and usb-a cables for your brand new shiny iPhone 14 but most people won�t. They will buy new chargers and new cables.
Many people lack critical thinking skills and believe anything and
everything that a corporation tells them.
When the chargers ceased to be include sales of high-power chargers went
way up
Of course not every iPhone user will buy an Apple-branded 20W charger,
As the video accurately explained, the _net_ environmental benefit is
clearly negative.
Many people lack critical thinking skills and believe anything and
everything that a...
One thing that he mentioned was that if the
old phone is passed to another family member, they'll need the charger
that goes with that phone.
Of course they are! How are owners of iPhone 12-14 fast charging
their phones as it was designed to do so?
With fast chargers they already own?
In article <uc2gq2$2eloe$[email protected]>, badgolferman ><[email protected]> wrote:
How are owners of iPhone 12-14 fast charging their
phones as it was designed to do so?
there's no requirement to fast charge anything.
most people charge overnight where that would make no difference.
You may choose to use 5 watt chargers and usb-a cables for your
brand new shiny iPhone 14 but most people won�t. They will buy new >>chargers and new cables.
no they won't, because they have chargers from other devices,
including macbooks, ipads, pc laptops, iot devices and many other
products, well above the 5w you claim they have.
How are owners of iPhone 12-14 fast charging their
phones as it was designed to do so?
there's no requirement to fast charge anything.
most people charge overnight where that would make no difference.
You may choose to use 5 watt chargers and usb-a cables for your brand new
shiny iPhone 14 but most people won�t. They will buy new chargers and new
cables.
no they won't, because they have chargers from other devices, including macbooks, ipads, pc laptops, iot devices and many other products, well
above the 5w you claim they have.
Of course they are! How are owners of iPhone 12-14 fast charging their
phones as it was designed to do so?
I was given one charger for free by tmobile after I refused the new phone without a charger. The rest of the chargers and cables in my household were purchased off Amazon. No one at Apple gave me a new charger to use on our
new phones with the new fast charging circuitry.
You may choose to use 5 watt chargers and usb-a cables for your brand new shiny iPhone 14 but most people won't. They will buy new chargers and new cables.
I don't know why you can't be honest and admit what everyone with common sense can see. You know it to be true. The environmental impact was transferred from Apple to the consumer.
Personally I don't care about that,
but I do care that the cost of the new charger was passed on to me when it could have been a minimal cost when included in the box as had been done
for generations of iPhones before that.
most people charge overnight where that would make no difference.
So why is Apple charging me for the circuitry?
You may choose to use 5 watt chargers and usb-a cables for your
brand new shiny iPhone 14 but most people won�t. They will buy new >>>chargers and new cables.
no they won't, because they have chargers from other devices,
including macbooks, ipads, pc laptops, iot devices and many other
products, well above the 5w you claim they have.
Most people I know only own Apple iPhones, no other Apple device. What percentage of iPhone owners already owned fast chargers before the
iPhone 12? You know everything so tell us that!
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 15:27:59 -0400, nospam wrote:
How are owners of iPhone 12-14 fast charging their
phones as it was designed to do so?
there's no requirement to fast charge anything.
Nobody but you low-class iPhone owners would suggest buying a high-end expensive device designed to charge at PD speeds - and then never be able
to attain the charging performance that you paid good and dear money for.
Simply because you're sharing an old toothbrush to charge that new device.
most people charge overnight where that would make no difference.
If you're forced to charge overnight, then it's not Android - it's Apple. Nobody but people with old outdated almost burned out batteries does that.
As all the articles said, Apple is years behind Android in charging speeds. (Now that's something that Apple "should" copy from Samsung for once!)
You may choose to use 5 watt chargers and usb-a cables for your brand
new
shiny iPhone 14 but most people won�t. They will buy new chargers and
new
cables.
no they won't, because they have chargers from other devices, including
macbooks, ipads, pc laptops, iot devices and many other products, well
above the 5w you claim they have.
It's low class (and desperate!) to share toothbrushes, which is exactly the clusterfuck approach of sharing chargers that you Apple owners suggest.
Besides, what are you going to do when you go on a trip and the person
you're desperately sharing your only PD charger with needs it also?
Alan wrote:
Of course they are! How are owners of iPhone 12-14 fast charging
their phones as it was designed to do so?
With fast chargers they already own?
That is utterly asinine! Why would an *iPhone* owner need a fast
charger before iPhone 12?
On 2023-08-22, badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
most people charge overnight where that would make no difference.
So why is Apple charging me for the circuitry?
Buying an expensive iPhone designed for high-speed PD charging, and then
not being able to charge it at the speeds you paid for, is ludicrous.
It's like putting used junk-yard standard passenger tires on a Ferrari.
You may choose to use 5 watt chargers and usb-a cables for your
brand new shiny iPhone 14 but most people won�t. They will buy new >>>> chargers and new cables.
no they won't, because they have chargers from other devices,
including macbooks, ipads, pc laptops, iot devices and many other
products, well above the 5w you claim they have.
Most people I know only own Apple iPhones, no other Apple device. What
percentage of iPhone owners already owned fast chargers before the
iPhone 12? You know everything so tell us that!
You should know by now that zero iPhones ever sold came with a charger that was powerful enough to charge even the iPhone 12, let alone the newer ones.
So if anyone did have a spare PD charger suitable to charge the iPhone 12
at the speeds the iPhone was designed for, it didn't come with any iPhone.
Even if they did have a suitable PD charger (for example, from an iPad),
they aren't going to stoop so low as to share it with family members, especially if both devices needs to be charged overnight at the same time.
nospam wrote:
In article <uc2gq2$2eloe$[email protected]>, badgolferman
<[email protected]> wrote:
How are owners of iPhone 12-14 fast charging their
phones as it was designed to do so?
there's no requirement to fast charge anything.
most people charge overnight where that would make no difference.
So why is Apple charging me for the circuitry?
You may choose to use 5 watt chargers and usb-a cables for your
brand new shiny iPhone 14 but most people won¹t. They will buy new
chargers and new cables.
no they won't, because they have chargers from other devices,
including macbooks, ipads, pc laptops, iot devices and many other
products, well above the 5w you claim they have.
Most people I know only own Apple iPhones, no other Apple device.
What
percentage of iPhone owners already owned fast chargers before the
iPhone 12? You know everything so tell us that!
On 2023-08-22 13:27, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
Of course they are! How are owners of iPhone 12-14 fast charging
their phones as it was designed to do so?
With fast chargers they already own?
That is utterly asinine! Why would an iPhone owner need a fast
charger before iPhone 12?
Do you imagine that everyone who owns an iPhone 12 or later has only
a single device requiring a charger?
Most people I know only own Apple iPhones, no other Apple device.
Bullshit.
Even if they did have a suitable PD charger (for example, from an
iPad), they aren't going to stoop so low as to share it with family >>members, especially if both devices needs to be charged overnight
at the same time.
"stoop so low" as to share a device which no one needs for more than
a few hours of the day?
On 2023-08-21 20:27, Neil wrote:
On 8/21/2023 7:24 PM, nospam wrote:
As the video said, by removing necessary equipment required
to properly
charge the new iPhones, Apple only succeeded in lowering
"their" carbon footprint, while at the same time raising
the carbon footprint overall.
that claim is not only speculation without evidence, but is
demonstrably wrong.
You cite nothing in your content-free denials of everything
in the video
because your only basis for disagreeing with its sensible
points is you don't like it portrays Apple for exactly what
Apple said & did.
Separately boxing, buying and shipping a proper charger to
fit the new
iPhone's designed charging specs will cause far more of an
overall carbon
footprint than there would have been had Apple simply been a
decent company
by Apple actually doing what Apple sweetly and rather piously
says they do.
As the video argued, Apple lowered "their" carbon footprint
while increasing the carbon footprint overall - which is
another case where what Apple says they do and what Apple
actually does rarely (if ever) matches.
Go away, Arlen...
...or at least have the personal integrity to post under just
one nym.
In article <uc2q5t$2g017$[email protected]>, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
Why would you "force" anyone to buy a charger with a phone when they may
very well already have one that works?
exactly.
Why would you "force" anyone to buy a charger with a phone when they may >>> very well already have one that works?
exactly.
Exactly. When you buy a new car, you always take can of gas
with you. Nobody expects there to be any gas in the tank!
Alan wrote:
Most people I know only own Apple iPhones, no other Apple device.
Bullshit.
What's bullshit is your assumption that everyone with an iPhone is a
total Apple geek.
Alan wrote:
Even if they did have a suitable PD charger (for example, from an
iPad), they aren't going to stoop so low as to share it with family
members, especially if both devices needs to be charged overnight
at the same time.
"stoop so low" as to share a device which no one needs for more than
a few hours of the day?
Do you wake up at night and swap chargers to other devices? How many
fast chargers did you have to buy? Would you have been okay with your
shiny new iMac being sold to you without a charger?
Alan wrote:
On 2023-08-22 13:27, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
Of course they are! How are owners of iPhone 12-14 fast charging
their phones as it was designed to do so?
With fast chargers they already own?
That is utterly asinine! Why would an iPhone owner need a fast
charger before iPhone 12?
Do you imagine that everyone who owns an iPhone 12 or later has only
a single device requiring a charger?
We were talking about owners of iPhone 12 or earlier.
Someone with an
older phone would have bought that one and been without a fast charger
now. We don't care about slow chargers, we want fast ones to go with
the fast charging circuitry in the new phone. I certainly never had
one until I bought the 12 and forced the salesman to throw one in.
Alan wrote:
On 2023-08-21 20:27, Neil wrote:
On 8/21/2023 7:24 PM, nospam wrote:
As the video said, by removing necessary equipment required
to properly charge the new iPhones, Apple only succeeded in
lowering "their" carbon footprint, while at the same time
raising the carbon footprint overall.
that claim is not only speculation without evidence, but is
demonstrably wrong.
You cite nothing in your content-free denials of everything in
the video because your only basis for disagreeing with its
sensible points is you don't like it portrays Apple for exactly
what Apple said & did.
Separately boxing, buying and shipping a proper charger to fit
the new iPhone's designed charging specs will cause far more of
an overall carbon footprint than there would have been had Apple
simply been a decent company by Apple actually doing what Apple
sweetly and rather piously says they do.
As the video argued, Apple lowered "their" carbon footprint while
increasing the carbon footprint overall - which is another case
where what Apple says they do and what Apple actually does rarely
(if ever) matches.
Go away, Arlen...
...or at least have the personal integrity to post under just one
nym.
[email protected] filtered.
badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
Of course they are! How are owners of iPhone 12-14 fast charging their
phones as it was designed to do so?
Apple's excuses ring hollow - as the video aptly described in detail.
It's not logical for someone to purchase a phone *designed* for fast PD charging, and then *not* be able to charge it at speeds you paid for.
nospam wrote:
In article <uc2q5t$2g017$[email protected]>, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
Why would you "force" anyone to buy a charger with a phone when they may >>> very well already have one that works?
exactly.
Exactly. When you buy a new car, you always take can of gas with you.
Nobody expects there to be any gas in the tank!
Do you imagine that everyone who owns an iPhone 12 or later has only
a single device requiring a charger?
We were talking about owners of iPhone 12 or earlier. Someone with an
older phone would have bought that one and been without a fast charger
now. We don't care about slow chargers, we want fast ones to go with
the fast charging circuitry in the new phone. I certainly never had
one until I bought the 12 and forced the salesman to throw one in.
On 8/22/2023 10:22 PM, badgolferman wrote:
Do you imagine that everyone who owns an iPhone 12 or later has only
a single device requiring a charger?
