In 2023, Apple agreed to comply with the European Union's requirement
that all phones sold within the EU be equipped with a USB-C port for
wired charging. After sticking to Lightning connectors for over a
decade, it's certain future iPhones will come with a USB-C port.
There are several reasons why this is a positive development for Apple
users, some of which we will detail below.
1. A Single Charger for Your Apple Devices
2. Faster Charging Speeds
3. More Versatile Connectivity
4. Faster Data Transfer Rates
5. Support for More Third-Party Accessories
https://www.makeuseof.com/how-usb-c-will-improve-iphones/#a-single-charger-for-your-apple-devices
On 8/7/2023 8:33 AM, badgolferman wrote:
In 2023, Apple agreed to comply with the European Union's requirement
that all phones sold within the EU be equipped with a USB-C port for
wired charging. After sticking to Lightning connectors for over a
decade, it's certain future iPhones will come with a USB-C port.
There are several reasons why this is a positive development for Apple
users, some of which we will detail below.
1. A Single Charger for Your Apple Devices
2. Faster Charging Speeds
3. More Versatile Connectivity
4. Faster Data Transfer Rates
5. Support for More Third-Party Accessories
https://www.makeuseof.com/how-usb-c-will-improve-iphones/#a-single-charger-for-your-apple-devices
And of course another reason is that they had already been moving to standardize on USB-C anyway and it was likely that they had planned to
move the iPhone to USB-C next because of #2 and #4 in the list. It's
also a marketing tool since it encourages upgrades.
On 2023-08-07 11:52, sms wrote:
On 8/7/2023 8:33 AM, badgolferman wrote:
In 2023, Apple agreed to comply with the European Union's
requirement that all phones sold within the EU be equipped with a
USB-C port for wired charging. After sticking to Lightning
connectors for over a decade, it's certain future iPhones will
come with a USB-C port.
There are several reasons why this is a positive development for
Apple users, some of which we will detail below.
1. A Single Charger for Your Apple Devices
2. Faster Charging Speeds
3. More Versatile Connectivity
4. Faster Data Transfer Rates
5. Support for More Third-Party Accessories
https://www.makeuseof.com/how-usb-c-will-improve-iphones/#a-single-charger-for-your-apple-devices
And of course another reason is that they had already been moving
to standardize on USB-C anyway and it was likely that they had
planned to move the iPhone to USB-C next because of #2 and #4 in
the list. It's also a marketing tool since it encourages upgrades.
Yes indeed - Apple would have gotten there on their own good business >schedule.
Why the EU imposing rules like this is silly. The market will find
the way.
There are several reasons why this is a positive development for Apple
users, some of which we will detail below.
1. A Single Charger for Your Apple Devices
2. Faster Charging Speeds
3. More Versatile Connectivity
4. Faster Data Transfer Rates
5. Support for More Third-Party Accessories
In article <[email protected]>,
badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
There are several reasons why this is a positive development for Apple
users, some of which we will detail below.
1. A Single Charger for Your Apple Devices
that's how it is now.
nospam wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
There are several reasons why this is a positive development for Apple
users, some of which we will detail below.
1. A Single Charger for Your Apple Devices
that's how it is now.
Wake up man. My iphone came with a goddamn USB C cable 2 years ago. I
had to buy a goddamn cable to charge the damn thing.
On 2023-08-07 19:48, Hank Rogers wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, >>>badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
There are several reasons why this is a positive development
for Apple users, some of which we will detail below.
1. A Single Charger for Your Apple Devices
that's how it is now.
Wake up man. My iphone came with a goddamn USB C cable 2 years
ago. I had to buy a goddamn cable to charge the damn thing.
Which model iPhone was that?
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-08-07 19:48, Hank Rogers wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
There are several reasons why this is a positive development
for Apple users, some of which we will detail below.
1. A Single Charger for Your Apple Devices
that's how it is now.
Wake up man. My iphone came with a goddamn USB C cable 2 years
ago. I had to buy a goddamn cable to charge the damn thing.
Which model iPhone was that?
I suspect the charger end of the cable is USB-C, not the phone end of
the cable. I think it started with the 12.
On 2023-08-07 19:48, Hank Rogers wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article
<[email protected]>,
badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
There are several reasons why this is a positive
development for Apple
users, some of which we will detail below.
1. A Single Charger for Your Apple Devices
that's how it is now.
Wake up man. My iphone came with a goddamn USB C cable 2
years ago. I had to buy a goddamn cable to charge the damn
thing.
Which model iPhone was that?
badgolferman wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-08-07 19:48, Hank Rogers wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
There are several reasons why this is a positive development
for Apple users, some of which we will detail below.
1. A Single Charger for Your Apple Devices
that's how it is now.
Wake up man. My iphone came with a goddamn USB C cable 2 years
ago. I had to buy a goddamn cable to charge the damn thing.
Which model iPhone was that?
I suspect the charger end of the cable is USB-C, not the phone end of
the cable. I think it started with the 12.
Right. The phone still has the ancient shitty lightning connector.
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-07 19:54, Hank Rogers wrote:
badgolferman wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-08-07 19:48, Hank Rogers wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, >>>>>>> badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
There are several reasons why this is a positive development
for Apple users, some of which we will detail below.
1. A Single Charger for Your Apple Devices
that's how it is now.
Wake up man. My iphone came with a goddamn USB C cable 2 years
ago. I had to buy a goddamn cable to charge the damn thing.
Which model iPhone was that?
I suspect the charger end of the cable is USB-C, not the phone end of
the cable. I think it started with the 12.
Right. The phone still has the ancient shitty lightning connector.
What exactly makes it "shitty"?
It’s slow as hell. I doubt it’s even on par with usb 2.
On 2023-08-07 19:54, Hank Rogers wrote:
badgolferman wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-08-07 19:48, Hank Rogers wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
There are several reasons why this is a positive development
for Apple users, some of which we will detail below.
1. A Single Charger for Your Apple Devices
that's how it is now.
Wake up man. My iphone came with a goddamn USB C cable 2 years
ago. I had to buy a goddamn cable to charge the damn thing.
Which model iPhone was that?
I suspect the charger end of the cable is USB-C, not the phone end of
the cable. I think it started with the 12.
Right. The phone still has the ancient shitty lightning connector.
What exactly makes it "shitty"?
On 2023-08-07 19:54, Hank Rogers wrote:
badgolferman wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-08-07 19:48, Hank Rogers wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
There are several reasons why this is a positive development
for Apple users, some of which we will detail below.
1. A Single Charger for Your Apple Devices
that's how it is now.
Wake up man. My iphone came with a goddamn USB C cable 2 years
ago. I had to buy a goddamn cable to charge the damn thing.
Which model iPhone was that?
I suspect the charger end of the cable is USB-C, not the phone end of
the cable. I think it started with the 12.
Right. The phone still has the ancient shitty lightning connector.
What exactly makes it "shitty"?
On 2023-08-07 22:41, Hank Rogers wrote:
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-07 19:54, Hank Rogers wrote:
badgolferman wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-08-07 19:48, Hank Rogers wrote:
nospam wrote:Which model iPhone was that?
In article <[email protected]>, >>>>>>>> badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
There are several reasons why this is a positive development >>>>>>>>> for Apple users, some of which we will detail below.
1. A Single Charger for Your Apple Devices
that's how it is now.
Wake up man. My iphone came with a goddamn USB C cable 2 years
ago. I had to buy a goddamn cable to charge the damn thing. >>>>>>
I suspect the charger end of the cable is USB-C, not the phone end of >>>>> the cable. I think it started with the 12.
Right. The phone still has the ancient shitty lightning connector.
What exactly makes it "shitty"?
It’s slow as hell. I doubt it’s even on par with usb 2.
Says the tech genius who double-posts!
:-)
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-07 22:41, Hank Rogers wrote:
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-07 19:54, Hank Rogers wrote:
badgolferman wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-08-07 19:48, Hank Rogers wrote:
nospam wrote:Which model iPhone was that?
In article <[email protected]>, >>>>>>>>> badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
There are several reasons why this is a positive development >>>>>>>>>> for Apple users, some of which we will detail below.
1. A Single Charger for Your Apple Devices
that's how it is now.
Wake up man. My iphone came with a goddamn USB C cable 2 years >>>>>>>> ago. I had to buy a goddamn cable to charge the damn thing. >>>>>>>
I suspect the charger end of the cable is USB-C, not the phone end of >>>>>> the cable. I think it started with the 12.
Right. The phone still has the ancient shitty lightning connector.
What exactly makes it "shitty"?
It’s slow as hell. I doubt it’s even on par with usb 2.
Says the tech genius who double-posts!
:-)
Thanks to my apple phone.
On 2023-08-07 23:09, Hank Rogers wrote:
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-07 22:41, Hank Rogers wrote:
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-07 19:54, Hank Rogers wrote:
badgolferman wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-08-07 19:48, Hank Rogers wrote:
nospam wrote:Which model iPhone was that?
In article <[email protected]>, >>>>>>>>>> badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
There are several reasons why this is a positive development >>>>>>>>>>> for Apple users, some of which we will detail below.
1. A Single Charger for Your Apple Devices
that's how it is now.
Wake up man. My iphone came with a goddamn USB C cable 2 years >>>>>>>>> ago. I had to buy a goddamn cable to charge the damn thing. >>>>>>>>
I suspect the charger end of the cable is USB-C, not the phone end of >>>>>>> the cable. I think it started with the 12.
Right. The phone still has the ancient shitty lightning connector. >>>>>>
What exactly makes it "shitty"?
It’s slow as hell. I doubt it’s even on par with usb 2.
Says the tech genius who double-posts!
:-)
Thanks to my apple phone.
It's a poor workman who blames his tools...
...and I don't think anyone held a gun to your head when it came time
for you to purchase a smartphone.
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-08-07 19:48, Hank Rogers wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
There are several reasons why this is a positive development for Apple >>>>> users, some of which we will detail below.
1. A Single Charger for Your Apple Devices
that's how it is now.
Wake up man. My iphone came with a goddamn USB C cable 2 years ago.Â
I had to buy a goddamn cable to charge the damn thing.
Which model iPhone was that?
SE 2. Came with a lighting to usb C cable. No charger.
badgolferman wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-08-07 19:48, Hank Rogers wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
There are several reasons why this is a positive development
for Apple users, some of which we will detail below.
1. A Single Charger for Your Apple Devices
that's how it is now.
Wake up man. My iphone came with a goddamn USB C cable 2 years
ago. I had to buy a goddamn cable to charge the damn thing.
Which model iPhone was that?
I suspect the charger end of the cable is USB-C, not the phone end of
the cable. I think it started with the 12.
Right. The phone still has the ancient shitty lightning connector.
In 2023, Apple agreed to comply with the European Union's requirement
that all phones sold within the EU be equipped with a USB-C port for
wired charging. After sticking to Lightning connectors for over a
decade, it's certain future iPhones will come with a USB-C port.
There are several reasons why this is a positive development for Apple
users, some of which we will detail below.
1. A Single Charger for Your Apple Devices
2. Faster Charging Speeds
3. More Versatile Connectivity
4. Faster Data Transfer Rates
5. Support for More Third-Party Accessories
https://www.makeuseof.com/how-usb-c-will-improve-iphones/#a-single-charger-for-your-apple-devices
Right. The phone still has the ancient shitty lightning connector.
What exactly makes it "shitty"?
It�s slow as hell. I doubt it�s even on par with usb 2.
Not so good.....
The iPhone 15 Pro models with USB-C ports are expected to support higher-speed data transfers, while the standard iPhone 15 models will continue to feature USB 2.0 speeds – the same as Lightning – giving the Pro models an edge.
The iPhone 15 Pro models with USB-C ports are expected to support higher-speed data transfers, while the standard iPhone 15 models will continue to feature USB 2.0 speeds � the same as Lightning � giving the
Pro models an edge.
Leaker ShrimpApplePro has said that iPhone 15 models will only
officially support USB-C accessories certified by the Apple Made for
iPhone (MFi) program. Apple supplier Foxconn is allegedly producing accessories like EarPods and cables with USB-C connectors that are MFi certified.
The MFi USB-C certification could be used to limit features like fast charging and high-speed data transfers to Apple-approved accessories.
ShrimpApplePro says that cables with no MFi certification will be
limited in data and charging speed. Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has also suggested that Apple will require Made for iPhone certification for
USB-C chargers that are able to fast charge the iPhone.
The result was very good sales of the Pro
models and not-so-good sales of the non-pro models,
For the 15 they probably can't get away with a 60Hz screen again on the non-Pro
so they'll need to find other ways to create a significant
enough advantage to the Pro models or customers would opt for the non-Pro.
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-08-07 11:52, sms wrote:
On 8/7/2023 8:33 AM, badgolferman wrote:
In 2023, Apple agreed to comply with the European Union's
requirement that all phones sold within the EU be equipped with a
USB-C port for wired charging. After sticking to Lightning
connectors for over a decade, it's certain future iPhones will
come with a USB-C port.
There are several reasons why this is a positive development for
Apple users, some of which we will detail below.
1. A Single Charger for Your Apple Devices
2. Faster Charging Speeds
3. More Versatile Connectivity
4. Faster Data Transfer Rates
5. Support for More Third-Party Accessories
https://www.makeuseof.com/how-usb-c-will-improve-iphones/#a-single-charger-for-your-apple-devices
And of course another reason is that they had already been moving
to standardize on USB-C anyway and it was likely that they had
planned to move the iPhone to USB-C next because of #2 and #4 in
the list. It's also a marketing tool since it encourages upgrades.