We were talking about owners of iPhone 12 or earlier. Someone with an
older phone would have bought that one and been without a fast charger
now. We don't care about slow chargers, we want fast ones to go with
the fast charging circuitry in the new phone. I certainly never had
one until I bought the 12 and forced the salesman to throw one in.
I have to agree with you that the fast charging takes only an hour or two
(at most) to fully charge a battery from nothing to full nowadays.
That's what the phone was designed for - and what you paid good money for.
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any old
charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of the road, have never themselves ever experienced the joys of a modern fast-charge.
They're desperate to plug the phone into the wall so it charges all night.
Meanwhile, everyone else just pops it on the proper fast PD/QC charger only when it needs it, which is once every couple of days for a couple of hours.
They can't understand what they've never experienced in fast charging.
On 2023-08-22, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:
Why would you "force" anyone to buy a charger with a phone when they
may
very well already have one that works?
exactly.
Exactly. When you buy a new car, you always take can of gas with you.
Nobody expects there to be any gas in the tank!
It's more like buying a Ferrari and not getting any tires with it.
On 2023-08-22 15:23, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
Most people I know only own Apple iPhones, no other Apple device.
Bullshit.
What's bullshit is your assumption that everyone with an iPhone is a
total Apple geek.
That's NOT my assumption.
That's a straw man you just constructed.
nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
In article <uc19to$28t5b$[email protected]>, Neil <[email protected]>
wrote:
Separately boxing, buying and shipping a proper charger to fit the
new iPhone's designed charging specs will cause far more of an
overall carbon footprint
good thing they're not doing that.
Of course they are! How are owners of iPhone 12-14 fast charging their
phones as it was designed to do so?
On 2023-08-22 15:50, Hank Rogers wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article <uc2q5t$2g017$[email protected]>, Alan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>
Why would you "force" anyone to buy a charger with a phone when they
may
very well already have one that works?
exactly.
Exactly. When you buy a new car, you always take can of gas with you.
Nobody expects there to be any gas in the tank!
You keep drawing the most absurd "analogies"
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any old
charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of the road, have never themselves ever experienced the joys of a modern fast-charge.
On 8/22/2023 6:01 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-08-22 15:50, Hank Rogers wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article <uc2q5t$2g017$[email protected]>, Alan <[email protected]>
wrote:
Why would you "force" anyone to buy a charger with a phone when
they may
very well already have one that works?
exactly.
Exactly. When you buy a new car, you always take can of gas with you.
Nobody expects there to be any gas in the tank!
You keep drawing the most absurd "analogies"
Uh, Hank forgot the /s or assumed that it was implied!
On 8/22/2023 10:22 PM, badgolferman wrote:
Do you imagine that everyone who owns an iPhone 12 or later has only
a single device requiring a charger?
We were talking about owners of iPhone 12 or earlier. Someone with an
older phone would have bought that one and been without a fast charger
now. We don't care about slow chargers, we want fast ones to go with
the fast charging circuitry in the new phone. I certainly never had
one until I bought the 12 and forced the salesman to throw one in.
I have to agree with you that the fast charging takes only an hour or two
(at most) to fully charge a battery from nothing to full nowadays.
That's what the phone was designed for - and what you paid good money for.
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any old
charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of the road, have never themselves ever experienced the joys of a modern fast-charge.
They're desperate to plug the phone into the wall so it charges all night.
Meanwhile, everyone else just pops it on the proper fast PD/QC charger only when it needs it, which is once every couple of days for a couple of hours.
They can't understand what they've never experienced in fast charging.
On 8/22/2023 6:03 PM, Lord Vader wrote:
<snip>
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any old
charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of the road,
have never themselves ever experienced the joys of a modern
fast-charge.
I'm sure that you understand that the people claiming that you should
use an old, slow, charger don't actually believe what they are
claiming!
On 2023-08-23, sms <[email protected]> wrote:
On 8/22/2023 6:03 PM, Lord Vader wrote:
<snip>
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any old
charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of the road,
have never themselves ever experienced the joys of a modern
fast-charge.
I'm sure that you understand that the people claiming that you should
use an old, slow, charger don't actually believe what they are
claiming!
The only people I see here talking about telling others what to do are
you two idiots. Nothing you can say will change that there are many
people who already have power adapters and charge cables when they get a
new device, and it would be quite wasteful for them to just stop using
them. A whole lot of people have no need for fast charging - a lot of
people charge overnight where fast charging makes no difference
whatsoever. You trolls *desperately* want to push your "everybody needs
fast charging" propaganda because it's the only way your little troll
works. But it's simply not true. And the amount of time you spend
trolling about this day in and day out is frankly pathetic. Your trolls
are a colossal waste of electrons and time.
Lord Vader <[email protected]> wrote:
On 8/22/2023 10:22 PM, badgolferman wrote:Who the fuck still charges overnight? Reads the room. Apparently way too
Do you imagine that everyone who owns an iPhone 12 or later has only
a single device requiring a charger?
We were talking about owners of iPhone 12 or earlier. Someone with an
older phone would have bought that one and been without a fast charger
now. We don't care about slow chargers, we want fast ones to go with
the fast charging circuitry in the new phone. I certainly never had
one until I bought the 12 and forced the salesman to throw one in.
I have to agree with you that the fast charging takes only an hour or two
(at most) to fully charge a battery from nothing to full nowadays.
That's what the phone was designed for - and what you paid good money for. >>
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any old
charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of the road, have
never themselves ever experienced the joys of a modern fast-charge.
They're desperate to plug the phone into the wall so it charges all night. >>
Meanwhile, everyone else just pops it on the proper fast PD/QC charger only >> when it needs it, which is once every couple of days for a couple of hours. >>
They can't understand what they've never experienced in fast charging.
many people with old plugs. Sad.
On 2023-08-22, badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
In article <uc19to$28t5b$[email protected]>, Neil <[email protected]>
wrote:
Separately boxing, buying and shipping a proper charger to fit the
new iPhone's designed charging specs will cause far more of an
overall carbon footprint
good thing they're not doing that.
Of course they are! How are owners of iPhone 12-14 fast charging their
phones as it was designed to do so?
Are you actually trying to claim those who don't fast charge since they charge overnight anyway and those who simply continue to use their
existing power adapters and cables somehow don't exist? Or are you
claiming the number is only a small percentage of customers? Either way, you're going to have to cough up some evidence or we'll just assume you
and your troll buddies are lying as usual in order to troll.
On 2023-08-22 21:12, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Lord Vader <[email protected]> wrote:
On 8/22/2023 10:22 PM, badgolferman wrote:Who the fuck still charges overnight? Reads the room. Apparently way too
Do you imagine that everyone who owns an iPhone 12 or later has only >>>>> a single device requiring a charger?
We were talking about owners of iPhone 12 or earlier. Someone with an >>>> older phone would have bought that one and been without a fast charger >>>> now. We don't care about slow chargers, we want fast ones to go with
the fast charging circuitry in the new phone. I certainly never had
one until I bought the 12 and forced the salesman to throw one in.
I have to agree with you that the fast charging takes only an hour or two >>> (at most) to fully charge a battery from nothing to full nowadays.
That's what the phone was designed for - and what you paid good money for. >>>
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any old
charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of the road, have >>> never themselves ever experienced the joys of a modern fast-charge.
They're desperate to plug the phone into the wall so it charges all night. >>>
Meanwhile, everyone else just pops it on the proper fast PD/QC charger only >>> when it needs it, which is once every couple of days for a couple of hours. >>>
They can't understand what they've never experienced in fast charging.
many people with old plugs. Sad.
Better question:
Are you using your phone while you're asleep?
On 2023-08-22 21:09, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23, sms <[email protected]> wrote:I guess nobody needs fast charging then, especially me, who likes it
On 8/22/2023 6:03 PM, Lord Vader wrote:
<snip>
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any old >>>>> charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of the road,
have never themselves ever experienced the joys of a modern
fast-charge.
I'm sure that you understand that the people claiming that you should
use an old, slow, charger don't actually believe what they are
claiming!
The only people I see here talking about telling others what to do are
you two idiots. Nothing you can say will change that there are many
people who already have power adapters and charge cables when they get a >>> new device, and it would be quite wasteful for them to just stop using
them. A whole lot of people have no need for fast charging - a lot of
people charge overnight where fast charging makes no difference
whatsoever. You trolls *desperately* want to push your "everybody needs
fast charging" propaganda because it's the only way your little troll
works. But it's simply not true. And the amount of time you spend
trolling about this day in and day out is frankly pathetic. Your trolls
are a colossal waste of electrons and time.
immensely. Must be deluded.
Straw... ...man.
Ever heard of it?
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23, sms <[email protected]> wrote:I guess nobody needs fast charging
On 8/22/2023 6:03 PM, Lord Vader wrote:
<snip>
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any
old charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of the
road, have never themselves ever experienced the joys of a modern
fast-charge.
I'm sure that you understand that the people claiming that you
should use an old, slow, charger don't actually believe what they
are claiming!
The only people I see here talking about telling others what to do
are you two idiots. Nothing you can say will change that there are
many people who already have power adapters and charge cables when
they get a new device, and it would be quite wasteful for them to
just stop using them. A whole lot of people have no need for fast
charging - a lot of people charge overnight where fast charging makes
no difference whatsoever. You trolls *desperately* want to push your
"everybody needs fast charging" propaganda because it's the only way
your little troll works. But it's simply not true. And the amount of
time you spend trolling about this day in and day out is frankly
pathetic. Your trolls are a colossal waste of electrons and time.
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 21:12, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Why ask that when I can charge while I eat breakfast?
Lord Vader <[email protected]> wrote:
On 8/22/2023 10:22 PM, badgolferman wrote:Who the fuck still charges overnight? Reads the room. Apparently way too >>> many people with old plugs. Sad.
Do you imagine that everyone who owns an iPhone 12 or later has only >>>>>> a single device requiring a charger?
We were talking about owners of iPhone 12 or earlier. Someone with an >>>>> older phone would have bought that one and been without a fast charger >>>>> now. We don't care about slow chargers, we want fast ones to go with >>>>> the fast charging circuitry in the new phone. I certainly never had >>>>> one until I bought the 12 and forced the salesman to throw one in.
I have to agree with you that the fast charging takes only an hour or two >>>> (at most) to fully charge a battery from nothing to full nowadays.
That's what the phone was designed for - and what you paid good money for. >>>>
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any old
charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of the road, have >>>> never themselves ever experienced the joys of a modern fast-charge.
They're desperate to plug the phone into the wall so it charges all night. >>>>
Meanwhile, everyone else just pops it on the proper fast PD/QC charger only
when it needs it, which is once every couple of days for a couple of hours.
They can't understand what they've never experienced in fast charging. >>>>
Better question:
Are you using your phone while you're asleep?
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 21:09, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Go charge your phone now. We’ll wait until tomorrow morning.
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23, sms <[email protected]> wrote:I guess nobody needs fast charging then, especially me, who likes it
On 8/22/2023 6:03 PM, Lord Vader wrote:
<snip>
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any
old charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of the
road, have never themselves ever experienced the joys of a modern
fast-charge.
I'm sure that you understand that the people claiming that you
should use an old, slow, charger don't actually believe what they
are claiming!
The only people I see here talking about telling others what to do
are you two idiots. Nothing you can say will change that there are
many people who already have power adapters and charge cables when
they get a new device, and it would be quite wasteful for them to
just stop using them. A whole lot of people have no need for fast
charging - a lot of people charge overnight where fast charging
makes no difference whatsoever. You trolls *desperately* want to
push your "everybody needs fast charging" propaganda because it's
the only way your little troll works. But it's simply not true. And
the amount of time you spend trolling about this day in and day out
is frankly pathetic. Your trolls are a colossal waste of electrons
and time.
immensely. Must be deluded.