Yes indeed - Apple would have gotten there on their own good business >>schedule.
Why the EU imposing rules like this is silly. The market will find
the way.
More e-waste. Throw away all the old cables, chargers, devices which
had Lightning connectors. Kind of flies in the face of the argument
given for not including chargers in the box anymore.
No need to throw them away. You can always use a lightning to USB
adapter to use while your existing cables are still in good condition.
I use adapters to convert my old USB-A connectors to USB-C sockets
when needed. Eventually USB-A will disappear, but until then I can
still use the old cables.
In article <[email protected]>,
badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
The iPhone 15 Pro models with USB-C ports are expected to support
higher-speed data transfers, while the standard iPhone 15 models will
continue to feature USB 2.0 speeds the same as Lightning giving the
Pro models an edge.
that's because most people transfer data wirelessly, especially with
the standard models. those who opt for the higher end models generally
have more demanding needs, such as transferring large amounts of 4k
video.
there's little point in including a feature that will go unused by
nearly everyone.
Leaker ShrimpApplePro has said that iPhone 15 models will only
officially support USB-C accessories certified by the Apple Made for
iPhone (MFi) program. Apple supplier Foxconn is allegedly producing
accessories like EarPods and cables with USB-C connectors that are MFi
certified.
not any different than requiring usb compliance.
nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
not any different than requiring usb compliance.
Except this is not compliant with USB spec. Any USB compliant device should work with any USB compliant cable. Putting extra restrictions is non-compliance.
The iPhone 15 Pro models with USB-C ports are expected to support
higher-speed data transfers, while the standard iPhone 15 models will
continue to feature USB 2.0 speeds - the same as Lightning - giving the
Pro models an edge.
that's because most people transfer data wirelessly, especially with
the standard models. those who opt for the higher end models generally
have more demanding needs, such as transferring large amounts of 4k
video.
there's little point in including a feature that will go unused by
nearly everyone.
Anyone who uses cables will benefit.
Size of files is meaningless.
If true,
this is clear contravention of the regulation.
Or are you saying that anyone who just uses email only needs dial-up broadband too?
Leaker ShrimpApplePro has said that iPhone 15 models will only
officially support USB-C accessories certified by the Apple Made for
iPhone (MFi) program. Apple supplier Foxconn is allegedly producing
accessories like EarPods and cables with USB-C connectors that are MFi
certified.
not any different than requiring usb compliance.
Except this is not compliant with USB spec.
Any USB compliant device should
work with any USB compliant cable.
Putting extra restrictions is
non-compliance.
In article <uavbet$3q1kd$[email protected]>, Chris <[email protected]>
wrote:
The iPhone 15 Pro models with USB-C ports are expected to support
higher-speed data transfers, while the standard iPhone 15 models will
continue to feature USB 2.0 speeds - the same as Lightning - giving the >>>> Pro models an edge.
that's because most people transfer data wirelessly, especially with
the standard models. those who opt for the higher end models generally
have more demanding needs, such as transferring large amounts of 4k
video.
there's little point in including a feature that will go unused by
nearly everyone.
Anyone who uses cables will benefit.
false. nearly everyone uses the port just for charging (especially on
the lower end models), which means that faster wired data transfer
speeds will have *no* effect whatsoever.
On 2023-08-08 12:28, Chris in Makati wrote:
No need to throw them away. You can always use a lightning to USB
adapter to use while your existing cables are still in good condition.
I use adapters to convert my old USB-A connectors to USB-C sockets
when needed. Eventually USB-A will disappear, but until then I can
still use the old cables.
Except that adaptors are also "Forced by the unthinking EU" e-waste.
nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
The iPhone 15 Pro models with USB-C ports are expected to support
higher-speed data transfers, while the standard iPhone 15 models will
continue to feature USB 2.0 speeds the same as Lightning giving the >>> Pro models an edge.
that's because most people transfer data wirelessly, especially with
the standard models. those who opt for the higher end models generally
have more demanding needs, such as transferring large amounts of 4k
video.
there's little point in including a feature that will go unused by
nearly everyone.
Anyone who uses cables will benefit. Size of files is meaningless. If true, this is clear contravention of the regulation.
Or are you saying that anyone who just uses email only needs dial-up broadband too?
Leaker ShrimpApplePro has said that iPhone 15 models will only
officially support USB-C accessories certified by the Apple Made for
iPhone (MFi) program. Apple supplier Foxconn is allegedly producing
accessories like EarPods and cables with USB-C connectors that are MFi
certified.
not any different than requiring usb compliance.
Except this is not compliant with USB spec. Any USB compliant device should work with any USB compliant cable. Putting extra restrictions is non-compliance.
On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 13:08:37 -0400, Alan Browne
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-08 12:28, Chris in Makati wrote:
No need to throw them away. You can always use a lightning to USB
adapter to use while your existing cables are still in good condition.
I use adapters to convert my old USB-A connectors to USB-C sockets
when needed. Eventually USB-A will disappear, but until then I can
still use the old cables.
Except that adaptors are also "Forced by the unthinking EU" e-waste.
Do you have a reference for that directive from the EU?
Therefore the huge number of Lightning cables that still have years
of life in them will be forced to earlier retirement (or force users
to buy adaptors: more e-waste). Before you shrug this off, bear in
mind that most smartphone users have 2, 3 or more cables because they
charge at home, car, office, etc.
Alan Browne wrote:
Therefore the huge number of Lightning cables that still have years
of life in them will be forced to earlier retirement (or force users
to buy adaptors: more e-waste). Before you shrug this off, bear in
mind that most smartphone users have 2, 3 or more cables because they
charge at home, car, office, etc.
This is what I tried to say earlier, but maybe your version will get
through.
Phones with Lightning adapters won't suddenly disappear, they will be operating for many more years, likely outliving the cables.
All those Lightning cables would be eWaste in a few years no matter
what.
"With daily use, the contacts on the lightning cable start to wear
and corrode at about 6 to 9 months, but the cables fray because they
aren�t properly reinforced at the ends much sooner than that. They
either come apart or the wires break internally, and at $19 dollars
each, that adds up fast."
On Monday the spousal unit showed me her two-year old AirPods charging
case where the cable was already fraying, showing the shielding
underneath, right where it went into the charging case.
I was able to
fix it with some heat shrink tubing. Without cutting the cable to slide
on the heat shrink the fix was a little kludgy but it should be okay for
now. She has only used the AirPods maybe ten times in the past two
years. Her company bought them for the staff that needed them during the pandemic.
On 8/9/2023 12:34 PM, badgolferman wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Therefore the huge number of Lightning cables that still have years
of life in them will be forced to earlier retirement (or force users
to buy adaptors: more e-waste). Before you shrug this off, bear in
mind that most smartphone users have 2, 3 or more cables because they
charge at home, car, office, etc.
This is what I tried to say earlier, but maybe your version will get
through.
Phones with Lightning adapters won't suddenly disappear, they will be operating for many more years, likely outliving the cables.
All those Lightning cables would be eWaste in a few years no matter
what. "With daily use, the contacts on the lightning cable start to wear
and corrode at about 6 to 9 months, but the cables fray because they
aren’t properly reinforced at the ends much sooner than that. They
either come apart or the wires break internally, and at $19 dollars
each, that adds up fast." See <https://medium.com/macoclock/apples-problem-with-broken-lightning-cables-dd73e601b2e8>.
I was able to
fix it with some heat shrink tubing. Without cutting the cable to slide
on the heat shrink the fix was a little kludgy but it should be okay for >>> now. She has only used the AirPods maybe ten times in the past two
years. Her company bought them for the staff that needed them during the >>> pandemic.
if the cable frayed after being used only ten times, then the cable is
either defective or you're lying.
Everyone except you is a liar.
In article <ub16ge$3l36$[email protected]>, sms
<[email protected]> wrote:
Phones with Lightning adapters won't suddenly disappear, they will be
operating for many more years, likely outliving the cables.
the cables will easily outlive the phones.
All those Lightning cables would be eWaste in a few years no matter
what.
nope, the cables will continue to work just fine.
"With daily use, the contacts on the lightning cable start to wear
and corrode at about 6 to 9 months, but the cables fray because they
aren�t properly reinforced at the ends much sooner than that. They
either come apart or the wires break internally, and at $19 dollars
each, that adds up fast."
that is of course, false.
first of all, lightning cables vary in quality, from cheap stuff that
can fail prematurely to quality stuff that lasts a long time. many
people continue to use lighting cables that are 5-10 years old that
have *no* issues whatsoever.
On Monday the spousal unit showed me her two-year old AirPods charging
case where the cable was already fraying, showing the shielding
underneath, right where it went into the charging case.
anecdotal, assuming it's true.
I was able to
fix it with some heat shrink tubing. Without cutting the cable to slide
on the heat shrink the fix was a little kludgy but it should be okay for
now. She has only used the AirPods maybe ten times in the past two
years. Her company bought them for the staff that needed them during the
pandemic.
if the cable frayed after being used only ten times, then the cable is
either defective or you're lying.
On 2023-08-09 20:21, Hank Rogers wrote:
I was able to
fix it with some heat shrink tubing. Without cutting the
cable to slide
on the heat shrink the fix was a little kludgy but it
should be okay for
now. She has only used the AirPods maybe ten times in the
past two
years. Her company bought them for the staff that needed
them during the
pandemic.
if the cable frayed after being used only ten times, then
the cable is
either defective or you're lying.
Everyone except you is a liar.
Sorry, but the idea that a cable is frayed after just 10 uses...
...is obvious bullshit.
Alan wrote:
On 2023-08-09 20:21, Hank Rogers wrote:
I was able to
fix it with some heat shrink tubing. Without cutting the cable to
slide
on the heat shrink the fix was a little kludgy but it should be
okay for
now. She has only used the AirPods maybe ten times in the past two
years. Her company bought them for the staff that needed them
during the
pandemic.
if the cable frayed after being used only ten times, then the cable is >>>> either defective or you're lying.
Everyone except you is a liar.
Sorry, but the idea that a cable is frayed after just 10 uses...
...is obvious bullshit.
I wasn't there, so I don't know. I have seen some pretty crappy cables though.
I use adapters to convert my old USB-A connectors to USB-C sockets
when needed. Eventually USB-A will disappear, but until then I can
still use the old cables.
Except that adaptors are also "Forced by the unthinking EU" e-waste.
Do you have a reference for that directive from the EU?
It's implicit. Let me break this down since the obvious doesn't seem to
leap out at you.
EU makes a ruling that only applies to the EU.
However, Apple sell an awful lot of iPhones in Europe.
Thus to comply, it is cheaper for Apple to use USB-C on worldwide
iPhones rather than sell the same models with different sockets.
Of course the EU (being a bureaucratic morass) did not wake up to this
until 6 or 7 years after the USB-C format came out - and 8 or 9 years
for the lightning cable.
Therefore the huge number of Lightning cables that still have years of
life in them will be forced to earlier retirement (or force users to buy >adaptors: more e-waste). Before you shrug this off, bear in mind that
most smartphone users have 2, 3 or more cables because they charge at
home, car, office, etc.
In article <uavbet$3q1kd$[email protected]>, Chris <[email protected]>
wrote:
The iPhone 15 Pro models with USB-C ports are expected to support
higher-speed data transfers, while the standard iPhone 15 models will
continue to feature USB 2.0 speeds - the same as Lightning - giving the >>>> Pro models an edge.
that's because most people transfer data wirelessly, especially with
the standard models. those who opt for the higher end models generally
have more demanding needs, such as transferring large amounts of 4k
video.
there's little point in including a feature that will go unused by
nearly everyone.
Anyone who uses cables will benefit.
false. nearly everyone uses the port just for charging (especially on
the lower end models), which means that faster wired data transfer
speeds will have *no* effect whatsoever.
Size of files is meaningless.
also false. for small files, the difference in speed is negligible and
most likely not even noticeable,
and that's ignoring the overhead of
connecting a cable (versus wireless transfer). for larger files, the difference can become significant.
If true,
this is clear contravention of the regulation.
it isn't. the regulation is for a physical usb-c connector, not the
data transfer speed.
Or are you saying that anyone who just uses email only needs dial-up
broadband too?
dial-up is not broadband, but to your point, they certainly don't need
50 mbit service for just email.
also, i seem to recall you saying that gigabit was overkill.
Leaker ShrimpApplePro has said that iPhone 15 models will only
officially support USB-C accessories certified by the Apple Made for
iPhone (MFi) program. Apple supplier Foxconn is allegedly producing
accessories like EarPods and cables with USB-C connectors that are MFi >>>> certified.
not any different than requiring usb compliance.
Except this is not compliant with USB spec.
yes it is.
Any USB compliant device should
work with any USB compliant cable.
there's no reason why it won't (other than driver support which is up
to the device maker, and independent of usb/lightning).
Putting extra restrictions is
non-compliance.
first of all, this is a *rumour*, not something that has happened.
wait and see what *actually* is released rather than arguing over
something that might just be another silly rumour.
second, there are no extra restrictions. based on the *leak*, there may
be additional benefits in using mfi certified products.
Alan Browne wrote:
Therefore the huge number of Lightning cables that still have years
of life in them will be forced to earlier retirement (or force users
to buy adaptors: more e-waste). Before you shrug this off, bear in
mind that most smartphone users have 2, 3 or more cables because they
charge at home, car, office, etc.