Straw... ...man.
Ever heard of it?
everyone here wants to impose antiquated norms on people
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22, badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
In article <uc19to$28t5b$[email protected]>, Neil <[email protected]>
wrote:
Separately boxing, buying and shipping a proper charger to fit the
new iPhone's designed charging specs will cause far more of an
overall carbon footprint
good thing they're not doing that.
Of course they are! How are owners of iPhone 12-14 fast charging
their phones as it was designed to do so?
Are you actually trying to claim those who don't fast charge since
they charge overnight anyway and those who simply continue to use
their existing power adapters and cables somehow don't exist? Or are
you claiming the number is only a small percentage of customers?
Either way, you're going to have to cough up some evidence or we'll
just assume you and your troll buddies are lying as usual in order to
troll.
I’m sure people are still using distributors and carburetors
Fuck slow charging. It’s for obsolete cave dwellers.
*Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 21:12, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Why ask that when I can charge while I eat breakfast?
Lord Vader <[email protected]> wrote:
On 8/22/2023 10:22 PM, badgolferman wrote:Who the fuck still charges overnight? Reads the room. Apparently way too >>>> many people with old plugs. Sad.
Do you imagine that everyone who owns an iPhone 12 or later has only >>>>>>> a single device requiring a charger?
We were talking about owners of iPhone 12 or earlier. Someone with an >>>>>> older phone would have bought that one and been without a fast charger >>>>>> now. We don't care about slow chargers, we want fast ones to go with >>>>>> the fast charging circuitry in the new phone. I certainly never had >>>>>> one until I bought the 12 and forced the salesman to throw one in.
I have to agree with you that the fast charging takes only an hour or two >>>>> (at most) to fully charge a battery from nothing to full nowadays.
That's what the phone was designed for - and what you paid good money for.
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any old >>>>> charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of the road, have >>>>> never themselves ever experienced the joys of a modern fast-charge.
They're desperate to plug the phone into the wall so it charges all night.
Meanwhile, everyone else just pops it on the proper fast PD/QC charger only
when it needs it, which is once every couple of days for a couple of hours.
They can't understand what they've never experienced in fast charging. >>>>>
Better question:
Are you using your phone while you're asleep?
Fast charging is not needed and nobody wants it.
On 2023-08-22 17:58, Ankora wrote:
On 2023-08-22, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:
Why would you "force" anyone to buy a charger with a phone when they >>>>> may
very well already have one that works?
exactly.
Exactly. When you buy a new car, you always take can of gas with you.
Nobody expects there to be any gas in the tank!
It's more like buying a Ferrari and not getting any tires with it.
Nope.
It's not like that in the slightest.
Every car needs its tires all the time it's in use.
A phone needs a charger easily less than 8 hours out of every 24.
On 2023-08-23, *Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23, sms <[email protected]> wrote:I guess nobody needs fast charging
On 8/22/2023 6:03 PM, Lord Vader wrote:
<snip>
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any
old charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of the
road, have never themselves ever experienced the joys of a modern
fast-charge.
I'm sure that you understand that the people claiming that you
should use an old, slow, charger don't actually believe what they
are claiming!
The only people I see here talking about telling others what to do
are you two idiots. Nothing you can say will change that there are
many people who already have power adapters and charge cables when
they get a new device, and it would be quite wasteful for them to
just stop using them. A whole lot of people have no need for fast
charging - a lot of people charge overnight where fast charging makes
no difference whatsoever. You trolls *desperately* want to push your
"everybody needs fast charging" propaganda because it's the only way
your little troll works. But it's simply not true. And the amount of
time you spend trolling about this day in and day out is frankly
pathetic. Your trolls are a colossal waste of electrons and time.
Yet again the only person I see saying that is you. You guys just can't
help but lie, can you? You're not interested in good-faith discussion -
you are just here to troll.
*Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 21:12, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Why ask that when I can charge while I eat breakfast?
Lord Vader <[email protected]> wrote:
On 8/22/2023 10:22 PM, badgolferman wrote:Who the fuck still charges overnight? Reads the room. Apparently way too >>>> many people with old plugs. Sad.
Do you imagine that everyone who owns an iPhone 12 or later has only >>>>>>> a single device requiring a charger?
We were talking about owners of iPhone 12 or earlier. Someone with an >>>>>> older phone would have bought that one and been without a fast charger >>>>>> now. We don't care about slow chargers, we want fast ones to go with >>>>>> the fast charging circuitry in the new phone. I certainly never had >>>>>> one until I bought the 12 and forced the salesman to throw one in.
I have to agree with you that the fast charging takes only an hour or two >>>>> (at most) to fully charge a battery from nothing to full nowadays.
That's what the phone was designed for - and what you paid good money for.
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any old >>>>> charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of the road, have >>>>> never themselves ever experienced the joys of a modern fast-charge.
They're desperate to plug the phone into the wall so it charges all night.
Meanwhile, everyone else just pops it on the proper fast PD/QC charger only
when it needs it, which is once every couple of days for a couple of hours.
They can't understand what they've never experienced in fast charging. >>>>>
Better question:
Are you using your phone while you're asleep?
Fast charging is not needed and nobody wants it.
On 2023-08-23, *Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 21:09, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Go charge your phone now. We’ll wait until tomorrow morning.
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23, sms <[email protected]> wrote:I guess nobody needs fast charging then, especially me, who likes it
On 8/22/2023 6:03 PM, Lord Vader wrote:
<snip>
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any >>>>>>> old charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of the >>>>>>> road, have never themselves ever experienced the joys of a modern >>>>>>> fast-charge.
I'm sure that you understand that the people claiming that you
should use an old, slow, charger don't actually believe what they
are claiming!
The only people I see here talking about telling others what to do
are you two idiots. Nothing you can say will change that there are
many people who already have power adapters and charge cables when
they get a new device, and it would be quite wasteful for them to
just stop using them. A whole lot of people have no need for fast
charging - a lot of people charge overnight where fast charging
makes no difference whatsoever. You trolls *desperately* want to
push your "everybody needs fast charging" propaganda because it's
the only way your little troll works. But it's simply not true. And
the amount of time you spend trolling about this day in and day out
is frankly pathetic. Your trolls are a colossal waste of electrons
and time.
immensely. Must be deluded.
Straw... ...man.
Ever heard of it?
Imagine actually being *upset* that people are perfectly happy charging
their devices overnight while the sleep. You poor tormented soul!
everyone here wants to impose antiquated norms on people
Projection. It's you guys who have been literally spending *days* and
*days* right here bitching and moaning that fast charging is downright *required* and definitely *must* be used by every Apple customer.
On 2023-08-23, *Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22, badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
In article <uc19to$28t5b$[email protected]>, Neil <[email protected]>
wrote:
Separately boxing, buying and shipping a proper charger to fit the >>>>>> new iPhone's designed charging specs will cause far more of an
overall carbon footprint
good thing they're not doing that.
Of course they are! How are owners of iPhone 12-14 fast charging
their phones as it was designed to do so?
Are you actually trying to claim those who don't fast charge since
they charge overnight anyway and those who simply continue to use
their existing power adapters and cables somehow don't exist? Or are
you claiming the number is only a small percentage of customers?
Either way, you're going to have to cough up some evidence or we'll
just assume you and your troll buddies are lying as usual in order to
troll.
I’m sure people are still using distributors and carburetors
Another dumb comparison from the troll gang...
Fuck slow charging. It’s for obsolete cave dwellers.
Insults mean you have nothing.
On 2023-08-23, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:
*Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 21:12, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Why ask that when I can charge while I eat breakfast?
Lord Vader <[email protected]> wrote:
On 8/22/2023 10:22 PM, badgolferman wrote:Who the fuck still charges overnight? Reads the room. Apparently way too >>>>> many people with old plugs. Sad.
I have to agree with you that the fast charging takes only an hour or twoDo you imagine that everyone who owns an iPhone 12 or later has only >>>>>>>> a single device requiring a charger?
We were talking about owners of iPhone 12 or earlier. Someone with an >>>>>>> older phone would have bought that one and been without a fast charger >>>>>>> now. We don't care about slow chargers, we want fast ones to go with >>>>>>> the fast charging circuitry in the new phone. I certainly never had >>>>>>> one until I bought the 12 and forced the salesman to throw one in. >>>>>>
(at most) to fully charge a battery from nothing to full nowadays. >>>>>>
That's what the phone was designed for - and what you paid good money for.
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any old >>>>>> charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of the road, have >>>>>> never themselves ever experienced the joys of a modern fast-charge. >>>>>>
They're desperate to plug the phone into the wall so it charges all night.
Meanwhile, everyone else just pops it on the proper fast PD/QC charger only
when it needs it, which is once every couple of days for a couple of hours.
They can't understand what they've never experienced in fast charging. >>>>>>
Better question:
Are you using your phone while you're asleep?
Fast charging is not needed and nobody wants it.
*YAWN* Your lame attempt at humor is cringe.
Alan wrote:
On 2023-08-22 13:27, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
Of course they are! How are owners of iPhone 12-14 fast charging
their phones as it was designed to do so?
With fast chargers they already own?
That is utterly asinine! Why would an iPhone owner need a fast
charger before iPhone 12?
Do you imagine that everyone who owns an iPhone 12 or later has only
a single device requiring a charger?
We were talking about owners of iPhone 12 or earlier. Someone with an
older phone would have bought that one and been without a fast charger
now. We don't care about slow chargers, we want fast ones to go with
the fast charging circuitry in the new phone. I certainly never had
one until I bought the 12 and forced the salesman to throw one in.
On 2023-08-22 15:25, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
Even if they did have a suitable PD charger (for example, from an
iPad), they aren't going to stoop so low as to share it with family
members, especially if both devices needs to be charged overnight
at the same time.
"stoop so low" as to share a device which no one needs for more than
a few hours of the day?
Do you wake up at night and swap chargers to other devices? How many
fast chargers did you have to buy? Would you have been okay with your
shiny new iMac being sold to you without a charger?
If charging overnight is all that's required, then you don't NEED a fast charger, agreed?
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22, badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:I’m sure people are still using distributors and carburetors because that’s
nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
In article <uc19to$28t5b$[email protected]>, Neil <[email protected]>
wrote:
Separately boxing, buying and shipping a proper charger to fit the
new iPhone's designed charging specs will cause far more of an
overall carbon footprint
good thing they're not doing that.
Of course they are! How are owners of iPhone 12-14 fast charging their
phones as it was designed to do so?
Are you actually trying to claim those who don't fast charge since they
charge overnight anyway and those who simply continue to use their
existing power adapters and cables somehow don't exist? Or are you
claiming the number is only a small percentage of customers? Either way,
you're going to have to cough up some evidence or we'll just assume you
and your troll buddies are lying as usual in order to troll.
what grandpa always bragged about in his AMC Gremlin. Back in my day we
used to hand crank our cars and we liked it. I’m a cranky old man!
Fuck slow charging. It’s for obsolete cave dwellers.
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 21:09, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Go charge your phone now. We’ll wait until tomorrow morning.
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23, sms <[email protected]> wrote:I guess nobody needs fast charging then, especially me, who likes it
On 8/22/2023 6:03 PM, Lord Vader wrote:
<snip>
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any old >>>>>> charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of the road, >>>>>> have never themselves ever experienced the joys of a modern
fast-charge.
I'm sure that you understand that the people claiming that you should >>>>> use an old, slow, charger don't actually believe what they are
claiming!