This is what I tried to say earlier, but maybe your version will get
through.
In article <ub16ge$3l36$[email protected]>, sms
<[email protected]> wrote:
Phones with Lightning adapters won't suddenly disappear, they will be
operating for many more years, likely outliving the cables.
the cables will easily outlive the phones.
All those Lightning cables would be eWaste in a few years no matter
what.
nope, the cables will continue to work just fine.
"With daily use, the contacts on the lightning cable start to wear
and corrode at about 6 to 9 months, but the cables fray because they
aren¹t properly reinforced at the ends much sooner than that. They
either come apart or the wires break internally, and at $19 dollars
each, that adds up fast."
that is of course, false.
first of all, lightning cables vary in quality, from cheap stuff that
can fail prematurely to quality stuff that lasts a long time. many
people continue to use lighting cables that are 5-10 years old that
have *no* issues whatsoever.
On Monday the spousal unit showed me her two-year old AirPods charging
case where the cable was already fraying, showing the shielding
underneath, right where it went into the charging case.
anecdotal, assuming it's true.
I was able to
fix it with some heat shrink tubing. Without cutting the cable to slide
on the heat shrink the fix was a little kludgy but it should be okay for
now. She has only used the AirPods maybe ten times in the past two
years. Her company bought them for the staff that needed them during the
pandemic.
if the cable frayed after being used only ten times, then the cable is
either defective or you're lying.
On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 14:51:32 -0400, Alan Browne
<[email protected]> wrote:
I use adapters to convert my old USB-A connectors to USB-C sockets
when needed. Eventually USB-A will disappear, but until then I can
still use the old cables.
Except that adaptors are also "Forced by the unthinking EU" e-waste.
Do you have a reference for that directive from the EU?
It's implicit. Let me break this down since the obvious doesn't seem to
leap out at you.
EU makes a ruling that only applies to the EU.
However, Apple sell an awful lot of iPhones in Europe.
Thus to comply, it is cheaper for Apple to use USB-C on worldwide
iPhones rather than sell the same models with different sockets.
Of course the EU (being a bureaucratic morass) did not wake up to this
until 6 or 7 years after the USB-C format came out - and 8 or 9 years
for the lightning cable.
Therefore the huge number of Lightning cables that still have years of
life in them will be forced to earlier retirement (or force users to buy
adaptors: more e-waste). Before you shrug this off, bear in mind that
most smartphone users have 2, 3 or more cables because they charge at
home, car, office, etc.
Try to follow what is actually being said. I understand the EU
directive on standardisation of USB-C connectors, but I wasn't
referring to that. I was asking you where you saw the EU directive to
support your statement that "adaptors are also "Forced by the
unthinking EU" e-waste". And why does that prevent their use as an
temporary solution to allow continued use of existing cables?
badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Therefore the huge number of Lightning cables that still have years
of life in them will be forced to earlier retirement (or force users
to buy adaptors: more e-waste). Before you shrug this off, bear in
mind that most smartphone users have 2, 3 or more cables because they
charge at home, car, office, etc.
This is what I tried to say earlier, but maybe your version will get
through.
Why is this "bad" but when Apple does it for its own reasons it's "good"?
See adoption of lightning and loss of headphone jack.
Alan Browne wrote:
Therefore the huge number of Lightning cables that still have years
of life in them will be forced to earlier retirement (or force users
to buy adaptors: more e-waste). Before you shrug this off, bear in
mind that most smartphone users have 2, 3 or more cables because they
charge at home, car, office, etc.
Why is this "bad" but when Apple does it for its own reasons it's "good"?
See adoption of lightning and loss of headphone jack.
You don't have kids or other non-technical people in your household,
do you? Their ability to damage cables is quite something.
In article <ub16ge$3l36$[email protected]>, sms
<[email protected]> wrote:
Phones with Lightning adapters won't suddenly disappear, they will be
operating for many more years, likely outliving the cables.
the cables will easily outlive the phones.
On 2023-08-10 08:12, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Therefore the huge number of Lightning cables that still have years
of life in them will be forced to earlier retirement (or force users
to buy adaptors: more e-waste). Before you shrug this off, bear in
mind that most smartphone users have 2, 3 or more cables because they
charge at home, car, office, etc.
Why is this "bad" but when Apple does it for its own reasons it's "good"?
See adoption of lightning and loss of headphone jack.
As I've mentioned many times, Apple wanted to improve the connector and
get away from the 30 pin connector. Nobody objected to that.
Market entry: iPhone 5 in Sept 2012. (Retained the audio TRRS port).
Had USB-C existed they likely would have gone that route.
(Also, as mentioned: Apple were part of the USB-C design group).
Market entry: Android: April 2015.
Near 3 years later.
Apple provided a small adaptor for those with TRRS headphones. We still
have one from my SO's iPhone 7 - or rather my son uses it - that thing
is now 7 years old.
Getting rid of the TRS (a late 1800's innovation) port is hardly a bad
thing.
Now, had the EU slow as molasses bureaucrats actually gotten their
bandwagon rolling in 2016/17 and adopted the ruling for 2018, then this
whole fiasco would be downgraded to an irritant now long past.
But, no, the EU slow as molasses bureaucrats had to wait through what is likely the greater half of the USB-C lifecycle as a new standard is
likely to come along requiring a different physical connector.
Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-10 08:12, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Therefore the huge number of Lightning cables that still have years
of life in them will be forced to earlier retirement (or force users >>>>> to buy adaptors: more e-waste). Before you shrug this off, bear in
mind that most smartphone users have 2, 3 or more cables because they >>>>> charge at home, car, office, etc.
Why is this "bad" but when Apple does it for its own reasons it's "good"? >>> See adoption of lightning and loss of headphone jack.
As I've mentioned many times, Apple wanted to improve the connector and
get away from the 30 pin connector. Nobody objected to that.
Market entry: iPhone 5 in Sept 2012. (Retained the audio TRRS port).
Had USB-C existed they likely would have gone that route.
(Also, as mentioned: Apple were part of the USB-C design group).
Market entry: Android: April 2015.
Near 3 years later.
Apple provided a small adaptor for those with TRRS headphones. We still
have one from my SO's iPhone 7 - or rather my son uses it - that thing
is now 7 years old.
Getting rid of the TRS (a late 1800's innovation) port is hardly a bad
thing.
If it ain't broke...
Now, had the EU slow as molasses bureaucrats actually gotten their
bandwagon rolling in 2016/17 and adopted the ruling for 2018, then this
whole fiasco would be downgraded to an irritant now long past.
If your wonderful market worked as you said it does we wouldn't be here at all.
But, no, the EU slow as molasses bureaucrats had to wait through what is
likely the greater half of the USB-C lifecycle as a new standard is
likely to come along requiring a different physical connector.
As I showed you elsewhere the EU are acting now because the market hasn't worked. They agreed an MoU with the manufacturers in 2011 around chargers
and now they're fed up waiting for the ports.
Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-10 08:12, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Therefore the huge number of Lightning cables that still have years
of life in them will be forced to earlier retirement (or force users >>>>> to buy adaptors: more e-waste). Before you shrug this off, bear in
mind that most smartphone users have 2, 3 or more cables because they >>>>> charge at home, car, office, etc.
Why is this "bad" but when Apple does it for its own reasons it's "good"? >>> See adoption of lightning and loss of headphone jack.
As I've mentioned many times, Apple wanted to improve the connector and
get away from the 30 pin connector. Nobody objected to that.
Market entry: iPhone 5 in Sept 2012. (Retained the audio TRRS port).
Had USB-C existed they likely would have gone that route.
(Also, as mentioned: Apple were part of the USB-C design group).
Market entry: Android: April 2015.
Near 3 years later.
Apple provided a small adaptor for those with TRRS headphones. We still
have one from my SO's iPhone 7 - or rather my son uses it - that thing
is now 7 years old.
Getting rid of the TRS (a late 1800's innovation) port is hardly a bad
thing.
If it ain't broke...
Now, had the EU slow as molasses bureaucrats actually gotten their
bandwagon rolling in 2016/17 and adopted the ruling for 2018, then this
whole fiasco would be downgraded to an irritant now long past.
If your wonderful market worked as you said it does we wouldn't be here at all.
But, no, the EU slow as molasses bureaucrats had to wait through what is
likely the greater half of the USB-C lifecycle as a new standard is
likely to come along requiring a different physical connector.
As I showed you elsewhere the EU are acting now because the market hasn't worked. They agreed an MoU with the manufacturers in 2011 around chargers
and now they're fed up waiting for the ports.
On 2023-08-10 10:32, Chris wrote:
As I showed you elsewhere the EU are acting now because the market hasn't
worked. They agreed an MoU with the manufacturers in 2011 around chargers
and now they're fed up waiting for the ports.
Cite this memorandum.
Of course Apple could also simply have no connector at all.
Wireless everything including charging and wireless earphones.
(I am not for this option as wireless charging wastes energy).
Size of files is meaningless.
also false. for small files, the difference in speed is negligible and
most likely not even noticeable,
Ppl notice the difference between HDD and SSD, even in the early days. The difference between USB 2 & 3 noticeable.
and that's ignoring the overhead of
connecting a cable (versus wireless transfer). for larger files, the difference can become significant.
Wireless transfer also has an overhead excl. AirDrop.
Or are you saying that anyone who just uses email only needs dial-up
broadband too?
dial-up is not broadband, but to your point, they certainly don't need
50 mbit service for just email.
also, i seem to recall you saying that gigabit was overkill.
Sure that's my opinion, but I won't stop people paying for it if they want it.
Apple limiting the speed of their USB ports is very different. They're removing choice.
In article <ub2k74$c6nk$[email protected]>, Chris <[email protected]>
wrote:
Size of files is meaningless.
also false. for small files, the difference in speed is negligible and
most likely not even noticeable,
Ppl notice the difference between HDD and SSD, even in the early days. The >> difference between USB 2 & 3 noticeable.
that depends if an app is cpu-bound or i/o-bound.
if it's cpu-bound, fast storage isn't going to make much of a
difference.
if it's i/o bound and the data is external (local network or internet)
then an ssd or usb3 isn't going to help that much.
and that's ignoring the overhead of
connecting a cable (versus wireless transfer). for larger files, the
difference can become significant.
Wireless transfer also has an overhead excl. AirDrop.
no it doesn't, and often happens in the background.
in many cases, data can be transferred over cellular in the background
while the user is nowhere near the computer for a cable to even be an
option.
Or are you saying that anyone who just uses email only needs dial-up
broadband too?
dial-up is not broadband, but to your point, they certainly don't need
50 mbit service for just email.
also, i seem to recall you saying that gigabit was overkill.
Sure that's my opinion, but I won't stop people paying for it if they want >> it.
exactly the same for any other feature.
not everyone needs the same thing.
Apple limiting the speed of their USB ports is very different. They're
removing choice.
first of all, limiting speed is a *rumour*. maybe it will happen and
maybe it won't. not all rumours end up being true.
nevertheless, assuming it is true, users still have the choice to buy a higher end model with faster wired speeds and various other features
that a higher end model has (faster processor, better display, better
camera, etc.)
as i said, most people won't ever notice the difference in data
transfer speed because they don't use the usb port for data transfer.
In article <ub336k$e7hi$[email protected]>, Chris <[email protected]>
wrote:
Phones with Lightning adapters won't suddenly disappear, they will be
operating for many more years, likely outliving the cables.
the cables will easily outlive the phones.
You don't have kids or other non-technical people in your household, do
you? Their ability to damage cables is quite something.
that ability is not limited to cables.
In article <ub36vf$epd7$[email protected]>, Chris <[email protected]>
wrote:
As I showed you elsewhere the EU are acting now because the market hasn't
worked.
it did work. apple was one of the first companies in the industry to transition to usb-c, back in 2015 with the retina macbook, followed by
the ipad a couple of years later. the iphone would have moved to usb-c without the eu's meddling (and in fact, had been rumoured for some
time). changing all products at once back then was not a viable option
for all sorts of reasons.
On 8/10/2023 9:46 AM, badgolferman wrote:
Chris wrote:
You don't have kids or other non-technical people in your household,
do you? Their ability to damage cables is quite something.
I absolutely agree with this statement!
Adults, and technical people, are perfectly capable of destroying
cables that are of questionable quality.
nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
In article <ub16ge$3l36$[email protected]>, sms
<[email protected]> wrote:
Phones with Lightning adapters won't suddenly disappear, they will
be operating for many more years, likely outliving the cables.
the cables will easily outlive the phones.
You don't have kids or other non-technical people in your household,
do you? Their ability to damage cables is quite something.
Chris wrote:
You don't have kids or other non-technical people in your household,
do you? Their ability to damage cables is quite something.
I absolutely agree with this statement!
Chris wrote:
You don't have kids or other non-technical people in your household,
do you? Their ability to damage cables is quite something.
I absolutely agree with this statement!
On 2023-08-10, badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
Chris wrote:
You don't have kids or other non-technical people in your
household, do you? Their ability to damage cables is quite
something.
I absolutely agree with this statement!
I was a kid with lots of exposure to electronics and haven't ever
destroyed cables this way. What did my parents do wrong?
Chris wrote:
You don't have kids or other non-technical people in your household,
do you? Their ability to damage cables is quite something.
I absolutely agree with this statement!