The only people I see here talking about telling others what to do are >>>> you two idiots. Nothing you can say will change that there are many
people who already have power adapters and charge cables when they get a >>>> new device, and it would be quite wasteful for them to just stop using >>>> them. A whole lot of people have no need for fast charging - a lot of
people charge overnight where fast charging makes no difference
whatsoever. You trolls *desperately* want to push your "everybody needs >>>> fast charging" propaganda because it's the only way your little troll
works. But it's simply not true. And the amount of time you spend
trolling about this day in and day out is frankly pathetic. Your trolls >>>> are a colossal waste of electrons and time.
immensely. Must be deluded.
Straw... ...man.
Ever heard of it?
Fast charging is great when you forget to plug in your phone before you
sleep or you have a short window of time to charge. But apparently everyone here wants to impose antiquated norms on people who dare question Apple’s presumed best choices ever.
*Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 21:12, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Why ask that when I can charge while I eat breakfast?
Lord Vader <[email protected]> wrote:
On 8/22/2023 10:22 PM, badgolferman wrote:Who the fuck still charges overnight? Reads the room. Apparently way too >>>> many people with old plugs. Sad.
Do you imagine that everyone who owns an iPhone 12 or later has only >>>>>>> a single device requiring a charger?
We were talking about owners of iPhone 12 or earlier. Someone with an >>>>>> older phone would have bought that one and been without a fast charger >>>>>> now. We don't care about slow chargers, we want fast ones to go with >>>>>> the fast charging circuitry in the new phone. I certainly never had >>>>>> one until I bought the 12 and forced the salesman to throw one in.
I have to agree with you that the fast charging takes only an hour or two >>>>> (at most) to fully charge a battery from nothing to full nowadays.
That's what the phone was designed for - and what you paid good money for.
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any old >>>>> charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of the road, have >>>>> never themselves ever experienced the joys of a modern fast-charge.
They're desperate to plug the phone into the wall so it charges all night.
Meanwhile, everyone else just pops it on the proper fast PD/QC charger only
when it needs it, which is once every couple of days for a couple of hours.
They can't understand what they've never experienced in fast charging. >>>>>
Better question:
Are you using your phone while you're asleep?
Fast charging is not needed and nobody wants it.
badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
Alan wrote:WTF is wrong with you. Patience is a virtue. People want things done now
On 2023-08-22 13:27, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
Of course they are! How are owners of iPhone 12-14 fast charging
their phones as it was designed to do so?
With fast chargers they already own?
That is utterly asinine! Why would an iPhone owner need a fast
charger before iPhone 12?
Do you imagine that everyone who owns an iPhone 12 or later has only
a single device requiring a charger?
We were talking about owners of iPhone 12 or earlier. Someone with an
older phone would have bought that one and been without a fast charger
now. We don't care about slow chargers, we want fast ones to go with
the fast charging circuitry in the new phone. I certainly never had
one until I bought the 12 and forced the salesman to throw one in.
and can’t wait so many hours for a phone to charge when it can be done relatively quickly. You probably prefer quicker download speeds too. You should have stayed on dial-up instead.
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 15:25, badgolferman wrote:I’m going back to dialup speeds then too.
Alan wrote:
Even if they did have a suitable PD charger (for example, from an
iPad), they aren't going to stoop so low as to share it with family
members, especially if both devices needs to be charged overnight
at the same time.
"stoop so low" as to share a device which no one needs for more than
a few hours of the day?
Do you wake up at night and swap chargers to other devices? How many
fast chargers did you have to buy? Would you have been okay with your
shiny new iMac being sold to you without a charger?
If charging overnight is all that's required, then you don't NEED a fast
charger, agreed?
People forget to put their phone on the charger like they forget to put
their clothes in the dryer. It’s great to go from 30% when I’m waking up to
92% or so when I leave my house. I look askance at people who are denying this quickness as a necessity to others because they are stuck charging
with a waterwheel or hand crank.
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:Shouldn’t you be plugging in to overnight charge soon? I can literally go on for hours with my 52% charged iphone 13 from yesterday morning and stop for a hour or so to recharge but still use my USB-C ipad and then come back to the phone while you are waiting for an antiquated recharge. Hah! Good
*Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 21:12, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Why ask that when I can charge while I eat breakfast?
Lord Vader <[email protected]> wrote:
On 8/22/2023 10:22 PM, badgolferman wrote:Who the fuck still charges overnight? Reads the room. Apparently way too >>>>>> many people with old plugs. Sad.
I have to agree with you that the fast charging takes only an hour or twoDo you imagine that everyone who owns an iPhone 12 or later has only >>>>>>>>> a single device requiring a charger?
We were talking about owners of iPhone 12 or earlier. Someone with an >>>>>>>> older phone would have bought that one and been without a fast charger >>>>>>>> now. We don't care about slow chargers, we want fast ones to go with >>>>>>>> the fast charging circuitry in the new phone. I certainly never had >>>>>>>> one until I bought the 12 and forced the salesman to throw one in. >>>>>>>
(at most) to fully charge a battery from nothing to full nowadays. >>>>>>>
That's what the phone was designed for - and what you paid good money for.
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any old >>>>>>> charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of the road, have
never themselves ever experienced the joys of a modern fast-charge. >>>>>>>
They're desperate to plug the phone into the wall so it charges all night.
Meanwhile, everyone else just pops it on the proper fast PD/QC charger only
when it needs it, which is once every couple of days for a couple of hours.
They can't understand what they've never experienced in fast charging. >>>>>>>
Better question:
Are you using your phone while you're asleep?
Fast charging is not needed and nobody wants it.
*YAWN* Your lame attempt at humor is cringe.
luck with that archaic boy.
Meanwhile, everyone else just pops it on the proper fast PD/QC charger only >> when it needs it, which is once every couple of days for a couple of hours. >>Who the fuck still charges overnight? Reads the room. Apparently way too
They can't understand what they've never experienced in fast charging.
many people with old plugs. Sad.
I do. Remove it from my cold dead fingers.Are you using your phone while you're asleep?Why ask that when I can charge while I eat breakfast?
Fast charging is not needed and nobody wants it.
On 2023-08-22 21:20, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 21:12, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Why ask that when I can charge while I eat breakfast?
Lord Vader <[email protected]> wrote:
On 8/22/2023 10:22 PM, badgolferman wrote:Who the fuck still charges overnight? Reads the room. Apparently way too >>>> many people with old plugs. Sad.
Do you imagine that everyone who owns an iPhone 12 or later has only >>>>>>> a single device requiring a charger?
We were talking about owners of iPhone 12 or earlier. Someone with an >>>>>> older phone would have bought that one and been without a fast charger >>>>>> now. We don't care about slow chargers, we want fast ones to go with >>>>>> the fast charging circuitry in the new phone. I certainly never had >>>>>> one until I bought the 12 and forced the salesman to throw one in.
I have to agree with you that the fast charging takes only an hour or two >>>>> (at most) to fully charge a battery from nothing to full nowadays.
That's what the phone was designed for - and what you paid good money for.
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any old >>>>> charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of the road, have >>>>> never themselves ever experienced the joys of a modern fast-charge.
They're desperate to plug the phone into the wall so it charges all night.
Meanwhile, everyone else just pops it on the proper fast PD/QC charger only
when it needs it, which is once every couple of days for a couple of hours.
They can't understand what they've never experienced in fast charging. >>>>>
Better question:
Are you using your phone while you're asleep?
Why would you particularly WANT to do so?
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 17:58, Ankora wrote:With fast charging the need is much lower than that. How the hell is
On 2023-08-22, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:
Why would you "force" anyone to buy a charger with a phone when
they may very well already have one that works?
exactly.
Exactly. When you buy a new car, you always take can of gas with
you. Nobody expects there to be any gas in the tank!
It's more like buying a Ferrari and not getting any tires with it.
Nope.
It's not like that in the slightest.
Every car needs its tires all the time it's in use.
A phone needs a charger easily less than 8 hours out of every 24.
it that people are pushing antiquated practices when they can wake up
and quickly charge their phone
I guess providing new chargers eats into Apple profits
people here are more about Apple revenue than customer’s actually benefiting.
On 2023-08-22 21:39, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
How the hell is it that people are pushing antiquated practices when
they can wake up and quickly charge their phone or charge it between
getting home from work and leaving to go out on the town or any other
greatly truncated scenario?
I wake up every morning, and my phone is charged to 100%.
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23, *Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:Says the hypocritical insulter.
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22, badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
In article <uc19to$28t5b$[email protected]>, Neil <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote:
Separately boxing, buying and shipping a proper charger to fit
the new iPhone's designed charging specs will cause far more of
an overall carbon footprint
good thing they're not doing that.
Of course they are! How are owners of iPhone 12-14 fast charging
their phones as it was designed to do so?
Are you actually trying to claim those who don't fast charge since
they charge overnight anyway and those who simply continue to use
their existing power adapters and cables somehow don't exist? Or
are you claiming the number is only a small percentage of
customers? Either way, you're going to have to cough up some
evidence or we'll just assume you and your troll buddies are lying
as usual in order to troll.
I’m sure people are still using distributors and carburetors
Another dumb comparison from the troll gang...
Fuck slow charging. It’s for obsolete cave dwellers.
Insults mean you have nothing.
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 15:25, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
Even if they did have a suitable PD charger (for example, from an
iPad), they aren't going to stoop so low as to share it with
family members, especially if both devices needs to be charged
overnight at the same time.
"stoop so low" as to share a device which no one needs for more
than a few hours of the day?
Do you wake up at night and swap chargers to other devices? How
many fast chargers did you have to buy? Would you have been okay
with your shiny new iMac being sold to you without a charger?
If charging overnight is all that's required, then you don't NEED a
fast charger, agreed?
I’m going back to dialup speeds then too.
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23, *Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:I just started. I haven’t been doing it for days liar.
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 21:09, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Go charge your phone now. We’ll wait until tomorrow morning.
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23, sms <[email protected]> wrote:I guess nobody needs fast charging then, especially me, who likes
On 8/22/2023 6:03 PM, Lord Vader wrote:
<snip>
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using
any old charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side >>>>>>>> of the road, have never themselves ever experienced the joys of >>>>>>>> a modern fast-charge.
I'm sure that you understand that the people claiming that you
should use an old, slow, charger don't actually believe what
they are claiming!
The only people I see here talking about telling others what to
do are you two idiots. Nothing you can say will change that there
are many people who already have power adapters and charge cables
when they get a new device, and it would be quite wasteful for
them to just stop using them. A whole lot of people have no need
for fast charging - a lot of people charge overnight where fast
charging makes no difference whatsoever. You trolls *desperately*
want to push your "everybody needs fast charging" propaganda
because it's the only way your little troll works. But it's
simply not true. And the amount of time you spend trolling about
this day in and day out is frankly pathetic. Your trolls are a
colossal waste of electrons and time.
it immensely. Must be deluded.
Straw... ...man.
Ever heard of it?
Imagine actually being *upset* that people are perfectly happy
charging their devices overnight while the sleep. You poor tormented
soul!
everyone here wants to impose antiquated norms on people
Projection. It's you guys who have been literally spending *days* and
*days* right here bitching and moaning that fast charging is
downright *required* and definitely *must* be used by every Apple
customer.
On 2023-08-22 21:48, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:Shouldn’t you be plugging in to overnight charge soon? I can
*Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:
Fast charging is not needed and nobody wants it.
*YAWN* Your lame attempt at humor is cringe.
literally go on for hours with my 52% charged iphone 13 from
yesterday morning and stop for a hour or so to recharge but still use
my USB-C ipad and then come back to the phone while you are waiting
for an antiquated recharge. Hah! Good luck with that archaic boy.
I don't have a fast charger...
...but somehow I manage to get through every day without my phone
running down.
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:Shouldn’t you be plugging in to overnight charge soon?
*Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 21:12, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Why ask that when I can charge while I eat breakfast?
Lord Vader <[email protected]> wrote:
On 8/22/2023 10:22 PM, badgolferman wrote:Who the fuck still charges overnight? Reads the room. Apparently
Do you imagine that everyone who owns an iPhone 12 or later
has only a single device requiring a charger?
We were talking about owners of iPhone 12 or earlier. Someone >>>>>>>> with an older phone would have bought that one and been without >>>>>>>> a fast charger now. We don't care about slow chargers, we want >>>>>>>> fast ones to go with the fast charging circuitry in the new
phone. I certainly never had one until I bought the 12 and
forced the salesman to throw one in.
I have to agree with you that the fast charging takes only an
hour or two (at most) to fully charge a battery from nothing to
full nowadays.
That's what the phone was designed for - and what you paid good
money for.
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any >>>>>>> old charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of
the road, have never themselves ever experienced the joys of a
modern fast-charge.
They're desperate to plug the phone into the wall so it charges
all night.
Meanwhile, everyone else just pops it on the proper fast PD/QC
charger only when it needs it, which is once every couple of
days for a couple of hours.
They can't understand what they've never experienced in fast
charging.
way too many people with old plugs. Sad.
Better question:
Are you using your phone while you're asleep?
Fast charging is not needed and nobody wants it.
*YAWN* Your lame attempt at humor is cringe.
I can blah blah blah.
On 2023-08-22 22:08, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
Alan wrote:WTF is wrong with you. Patience is a virtue. People want things done
On 2023-08-22 13:27, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
Of course they are! How are owners of iPhone 12-14 fast charging >>>>>>> their phones as it was designed to do so?
With fast chargers they already own?
That is utterly asinine! Why would an iPhone owner need a fast
charger before iPhone 12?
Do you imagine that everyone who owns an iPhone 12 or later has
only a single device requiring a charger?
We were talking about owners of iPhone 12 or earlier. Someone with
an older phone would have bought that one and been without a fast
charger now. We don't care about slow chargers, we want fast ones
to go with the fast charging circuitry in the new phone. I
certainly never had one until I bought the 12 and forced the
salesman to throw one in.
now and can’t wait so many hours for a phone to charge when it can be
done relatively quickly. You probably prefer quicker download speeds
too. You should have stayed on dial-up instead.
It takes no patience to sleep after I've plugged in my phone.
*Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:
Meanwhile, everyone else just pops it on the proper fast PD/QC charger only >>> when it needs it, which is once every couple of days for a couple of hours. >>>Who the fuck still charges overnight? Reads the room. Apparently way too
They can't understand what they've never experienced in fast charging.
many people with old plugs. Sad.
I think you've hit the nail on the head with your example of using US Robotics dial-up modems instead of fast Internet as a good analogy.
And, I think you're correct they've never experienced the luxury of being able to charge when the phone needs it - for an hour or two. As needed.
I think you're also correct they'll back up Apple's decisions at all costs.
On 23 Aug 2023 at 5:40:55 AM, *Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:
I do. Remove it from my cold dead fingers.Are you using your phone while you're asleep?Why ask that when I can charge while I eat breakfast?
Fast charging is not needed and nobody wants it.
I love being able to charge in the time it takes me to eat my breakfast!
A simple analogy of what they're suggesting is that Apple says you already have plenty of old VGA monitors lying around the house so use them instead
of the 4K monitor graphics spec that the device was designed to work with.
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 21:20, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Because I can.
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 21:12, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Why ask that when I can charge while I eat breakfast?
Lord Vader <[email protected]> wrote:
On 8/22/2023 10:22 PM, badgolferman wrote:Who the fuck still charges overnight? Reads the room. Apparently way too >>>>> many people with old plugs. Sad.
I have to agree with you that the fast charging takes only an hour or twoDo you imagine that everyone who owns an iPhone 12 or later has only >>>>>>>> a single device requiring a charger?
We were talking about owners of iPhone 12 or earlier. Someone with an >>>>>>> older phone would have bought that one and been without a fast charger >>>>>>> now. We don't care about slow chargers, we want fast ones to go with >>>>>>> the fast charging circuitry in the new phone. I certainly never had >>>>>>> one until I bought the 12 and forced the salesman to throw one in. >>>>>>
(at most) to fully charge a battery from nothing to full nowadays. >>>>>>
That's what the phone was designed for - and what you paid good money for.
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any old >>>>>> charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of the road, have >>>>>> never themselves ever experienced the joys of a modern fast-charge. >>>>>>
They're desperate to plug the phone into the wall so it charges all night.
Meanwhile, everyone else just pops it on the proper fast PD/QC charger only
when it needs it, which is once every couple of days for a couple of hours.
They can't understand what they've never experienced in fast charging. >>>>>>
Better question:
Are you using your phone while you're asleep?
Why would you particularly WANT to do so?
On 2023-08-23, *Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:Shouldn’t you be plugging in to overnight charge soon?
*Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 21:12, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Why ask that when I can charge while I eat breakfast?
Lord Vader <[email protected]> wrote:
On 8/22/2023 10:22 PM, badgolferman wrote:Who the fuck still charges overnight? Reads the room. Apparently >>>>>>> way too many people with old plugs. Sad.
Do you imagine that everyone who owns an iPhone 12 or later >>>>>>>>>> has only a single device requiring a charger?
We were talking about owners of iPhone 12 or earlier. Someone >>>>>>>>> with an older phone would have bought that one and been without >>>>>>>>> a fast charger now. We don't care about slow chargers, we want >>>>>>>>> fast ones to go with the fast charging circuitry in the new
phone. I certainly never had one until I bought the 12 and
forced the salesman to throw one in.
I have to agree with you that the fast charging takes only an
hour or two (at most) to fully charge a battery from nothing to >>>>>>>> full nowadays.
That's what the phone was designed for - and what you paid good >>>>>>>> money for.
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any >>>>>>>> old charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of
the road, have never themselves ever experienced the joys of a >>>>>>>> modern fast-charge.
They're desperate to plug the phone into the wall so it charges >>>>>>>> all night.
Meanwhile, everyone else just pops it on the proper fast PD/QC >>>>>>>> charger only when it needs it, which is once every couple of
days for a couple of hours.
They can't understand what they've never experienced in fast
charging.
Better question:
Are you using your phone while you're asleep?
Fast charging is not needed and nobody wants it.
*YAWN* Your lame attempt at humor is cringe.
I just woke up to a fully charged device, as I have every morning for
the past decade. 🙂
On 2023-08-23 07:56, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-23, *Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:Shouldn’t you be plugging in to overnight charge soon?
*Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 21:12, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Why ask that when I can charge while I eat breakfast?
Lord Vader <[email protected]> wrote:
On 8/22/2023 10:22 PM, badgolferman wrote:Who the fuck still charges overnight? Reads the room. Apparently >>>>>>>> way too many people with old plugs. Sad.
Do you imagine that everyone who owns an iPhone 12 or later >>>>>>>>>>> has only a single device requiring a charger?
We were talking about owners of iPhone 12 or earlier. Someone >>>>>>>>>> with an older phone would have bought that one and been without >>>>>>>>>> a fast charger now. We don't care about slow chargers, we want >>>>>>>>>> fast ones to go with the fast charging circuitry in the new >>>>>>>>>> phone. I certainly never had one until I bought the 12 and >>>>>>>>>> forced the salesman to throw one in.
I have to agree with you that the fast charging takes only an >>>>>>>>> hour or two (at most) to fully charge a battery from nothing to >>>>>>>>> full nowadays.
That's what the phone was designed for - and what you paid good >>>>>>>>> money for.
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any >>>>>>>>> old charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of >>>>>>>>> the road, have never themselves ever experienced the joys of a >>>>>>>>> modern fast-charge.
They're desperate to plug the phone into the wall so it charges >>>>>>>>> all night.
Meanwhile, everyone else just pops it on the proper fast PD/QC >>>>>>>>> charger only when it needs it, which is once every couple of >>>>>>>>> days for a couple of hours.
They can't understand what they've never experienced in fast >>>>>>>>> charging.
Better question:
Are you using your phone while you're asleep?
Fast charging is not needed and nobody wants it.
*YAWN* Your lame attempt at humor is cringe.
I just woke up to a fully charged device, as I have every morning for
the past decade. 🙂
Me too! But I only used a 5W cube (which I've probably had for a decade)
so that can't be right...
;-)
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23, *Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:I’ve spent less than 24 hours bickering and managed to get a fast charge in.
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 17:58, Ankora wrote:With fast charging the need is much lower than that. How the hell is
On 2023-08-22, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:
Why would you "force" anyone to buy a charger with a phone when >>>>>>>> they may very well already have one that works?
exactly.
Exactly. When you buy a new car, you always take can of gas with
you. Nobody expects there to be any gas in the tank!
It's more like buying a Ferrari and not getting any tires with it.
Nope.
It's not like that in the slightest.
Every car needs its tires all the time it's in use.
A phone needs a charger easily less than 8 hours out of every 24.
it that people are pushing antiquated practices when they can wake up
and quickly charge their phone
Because their so-called "antiquated practices" result in their phone
being fully charged when they wake up, so there's no need for fast
charging.
I guess providing new chargers eats into Apple profits
Nah. But throwing thousands of power adapters at people who don't need
or use them is wasteful.
people here are more about Apple revenue than customer’s actually
benefiting.
Nah. Your little troll gang just refuse to acknowledge that many folks
have no need for yet another power adapter or fast charging because:
troll. You are so pissed about this that you spend literal days and
weeks here bickering about it. It's pathetic.
On 2023-08-23, *Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 15:25, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
Even if they did have a suitable PD charger (for example, from an
iPad), they aren't going to stoop so low as to share it with
family members, especially if both devices needs to be charged
overnight at the same time.
"stoop so low" as to share a device which no one needs for more
than a few hours of the day?
Do you wake up at night and swap chargers to other devices? How
many fast chargers did you have to buy? Would you have been okay
with your shiny new iMac being sold to you without a charger?
If charging overnight is all that's required, then you don't NEED a
fast charger, agreed?
I’m going back to dialup speeds then too.
Do whatever you want. Nobody asked *you* to do anything. You're like a
COVID denier - it absolutely upsets your tender emotions merely seeing another person wearing a mask. If you had any self awareness, you'd be embarrassed.
On 2023-08-23, *Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 17:58, Ankora wrote:With fast charging the need is much lower than that. How the hell is
On 2023-08-22, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:
Why would you "force" anyone to buy a charger with a phone when
they may very well already have one that works?
exactly.
Exactly. When you buy a new car, you always take can of gas with
you. Nobody expects there to be any gas in the tank!
It's more like buying a Ferrari and not getting any tires with it.
Nope.
It's not like that in the slightest.
Every car needs its tires all the time it's in use.
A phone needs a charger easily less than 8 hours out of every 24.
it that people are pushing antiquated practices when they can wake up
and quickly charge their phone
Because their so-called "antiquated practices" result in their phone
being fully charged when they wake up, so there's no need for fast
charging.
I guess providing new chargers eats into Apple profits
Nah. But throwing thousands of power adapters at people who don't need
or use them is wasteful.
people here are more about Apple revenue than customer’s actually
benefiting.
Nah. Your little troll gang just refuse to acknowledge that many folks
have no need for yet another power adapter or fast charging because:
troll. You are so pissed about this that you spend literal days and
weeks here bickering about it. It's pathetic.
On 2023-08-23 05:52, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 21:20, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Because I can.
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 21:12, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Why ask that when I can charge while I eat breakfast?
Lord Vader <[email protected]> wrote:
On 8/22/2023 10:22 PM, badgolferman wrote:Who the fuck still charges overnight? Reads the room. Apparently way too >>>>>> many people with old plugs. Sad.