On 2023-08-10, Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
In article <ub16ge$3l36$[email protected]>, sms
<[email protected]> wrote:
Phones with Lightning adapters won't suddenly disappear, they will
be operating for many more years, likely outliving the cables.
the cables will easily outlive the phones.
You don't have kids or other non-technical people in your household,
do you? Their ability to damage cables is quite something.
Then their parents didn't teach them basic cable care best practices
like mine did. Always grasp the hard connector when connecting and disconnecting, and avoid significantly bending and stressing the wire,
and your cables will last a long, long time. This is basic stuff every
child should be taught - that is, if their parents actually give a shit
about electronics.
Alan Browne wrote:
Of course Apple could also simply have no connector at all. Wireless
everything including charging and wireless earphones. (I am not for
this option as wireless charging wastes energy).
I'm surprised they haven't already. They would be able to make their
phones even thinner, with a super tiny battery. Very sheik these days.
Turn it sideways, and it looks like a razor blade viewed edge on.
badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
Chris wrote:
You don't have kids or other non-technical people in your household,
do you? Their ability to damage cables is quite something.
I absolutely agree with this statement!
I keep trying to explain “pull it out by the plug, not the cable” but I might as well talk to a brick wall for al the good it does.
Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-10, badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
Chris wrote:
You don't have kids or other non-technical people in your
household, do you? Their ability to damage cables is quite
something.
I absolutely agree with this statement!
I was a kid with lots of exposure to electronics and haven't ever
destroyed cables this way. What did my parents do wrong?
They didn't give you flimsy iPhone cables.
They didn't give you flimsy iPhone cables.
I've owned many iPhone cables, and have some that are over 10 years old
and still working fine. What am I doing wrong?
On 12 Aug 2023 at 2:28:03 AM, Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
They didn't give you flimsy iPhone cables.
I've owned many iPhone cables, and have some that are over 10 years old
and still working fine. What am I doing wrong?
You pretend that the whole world doesn't know the Apple cables are flimsy.
I've owned many iPhone cables, and have some that are over 10 years old
and still working fine. What am I doing wrong?
On 2023-08-11 21:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
I've owned many iPhone cables, and have some that are over 10 years
old and still working fine. What am I doing wrong?
A good place to wear them out quick is in a car. Because the cable
may be forced into a tighter "turn" and is exposed to high heat in the
summer and some UV, it tends to be hard on the sheath.
I've got an Apple "short" Lightning in my car that's looking a bit sad
(I'll be adding more Sugru to it soon), but that cable has been fine
for approx 9 years otherwise. Probably good until this iPhone is
replaced and that's 1 - 2 years away. Maybe more.
On 12 Aug 2023 at 2:28:03 AM, Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
They didn't give you flimsy iPhone cables.
I've owned many iPhone cables, and have some that are over 10 years
old and still working fine. What am I doing wrong?
You pretend that the whole world doesn't know the Apple cables are
flimsy.
On 2023-08-12, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-11 21:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
I've owned many iPhone cables, and have some that are over 10 years
old and still working fine. What am I doing wrong?
A good place to wear them out quick is in a car. Because the cable
may be forced into a tighter "turn" and is exposed to high heat in the
summer and some UV, it tends to be hard on the sheath.
Emphasis on "may"...
I've got an Apple "short" Lightning in my car that's looking a bit sad
(I'll be adding more Sugru to it soon), but that cable has been fine
for approx 9 years otherwise. Probably good until this iPhone is
replaced and that's 1 - 2 years away. Maybe more.
They last a long time when you take care of them, like any other cable.
I've used the same Lightning to USB cable in the car for an iPhone
running dash cam software since 2008, and it still looks and works fine
too.
On 2023-08-12 17:59, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-12, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-11 21:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
I've owned many iPhone cables, and have some that are over 10 years
old and still working fine. What am I doing wrong?
A good place to wear them out quick is in a car. Because the cable
may be forced into a tighter "turn" and is exposed to high heat in
the summer and some UV, it tends to be hard on the sheath.
Emphasis on "may"...
Not at all. That's not a great set of conditions: mechanical strain,
heat and UV. I have a lot of cables of about that age - none have the
same wear near the connector.
They last a long time when you take care of them, like any other cable.
I've used the same Lightning to USB cable in the car for an iPhone
running dash cam software since 2008, and it still looks and works fine
too.
On 12 Aug 2023 at 2:28:03 AM, Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
They didn't give you flimsy iPhone cables.
I've owned many iPhone cables, and have some that are over 10 years old
and still working fine. What am I doing wrong?
You pretend that the whole world doesn't know the Apple cables are flimsy.
In article <[email protected]>,
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
They last a long time when you take care of them, like any other cable.
I've used the same Lightning to USB cable in the car for an iPhone
running dash cam software since 2008, and it still looks and works fine
too.
you must be a very early adaptor. Up to now it was agreed in this thread
that Lightning was introduced in 2012.
On 2023-08-13, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-12 17:59, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-12, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-11 21:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
I've owned many iPhone cables, and have some that are over 10 years
old and still working fine. What am I doing wrong?
A good place to wear them out quick is in a car. Because the cable
may be forced into a tighter "turn" and is exposed to high heat in
the summer and some UV, it tends to be hard on the sheath.
Emphasis on "may"...
Not at all. That's not a great set of conditions: mechanical strain,
heat and UV. I have a lot of cables of about that age - none have the
same wear near the connector.
The cable I'm using in the car has been in use since 2008 - fifteen
years - and has no visible wear at the connector because it's not under
Andreas Rutishauser <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
They last a long time when you take care of them, like any other
cable. I've used the same Lightning to USB cable in the car for an
iPhone running dash cam software since 2008, and it still looks and
works fine too.
you must be a very early adaptor. Up to now it was agreed in this
thread that Lightning was introduced in 2012.
Let’s see if Jolly Roger is man enough to admit being wrong. Any bets?
On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 06:18:33 +0100, Quellen <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 12 Aug 2023 at 2:28:03 AM, Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
They didn't give you flimsy iPhone cables.
I've owned many iPhone cables, and have some that are over 10 years
old and still working fine. What am I doing wrong?
You pretend that the whole world doesn't know the Apple cables are
flimsy.
I'd agree with that. Most things that Apple sell are an amazing feat
of engineering. Beautifully designed and manufactured. But their
cables don't come anywhere near their normal standard. I usually buy
Anker cables, which I've always been very happy with.
In article <[email protected]>,
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
They last a long time when you take care of them, like any other
cable. I've used the same Lightning to USB cable in the car for an
iPhone running dash cam software since 2008, and it still looks and
works fine too.
you must be a very early adaptor. Up to now it was agreed in this
thread that Lightning was introduced in 2012.
On 2023-08-12 22:11, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-13, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-12 17:59, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-12, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-11 21:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
I've owned many iPhone cables, and have some that are over 10
years old and still working fine. What am I doing wrong?