I have to agree with you that the fast charging takes only an hour or twoDo you imagine that everyone who owns an iPhone 12 or later has only >>>>>>>>> a single device requiring a charger?
We were talking about owners of iPhone 12 or earlier. Someone with an >>>>>>>> older phone would have bought that one and been without a fast charger >>>>>>>> now. We don't care about slow chargers, we want fast ones to go with >>>>>>>> the fast charging circuitry in the new phone. I certainly never had >>>>>>>> one until I bought the 12 and forced the salesman to throw one in. >>>>>>>
(at most) to fully charge a battery from nothing to full nowadays. >>>>>>>
That's what the phone was designed for - and what you paid good money for.
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any old >>>>>>> charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of the road, have
never themselves ever experienced the joys of a modern fast-charge. >>>>>>>
They're desperate to plug the phone into the wall so it charges all night.
Meanwhile, everyone else just pops it on the proper fast PD/QC charger only
when it needs it, which is once every couple of days for a couple of hours.
They can't understand what they've never experienced in fast charging. >>>>>>>
Better question:
Are you using your phone while you're asleep?
Why would you particularly WANT to do so?
So it really isn't something you want to do.
Got it.
What I want is for my phone to be charged when I get up in the morning,
and despite just using a 5W cube, it always is!
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 05:52, *Hemidactylus* wrote:I actually want to and can. Everybody should.
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 21:20, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Because I can.
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 21:12, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Why ask that when I can charge while I eat breakfast?
Lord Vader <[email protected]> wrote:
On 8/22/2023 10:22 PM, badgolferman wrote:Who the fuck still charges overnight? Reads the room. Apparently way too
I have to agree with you that the fast charging takes only an hour or twoDo you imagine that everyone who owns an iPhone 12 or later has only >>>>>>>>>> a single device requiring a charger?
We were talking about owners of iPhone 12 or earlier. Someone with an
older phone would have bought that one and been without a fast charger
now. We don't care about slow chargers, we want fast ones to go with >>>>>>>>> the fast charging circuitry in the new phone. I certainly never had >>>>>>>>> one until I bought the 12 and forced the salesman to throw one in. >>>>>>>>
(at most) to fully charge a battery from nothing to full nowadays. >>>>>>>>
That's what the phone was designed for - and what you paid good money for.
I think these illogical people who argue you should be using any old >>>>>>>> charger that you found at a garage sale or on the side of the road, have
never themselves ever experienced the joys of a modern fast-charge. >>>>>>>>
They're desperate to plug the phone into the wall so it charges all night.
Meanwhile, everyone else just pops it on the proper fast PD/QC charger only
when it needs it, which is once every couple of days for a couple of hours.
They can't understand what they've never experienced in fast charging. >>>>>>>>
many people with old plugs. Sad.
Better question:
Are you using your phone while you're asleep?
Why would you particularly WANT to do so?
So it really isn't something you want to do.
Nope you really don’t.
Got it.
Mine gets there much faster. You’re just lapped traffic.
What I want is for my phone to be charged when I get up in the morning,
and despite just using a 5W cube, it always is!
Who the fuck still charges overnight? Reads the room. Apparently way too
many people with old plugs. Sad.
Exactly. When you buy a new car, you always take can of gas with you.
Nobody expects there to be any gas in the tank!
I guess nobody needs fast charging then, especially me, who likes it immensely. Must be deluded.
I’m sure people are still using distributors and carburetors because that’s
what grandpa always bragged about in his AMC Gremlin. Back in my day we
used to hand crank our cars and we liked it. I’m a cranky old man!
Fuck slow charging. It’s for obsolete cave dwellers.
Fast charging is not needed and nobody wants it.
With fast charging the need is much lower than that. How the hell is it
that people are pushing antiquated practices when they can wake up and quickly charge their phone or charge it between getting home from work and leaving to go out on the town or any other greatly truncated scenario? I guess providing new chargers eats into Apple profits and people here are
more about Apple revenue than customer’s actually benefiting. No surprise there.
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
What I want is for my phone to be charged when I get up in the morning,Mine gets there much faster. You’re just lapped traffic.
and despite just using a 5W cube, it always is!
On 2023-08-23 00:09, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
I guess nobody needs fast charging then, especially me, who likes it
immensely. Must be deluded.
Is there a need? For those with that need: fine. Do note that such
heats the battery more and therefore the battery life is reduced.
OTOH,
Many (most) people don't have that need, however. Charging overnight
does the job.
Indeed, I'll be buying a widget that will stop charging my iPhone when
it gets to 80% charge. This will prolong the battery life, as will
avoiding the battery heating that fast charging induces.
On 2023-08-23 00:19, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
I’m sure people are still using distributors and carburetors because that’s
what grandpa always bragged about in his AMC Gremlin. Back in my day we
used to hand crank our cars and we liked it. I’m a cranky old man!
Poor analogy. Maybe focus on how fast gasoline could be loaded into the
car would be more apt. Of course that also destroys your overall
argument for fast charging at all costs.
Fuck slow charging. It’s for obsolete cave dwellers.
Fast charging is for the few who really *need* it.
Want your battery to last longer? Charge it more slowly - perhaps while you're not using your phone: when you sleep and don't care at what rate
it charges.
On 2023-08-23 10:23, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23, *Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:I’ve spent less than 24 hours bickering and managed to get a fast charge >> in.
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 17:58, Ankora wrote:With fast charging the need is much lower than that. How the hell is
On 2023-08-22, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:
Why would you "force" anyone to buy a charger with a phone when >>>>>>>>> they may very well already have one that works?
exactly.
Exactly. When you buy a new car, you always take can of gas with >>>>>>> you. Nobody expects there to be any gas in the tank!
It's more like buying a Ferrari and not getting any tires with it.
Nope.
It's not like that in the slightest.
Every car needs its tires all the time it's in use.
A phone needs a charger easily less than 8 hours out of every 24.
it that people are pushing antiquated practices when they can wake up
and quickly charge their phone
Because their so-called "antiquated practices" result in their phone
being fully charged when they wake up, so there's no need for fast
charging.
I guess providing new chargers eats into Apple profits
Nah. But throwing thousands of power adapters at people who don't need
or use them is wasteful.
people here are more about Apple revenue than customer’s actually
benefiting.
Nah. Your little troll gang just refuse to acknowledge that many folks
have no need for yet another power adapter or fast charging because:
troll. You are so pissed about this that you spend literal days and
weeks here bickering about it. It's pathetic.
Great!
I've been on here as well, and my phone got charged too!
:-)
Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 00:09, *Hemidactylus* wrote:I bought my iphone 13 a year ago. I noticed today a huge drop in battery maximum capacity to 99%. Must be the fast charging I’ve done over the year that put my battery life into crisis mode. I lost 1% of its life. That’s 1% I will never get back.
I guess nobody needs fast charging then, especially me, who likes it
immensely. Must be deluded.
Is there a need? For those with that need: fine. Do note that such
heats the battery more and therefore the battery life is reduced.
OTOH,
Many (most) people don't have that need, however. Charging overnight
does the job.
Indeed, I'll be buying a widget that will stop charging my iPhone when
it gets to 80% charge. This will prolong the battery life, as will
avoiding the battery heating that fast charging induces.
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 10:23, *Hemidactylus* wrote:What’s funny is for the most part I’m a huge fan of my iphone and ipad. What the dustup here has been is charging speeds. I’m happy to charge quickly. There are foreseeable cases where that ability is far more convenient and I haven’t noticed any downsides. People might think I’m a troll. No I’m Adam Ant.
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23, *Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:I’ve spent less than 24 hours bickering and managed to get a fast charge >>> in.
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 17:58, Ankora wrote:With fast charging the need is much lower than that. How the hell is >>>>> it that people are pushing antiquated practices when they can wake up >>>>> and quickly charge their phone
On 2023-08-22, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:Nope.
Why would you "force" anyone to buy a charger with a phone when >>>>>>>>>> they may very well already have one that works?
exactly.
Exactly. When you buy a new car, you always take can of gas with >>>>>>>> you. Nobody expects there to be any gas in the tank!
It's more like buying a Ferrari and not getting any tires with it. >>>>>>
It's not like that in the slightest.
Every car needs its tires all the time it's in use.
A phone needs a charger easily less than 8 hours out of every 24.
Because their so-called "antiquated practices" result in their phone
being fully charged when they wake up, so there's no need for fast
charging.
I guess providing new chargers eats into Apple profits
Nah. But throwing thousands of power adapters at people who don't need >>>> or use them is wasteful.
people here are more about Apple revenue than customer’s actually
benefiting.
Nah. Your little troll gang just refuse to acknowledge that many folks >>>> have no need for yet another power adapter or fast charging because:
troll. You are so pissed about this that you spend literal days and
weeks here bickering about it. It's pathetic.
Great!
I've been on here as well, and my phone got charged too!
:-)
What's funny is for the most part I'm a huge fan of my iphone and ipad.
What the dustup here has been is charging speeds.
I'm happy to charge quickly.
There are foreseeable cases where that ability is far more
convenient and I haven't noticed any downsides.
People might think I'm a troll. No I'm Adam Ant.
BTW I'm one of those people who think whiners about losing the headphone
jack are deluded.
And with my bluetooth JBLs any Apple provided earbuds or
that Airpod$ contraption are ridiculous! I do still have a lightning to earphone jack adapter I no longer use.
*Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote
What's funny is for the most part I'm a huge fan of my iphone and ipad.
This isn't about the iPhone or the iPad but...
When someone picks up their phone at, say, 07:00 and it's fully charged
it doesn't matter which got to full charge first.
Indeed, Apple will not fully charge until very close to 07:00 - at 80%
it will stop - then resume to get it fully charged by 07:00 (actual time varies per ea. person's habits).
All this to prolong the battery life.
So fast/slow - doesn't matter.
Fuck slow charging. It�s for obsolete cave dwellers.
Fast charging is for the few who really *need* it.
On 2023-08-23 13:33, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
What I want is for my phone to be charged when I get up in theMine gets there much faster. You’re just lapped traffic.
morning, and despite just using a 5W cube, it always is!
When someone picks up their phone at, say, 07:00 and it's fully
charged it doesn't matter which got to full charge first.
Indeed, Apple will not fully charge until very close to 07:00 - at 80%
it will stop - then resume to get it fully charged by 07:00 (actual
time varies per ea. person's habits). All this to prolong the
battery life.
So fast/slow - doesn't matter.
Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote
When someone picks up their phone at, say, 07:00 and it's fully
charged it doesn't matter which got to full charge first.
That's like saying that being stuck in traffic is fine for you
Indeed, Apple will not fully charge until very close to 07:00 - at
80% it will stop - then resume to get it fully charged by 07:00
(actual time varies per ea. person's habits).
The strategic issue here isn't fast or slow (or port or no port) but
that Apple lied
the iTrolls *believe* all Apple's ludicrous lies about why.
All this to prolong the battery life.
Anyone who points out that Apple consistently decontents the iPhone is viciously attacked by Jolly Roger who doesn't like the truth pointed
out.
Meanwhile nospam repeatedly claims Samsung is who made Apple not only decontent iPhones but Samsung is who made Apple lie about why they did
it.
Alan Browne on the other hand faithfully parrots every lie Apple
concocts to make excuses for why they consistently decontent iPhones
every year.
So fast/slow - doesn't matter.
What's consistent is (a) Apple decontents the iPhone, and then (b)
Apple lies about why they decontented the iPhone & (c) the iTrolls
defend Apple.
On 2023-08-23 18:01, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 00:09, *Hemidactylus* wrote:I bought my iphone 13 a year ago. I noticed today a huge drop in battery
I guess nobody needs fast charging then, especially me, who likes it
immensely. Must be deluded.
Is there a need? For those with that need: fine. Do note that such
heats the battery more and therefore the battery life is reduced.
OTOH,
Many (most) people don't have that need, however. Charging overnight
does the job.
Indeed, I'll be buying a widget that will stop charging my iPhone when
it gets to 80% charge. This will prolong the battery life, as will
avoiding the battery heating that fast charging induces.
maximum capacity to 99%. Must be the fast charging I’ve done over the year >> that put my battery life into crisis mode. I lost 1% of its life. That’s 1%
I will never get back.
Sure - long term however. IAC given your shrill lack of logic, I'm not exactly bidding high on your goods.
On 2023-08-23 15:28, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 10:23, *Hemidactylus* wrote:What’s funny is for the most part I’m a huge fan of my iphone and ipad. >> What the dustup here has been is charging speeds. I’m happy to charge
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23, *Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:I’ve spent less than 24 hours bickering and managed to get a fast charge >>>> in.
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 17:58, Ankora wrote:With fast charging the need is much lower than that. How the hell is >>>>>> it that people are pushing antiquated practices when they can wake up >>>>>> and quickly charge their phone
On 2023-08-22, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:Nope.
Why would you "force" anyone to buy a charger with a phone when >>>>>>>>>>> they may very well already have one that works?
exactly.
Exactly. When you buy a new car, you always take can of gas with >>>>>>>>> you. Nobody expects there to be any gas in the tank!
It's more like buying a Ferrari and not getting any tires with it. >>>>>>>
It's not like that in the slightest.
Every car needs its tires all the time it's in use.
A phone needs a charger easily less than 8 hours out of every 24. >>>>>>>
Because their so-called "antiquated practices" result in their phone >>>>> being fully charged when they wake up, so there's no need for fast
charging.
I guess providing new chargers eats into Apple profits
Nah. But throwing thousands of power adapters at people who don't need >>>>> or use them is wasteful.
people here are more about Apple revenue than customer’s actually >>>>>> benefiting.
Nah. Your little troll gang just refuse to acknowledge that many folks >>>>> have no need for yet another power adapter or fast charging because: >>>>> troll. You are so pissed about this that you spend literal days and
weeks here bickering about it. It's pathetic.
Great!
I've been on here as well, and my phone got charged too!
:-)
quickly. There are foreseeable cases where that ability is far more
convenient and I haven’t noticed any downsides. People might think I’m a >> troll. No I’m Adam Ant.
Why are you "happy" about it?
Yes or no: do you charge your phone overnight?
Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote
When someone picks up their phone at, say, 07:00 and it's fully charged
it doesn't matter which got to full charge first.
That's like saying that being stuck in traffic is fine for you because eventually you get home - while others use the faster commuter lane
(that they paid a lot of good money for).
Indeed, Apple will not fully charge until very close to 07:00 - at 80%
it will stop - then resume to get it fully charged by 07:00 (actual time
varies per ea. person's habits).
The strategic issue here isn't fast or slow (or port or no port) but that Apple lied & the iTrolls *believe* all Apple's ludicrous lies about why.
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23, *Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:Blah blah blah
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 15:25, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
Even if they did have a suitable PD charger (for example, from
an iPad), they aren't going to stoop so low as to share it with
family members, especially if both devices needs to be charged
overnight at the same time.
"stoop so low" as to share a device which no one needs for more
than a few hours of the day?
Do you wake up at night and swap chargers to other devices? How
many fast chargers did you have to buy? Would you have been okay
with your shiny new iMac being sold to you without a charger?
If charging overnight is all that's required, then you don't NEED a
fast charger, agreed?
I’m going back to dialup speeds then too.
Do whatever you want. Nobody asked *you* to do anything. You're like
a COVID denier - it absolutely upsets your tender emotions merely
seeing another person wearing a mask. If you had any self awareness,
you'd be embarrassed.
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 15:28, *Hemidactylus* wrote:No.
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 10:23, *Hemidactylus* wrote:What’s funny is for the most part I’m a huge fan of my iphone and ipad. >>> What the dustup here has been is charging speeds. I’m happy to charge
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23, *Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote: >>>>>>> Alan <[email protected]> wrote:I’ve spent less than 24 hours bickering and managed to get a fast charge
On 2023-08-22 17:58, Ankora wrote:With fast charging the need is much lower than that. How the hell is >>>>>>> it that people are pushing antiquated practices when they can wake up >>>>>>> and quickly charge their phone
On 2023-08-22, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:Nope.
Why would you "force" anyone to buy a charger with a phone when >>>>>>>>>>>> they may very well already have one that works?
exactly.
Exactly. When you buy a new car, you always take can of gas with >>>>>>>>>> you. Nobody expects there to be any gas in the tank!
It's more like buying a Ferrari and not getting any tires with it. >>>>>>>>
It's not like that in the slightest.
Every car needs its tires all the time it's in use.
A phone needs a charger easily less than 8 hours out of every 24. >>>>>>>>
Because their so-called "antiquated practices" result in their phone >>>>>> being fully charged when they wake up, so there's no need for fast >>>>>> charging.
I guess providing new chargers eats into Apple profits
Nah. But throwing thousands of power adapters at people who don't need >>>>>> or use them is wasteful.
people here are more about Apple revenue than customer’s actually >>>>>>> benefiting.
Nah. Your little troll gang just refuse to acknowledge that many folks >>>>>> have no need for yet another power adapter or fast charging because: >>>>>> troll. You are so pissed about this that you spend literal days and >>>>>> weeks here bickering about it. It's pathetic.
in.
Great!
I've been on here as well, and my phone got charged too!
:-)
quickly. There are foreseeable cases where that ability is far more
convenient and I haven’t noticed any downsides. People might think I’m a
troll. No I’m Adam Ant.
Why are you "happy" about it?
Yes or no: do you charge your phone overnight?
BTW I’m one of those people who think whiners about losing the
headphone jack are deluded.
Get back to me when you stop getting your panties twisted over the fact
that many of us have no need for fast charging.
What's consistent is you snowflake trolls are irrefutably emotionally triggered by the fact that millions of people have no problem using
their existing power adapters to charge their iPhones overnight.
Sure - long term however. IAC given your shrill lack of logic, I'm not
exactly bidding high on your goods.
TIL: aLl BaTtErIeS aGe At ThE sAmE rAtE!
So fast/slow - doesn't matter.
It only matters to the resident trolls because they think they can use
it to disparage Apple. It's not working.
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote
Sure - long term however. IAC given your shrill lack of logic, I'm
not exactly bidding high on your goods.
TIL: aLl BaTtErIeS aGe At ThE sAmE rAtE!
the laughably puny iPhone batteries will always senesce sooner than
Android batteries
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote
Get back to me when you stop getting your panties twisted over the
fact that many of us have no need for fast charging.
The iTrolls defend Apple's ludicrous lies
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote
So fast/slow - doesn't matter.
It only matters to the resident trolls because they think they can
use it to disparage Apple. It's not working.
You missed the *strategic issues*
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote
What's consistent is you snowflake trolls are irrefutably emotionally
triggered by the fact that millions of people have no problem using
their existing power adapters to charge their iPhones overnight.
It's consistent Jolly Roger always personally attacks anyone who
merely mentions the truth
Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote
Fuck slow charging. It┬ for obsolete cave dwellers.
Fast charging is for the few who really *need* it.
The analogy by Hemidactylus is appropriate that fast charging is like using the commuter lane (which you paid good money for) while slow charging will eventually finally get you home (albeit, about five to ten times slower).
But the main reason people are upset has nothing to do (per se) with the
fact that fast charging is ten times better than slow charging.
It has to do with Apple lying about *why* Apple removed the fast charger.
The iTrolls (Alan Browne, Jolly Roger, nospam) defend Apple's lies.
Sensible intelligent well-educated people see right through Apple's lies.
Which is what that original YouTube video was all about after all.
There's no lie in the fact that many people continue to use their
existing Apple power adapters and cables to charge their devices day in
and day out without issue
It's consistent Jolly Roger always personally attacks anyone who
merely mentions the truth
That means *so* much
There is no "strategic issue" for the many people who continue to use
their Apple power adapters and cables to charge their devices without
issue
TIL: aLl BaTtErIeS aGe At ThE sAmE rAtE!
the laughably puny iPhone batteries will always senesce sooner than
Android batteries
Now *that's* a lie.
On 2023-08-23, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
When someone picks up their phone at, say, 07:00 and it's fully
charged it doesn't matter which got to full charge first.
Not only that, but faster charging generates more heat which is more detrimental to the lifespan of the battery.
It only matters to the resident trolls because they think they can use
it to disparage Apple. It's not working.
On 2023-08-23, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 18:01, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 00:09, *Hemidactylus* wrote:I bought my iphone 13 a year ago. I noticed today a huge drop in battery >>> maximum capacity to 99%. Must be the fast charging I’ve done over the year
I guess nobody needs fast charging then, especially me, who likes it >>>>> immensely. Must be deluded.
Is there a need? For those with that need: fine. Do note that such
heats the battery more and therefore the battery life is reduced.
OTOH,
Many (most) people don't have that need, however. Charging overnight
does the job.
Indeed, I'll be buying a widget that will stop charging my iPhone when >>>> it gets to 80% charge. This will prolong the battery life, as will
avoiding the battery heating that fast charging induces.
that put my battery life into crisis mode. I lost 1% of its life. That’s 1%
I will never get back.
Sure - long term however. IAC given your shrill lack of logic, I'm not
exactly bidding high on your goods.
TIL: aLl BaTtErIeS aGe At ThE sAmE rAtE!
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote
Get back to me when you stop getting your panties twisted over the fact
that many of us have no need for fast charging.
The iTrolls defend Apple's ludicrous lies, but in doing so iTrolls don't comprehend issues *at the strategic level* given Apple decontents iPhones.
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote
Sure - long term however. IAC given your shrill lack of logic, I'm not
exactly bidding high on your goods.
TIL: aLl BaTtErIeS aGe At ThE sAmE rAtE!
Which is exactly why the laughably puny iPhone batteries will always
senesce sooner than Android batteries of twice the crap Apple capacities.
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote
What's consistent is you snowflake trolls are irrefutably emotionally
triggered by the fact that millions of people have no problem using
their existing power adapters to charge their iPhones overnight.
It's consistent Jolly Roger always personally attacks anyone who merely mentions the truth about what Apple did - as iTrolls have only 1 defense.
Jolly Roger === viciously attack
nospam === blame Samsung
Alan Browne === gullibly parrot
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote
There's no lie in the fact that many people continue to use their
existing Apple power adapters and cables to charge their devices day
in and day out without issue
Apple lied about why they removed them.
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote
TIL: aLl BaTtErIeS aGe At ThE sAmE rAtE!
the laughably puny iPhone batteries will always senesce sooner than
Android batteries
Now *that's* a lie.
Hi Jolly Roger,
you don't understand is batteries & their chemistry.
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote
It's consistent Jolly Roger always personally attacks anyone who
merely mentions the truth
That means *so* much
The only thing I ever accuse you of, Jolly Roger, is not understanding
the basic adult concepts, which, in this case, obviously are described
in badgolferman's original post (and in the video badgolferman cited).
Is understanding the cite from badgolferman too much for you to do,
JR?
On 2023-08-23 21:38, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-23, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 18:01, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 00:09, *Hemidactylus* wrote:I bought my iphone 13 a year ago. I noticed today a huge drop in
I guess nobody needs fast charging then, especially me, who likes
it immensely. Must be deluded.
Is there a need? For those with that need: fine. Do note that
such heats the battery more and therefore the battery life is
reduced.
OTOH,
Many (most) people don't have that need, however. Charging
overnight does the job. Indeed, I'll be buying a widget that will
stop charging my iPhone when it gets to 80% charge. This will
prolong the battery life, as will avoiding the battery heating
that fast charging induces.
battery maximum capacity to 99%. Must be the fast charging I’ve
done over the year that put my battery life into crisis mode. I
lost 1% of its life. That’s 1% I will never get back.
Sure - long term however. IAC given your shrill lack of logic, I'm
not exactly bidding high on your goods.
TIL: aLl BaTtErIeS aGe At ThE sAmE rAtE!
For the same conditions. So if you charge at rate 1, once per day,
they will all age the same.
Charge at 2X that rate, once per day, and the battery will age a
little faster (heat stress).
On 2023-08-24, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 21:38, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-23, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 18:01, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 00:09, *Hemidactylus* wrote:I bought my iphone 13 a year ago. I noticed today a huge drop in
I guess nobody needs fast charging then, especially me, who likes >>>>>>> it immensely. Must be deluded.
Is there a need? For those with that need: fine. Do note that
such heats the battery more and therefore the battery life is
reduced.
OTOH,
Many (most) people don't have that need, however. Charging
overnight does the job. Indeed, I'll be buying a widget that will >>>>>> stop charging my iPhone when it gets to 80% charge. This will
prolong the battery life, as will avoiding the battery heating
that fast charging induces.
battery maximum capacity to 99%. Must be the fast charging I’ve
done over the year that put my battery life into crisis mode. I
lost 1% of its life. That’s 1% I will never get back.
Sure - long term however. IAC given your shrill lack of logic, I'm
not exactly bidding high on your goods.
TIL: aLl BaTtErIeS aGe At ThE sAmE rAtE!
For the same conditions. So if you charge at rate 1, once per day,
they will all age the same.
Not even then, due to different usage patterns, environmental factors,
and fluctuations in the manufacturing process. No two batteries are the
same. That's just physics.
Charge at 2X that rate, once per day, and the battery will age a
little faster (heat stress).
Yes.
On 2023-08-25 00:17, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-24, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 21:38, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-23, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 18:01, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 00:09, *Hemidactylus* wrote:I bought my iphone 13 a year ago. I noticed today a huge drop in
I guess nobody needs fast charging then, especially me, who
likes it immensely. Must be deluded.
Is there a need? For those with that need: fine. Do note that
such heats the battery more and therefore the battery life is
reduced.
OTOH,
Many (most) people don't have that need, however. Charging
overnight does the job. Indeed, I'll be buying a widget that
will stop charging my iPhone when it gets to 80% charge. This
will prolong the battery life, as will avoiding the battery
heating that fast charging induces.
battery maximum capacity to 99%. Must be the fast charging I’ve
done over the year that put my battery life into crisis mode. I
lost 1% of its life. That’s 1% I will never get back.
Sure - long term however. IAC given your shrill lack of logic,
I'm not exactly bidding high on your goods.
TIL: aLl BaTtErIeS aGe At ThE sAmE rAtE!
For the same conditions. So if you charge at rate 1, once per day,
they will all age the same.
Not even then, due to different usage patterns, environmental
factors, and fluctuations in the manufacturing process. No two
batteries are the same. That's just physics.
This isn't a six sigma discussion.
There is always variance - and it is surprisingly narrow in this case
- because of the way these batteries are made (very high automation to
tight tolerances).
There is always variance - and it is surprisingly narrow in this case
- because of the way these batteries are made (very high automation to
tight tolerances).
You're talking as if charge rate is the primary thing that determines
battery longevity, but that is simply not the case. On the contrary, environmental and usage patterns vary widely among users, and both have
a significant effect on how a battery ages.
On 8/27/2023 4:55 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
There is always variance - and it is surprisingly narrow in this
case - because of the way these batteries are made (very high
automation to tight tolerances).
You're talking as if charge rate is the primary thing that determines
battery longevity, but that is simply not the case. On the contrary,
environmental and usage patterns vary widely among users, and both
have a significant effect on how a battery ages.
Given there is a minimum stable threshold (ala batterygate) and given batteries age to about 80% of initial capacity after about 500 cycles,
what most determines the battery lifetime are these two set values.
1. Initial capacity
2. Minimum threshold
On 2023-08-27, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-25 00:17, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-24, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 21:38, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-23, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 18:01, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 00:09, *Hemidactylus* wrote:I bought my iphone 13 a year ago. I noticed today a huge drop in >>>>>>> battery maximum capacity to 99%. Must be the fast charging I’ve >>>>>>> done over the year that put my battery life into crisis mode. I
I guess nobody needs fast charging then, especially me, who
likes it immensely. Must be deluded.
Is there a need? For those with that need: fine. Do note that >>>>>>>> such heats the battery more and therefore the battery life is
reduced.
OTOH,
Many (most) people don't have that need, however. Charging
overnight does the job. Indeed, I'll be buying a widget that
will stop charging my iPhone when it gets to 80% charge. This >>>>>>>> will prolong the battery life, as will avoiding the battery
heating that fast charging induces.
lost 1% of its life. That’s 1% I will never get back.
Sure - long term however. IAC given your shrill lack of logic,
I'm not exactly bidding high on your goods.
TIL: aLl BaTtErIeS aGe At ThE sAmE rAtE!
For the same conditions. So if you charge at rate 1, once per day,
they will all age the same.
Not even then, due to different usage patterns, environmental
factors, and fluctuations in the manufacturing process <---[AAA] . No two >>> batteries are the same. That's just physics.
This isn't a six sigma discussion.
Never said it was, and you aren't the arbiter of discussion here anyway.
There is always variance - and it is surprisingly narrow in this case
- because of the way these batteries are made (very high automation to
tight tolerances).
On 2023-08-27 16:55, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-27, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-25 00:17, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-24, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 21:38, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-23, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 18:01, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:Sure - long term however. IAC given your shrill lack of logic,
On 2023-08-23 00:09, *Hemidactylus* wrote:I bought my iphone 13 a year ago. I noticed today a huge drop
I guess nobody needs fast charging then, especially me, who >>>>>>>>>> likes it immensely. Must be deluded.
Is there a need? For those with that need: fine. Do note
that such heats the battery more and therefore the battery
life is reduced.
OTOH,
Many (most) people don't have that need, however. Charging
overnight does the job. Indeed, I'll be buying a widget that >>>>>>>>> will stop charging my iPhone when it gets to 80% charge. This >>>>>>>>> will prolong the battery life, as will avoiding the battery
heating that fast charging induces.
in battery maximum capacity to 99%. Must be the fast charging
I’ve done over the year that put my battery life into crisis >>>>>>>> mode. I lost 1% of its life. That’s 1% I will never get back. >>>>>>>
I'm not exactly bidding high on your goods.
TIL: aLl BaTtErIeS aGe At ThE sAmE rAtE!
For the same conditions. So if you charge at rate 1, once per
day, they will all age the same.
Not even then, due to different usage patterns, environmental
factors, and fluctuations in the manufacturing process <---[AAA] .
No two batteries are the same. That's just physics.
This isn't a six sigma discussion.
Never said it was, and you aren't the arbiter of discussion here
anyway.
Get off your horse
On 8/27/2023 4:55 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
There is always variance - and it is surprisingly narrow in this case
- because of the way these batteries are made (very high automation to
tight tolerances).
You're talking as if charge rate is the primary thing that determines
battery longevity, but that is simply not the case. On the contrary,
environmental and usage patterns vary widely among users, and both have
a significant effect on how a battery ages.
Given there is a minimum stable threshold (ala batterygate) and given batteries age to about 80% of initial capacity after about 500 cycles,
what most determines the battery lifetime are these two set values.
1. Initial capacity 2. Minimum threshold
The larger the difference between them, the longer the battery will last.
On 2023-08-28, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-27 16:55, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-27, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-25 00:17, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-24, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 21:38, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-23, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 18:01, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:Sure - long term however. IAC given your shrill lack of logic, >>>>>>>> I'm not exactly bidding high on your goods.
On 2023-08-23 00:09, *Hemidactylus* wrote:I bought my iphone 13 a year ago. I noticed today a huge drop >>>>>>>>> in battery maximum capacity to 99%. Must be the fast charging >>>>>>>>> I’ve done over the year that put my battery life into crisis >>>>>>>>> mode. I lost 1% of its life. That’s 1% I will never get back. >>>>>>>>
I guess nobody needs fast charging then, especially me, who >>>>>>>>>>> likes it immensely. Must be deluded.
Is there a need? For those with that need: fine. Do note >>>>>>>>>> that such heats the battery more and therefore the battery >>>>>>>>>> life is reduced.
OTOH,
Many (most) people don't have that need, however. Charging >>>>>>>>>> overnight does the job. Indeed, I'll be buying a widget that >>>>>>>>>> will stop charging my iPhone when it gets to 80% charge. This >>>>>>>>>> will prolong the battery life, as will avoiding the battery >>>>>>>>>> heating that fast charging induces.
TIL: aLl BaTtErIeS aGe At ThE sAmE rAtE!
For the same conditions. So if you charge at rate 1, once per
day, they will all age the same.
Not even then, due to different usage patterns, environmental
factors, and fluctuations in the manufacturing process <---[AAA] .
No two batteries are the same. That's just physics.
This isn't a six sigma discussion.
Never said it was, and you aren't the arbiter of discussion here
anyway.
Get off your horse
Don't own one. You, on the other hand...
Go play in the street, kiddo. Better things to do.
Enjoy your lonely "last word" party of one. I'm out.
On 2023-08-28 10:18, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-28, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-27 16:55, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-27, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-25 00:17, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-24, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 21:38, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-23, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-23 18:01, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:Sure - long term however. IAC given your shrill lack of logic, >>>>>>>>> I'm not exactly bidding high on your goods.
On 2023-08-23 00:09, *Hemidactylus* wrote:I bought my iphone 13 a year ago. I noticed today a huge drop >>>>>>>>>> in battery maximum capacity to 99%. Must be the fast charging >>>>>>>>>> I’ve done over the year that put my battery life into crisis >>>>>>>>>> mode. I lost 1% of its life. That’s 1% I will never get back. >>>>>>>>>
I guess nobody needs fast charging then, especially me, who >>>>>>>>>>>> likes it immensely. Must be deluded.
Is there a need? For those with that need: fine. Do note >>>>>>>>>>> that such heats the battery more and therefore the battery >>>>>>>>>>> life is reduced.
OTOH,
Many (most) people don't have that need, however. Charging >>>>>>>>>>> overnight does the job. Indeed, I'll be buying a widget that >>>>>>>>>>> will stop charging my iPhone when it gets to 80% charge. This >>>>>>>>>>> will prolong the battery life, as will avoiding the battery >>>>>>>>>>> heating that fast charging induces.
TIL: aLl BaTtErIeS aGe At ThE sAmE rAtE!
For the same conditions. So if you charge at rate 1, once per
day, they will all age the same.
Not even then, due to different usage patterns, environmental
factors, and fluctuations in the manufacturing process <---[AAA] . >>>>>> No two batteries are the same. That's just physics.
This isn't a six sigma discussion.
Never said it was, and you aren't the arbiter of discussion here
anyway.
Get off your horse
Don't own one. You, on the other hand...
Go play in the street, kiddo. Better things to do.
Enjoy your lonely "last word" party of one. I'm out.
You stepped on your own crank [AAA] and then complained about by my reply.
Then a classic selective edit followed by:
"I'm taking my ball and runnin' home to mama!" exit.
Sheesh.
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