A good place to wear them out quick is in a car. Because the
cable may be forced into a tighter "turn" and is exposed to high
heat in the summer and some UV, it tends to be hard on the sheath.
Emphasis on "may"...
Not at all. That's not a great set of conditions: mechanical
strain, heat and UV. I have a lot of cables of about that age -
none have the same wear near the connector.
The cable I'm using in the car has been in use since 2008 - fifteen
years - and has no visible wear at the connector because it's not
under
As Andreas caught: the Lightning cable was introduced in 2012...
On 2023-08-13, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-12 22:11, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-13, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-12 17:59, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-12, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-11 21:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
I've owned many iPhone cables, and have some that are over 10
years old and still working fine. What am I doing wrong?
A good place to wear them out quick is in a car. Because the
cable may be forced into a tighter "turn" and is exposed to high
heat in the summer and some UV, it tends to be hard on the sheath.
Emphasis on "may"...
Not at all. That's not a great set of conditions: mechanical
strain, heat and UV. I have a lot of cables of about that age -
none have the same wear near the connector.
The cable I'm using in the car has been in use since 2008 - fifteen
years - and has no visible wear at the connector because it's not
under
As Andreas caught: the Lightning cable was introduced in 2012...
So it's "only" eleven years old... 🙂
On 2023-08-13, badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
Andreas Rutishauser <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
They last a long time when you take care of them, like any other
cable. I've used the same Lightning to USB cable in the car for an
iPhone running dash cam software since 2008, and it still looks and
works fine too.
you must be a very early adaptor. Up to now it was agreed in this
thread that Lightning was introduced in 2012.
Let’s see if Jolly Roger is man enough to admit being wrong. Any bets?
Now let's see if badgolferman and the rest of Arlen's trollboi gang
continue their bogus claim that "JollyRoger never admits he's wrong"
even after this. I know where my money is.
On 2023-08-13 13:33, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-13, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-12 22:11, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-13, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-12 17:59, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-12, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-11 21:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
I've owned many iPhone cables, and have some that are over 10
years old and still working fine. What am I doing wrong?
A good place to wear them out quick is in a car. Because the
cable may be forced into a tighter "turn" and is exposed to high >>>>>>> heat in the summer and some UV, it tends to be hard on the
sheath.
Emphasis on "may"...
Not at all. That's not a great set of conditions: mechanical
strain, heat and UV. I have a lot of cables of about that age -
none have the same wear near the connector.
The cable I'm using in the car has been in use since 2008 - fifteen
years - and has no visible wear at the connector because it's not
under
As Andreas caught: the Lightning cable was introduced in 2012...
So it's "only" eleven years old... 🙂
Yeah but you keep it indoor garage all nice and chill and out of the
sun - pretty much cheating.
There hasn't been room in my garage for a car since the 90's.
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-13, badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
Andreas Rutishauser <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
They last a long time when you take care of them, like any other
cable. I've used the same Lightning to USB cable in the car for
an iPhone running dash cam software since 2008, and it still looks
and works fine too.
you must be a very early adaptor. Up to now it was agreed in this
thread that Lightning was introduced in 2012.
Let’s see if Jolly Roger is man enough to admit being wrong. Any
bets?
Now let's see if badgolferman and the rest of Arlen's trollboi gang
continue their bogus claim that "JollyRoger never admits he's wrong"
even after this. I know where my money is.
You still didn’t admit to being wrong. You only acknowledged a “correction”.
On 2023-08-13, badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-13, badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
Andreas Rutishauser <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
They last a long time when you take care of them, like any other
cable. I've used the same Lightning to USB cable in the car for
an iPhone running dash cam software since 2008, and it still looks >>>>>> and works fine too.
you must be a very early adaptor. Up to now it was agreed in this
thread that Lightning was introduced in 2012.
Let’s see if Jolly Roger is man enough to admit being wrong. Any
bets?
Now let's see if badgolferman and the rest of Arlen's trollboi gang
continue their bogus claim that "JollyRoger never admits he's wrong"
even after this. I know where my money is.
You still didn’t admit to being wrong. You only acknowledged a
“correction”.
🤣 What do you correct, if not something that was incorrect? You're
being ridiculous. I admit I was wrong, and am thankful for the
correction. I've also admitted I was wrong in the past when I have
actually been wrong about things. You ignored those instances, and it's
clear you're going to ignore this one as well. Because that's who you
are as a person.
On 2023-08-13, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-13 13:33, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-13, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-12 22:11, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-13, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-12 17:59, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-08-12, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-08-11 21:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
I've owned many iPhone cables, and have some that are over 10 >>>>>>>>> years old and still working fine. What am I doing wrong?
A good place to wear them out quick is in a car. Because the
cable may be forced into a tighter "turn" and is exposed to high >>>>>>>> heat in the summer and some UV, it tends to be hard on the
sheath.
Emphasis on "may"...
Not at all. That's not a great set of conditions: mechanical
strain, heat and UV. I have a lot of cables of about that age -
none have the same wear near the connector.
The cable I'm using in the car has been in use since 2008 - fifteen
years - and has no visible wear at the connector because it's not
under
As Andreas caught: the Lightning cable was introduced in 2012...
So it's "only" eleven years old... 🙂
Yeah but you keep it indoor garage all nice and chill and out of the
sun - pretty much cheating.
If you are trying to claim I never park my car in the sunlight when I am
out of the house at work, shopping, on road trips, and so on, you'd be
dead wrong about that. People who have garages aren't "cheaters". And
neither are people who use basic best practices to take good care of
their cables. 🤣
There hasn't been room in my garage for a car since the 90's.
Apparently, you chose to use your garage for other purposes, and that's
on you.
On 8/12/2023 11:55 PM, Andreas Rutishauser wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
They last a long time when you take care of them, like any other cable.
I've used the same Lightning to USB cable in the car for an iPhone
running dash cam software since 2008, and it still looks and works fine
too.
you must be a very early adaptor. Up to now it was agreed in this thread
that Lightning was introduced in 2012.
That's how dedicated he is, he used Lightning for four years prior to it existing.
The reality is that you can buy a good quality MFi-certified, Lighting
cable that will last a long time, but the OEM cables supplied with an
iPhone is not one of those cables.
Typically, the contacts on an OEM Lightning cable start to wear-out or corrode in under a year. The cables fray, because they aren't properly reinforced at the ends, even sooner.
You can buy a gadget that reinforces the cable end pretty cheaply, see <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GR18ZC3>. Or you can buy higher quality
cables with proper reinforcement than won't fray, i.e. <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B081QDVGLT> though this doesn't solve the
issue of the contacts wearing out. The better option is to use wireless charging whenever possible.
In article <[email protected]>,
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
They last a long time when you take care of them, like any other cable.
I've used the same Lightning to USB cable in the car for an iPhone
running dash cam software since 2008, and it still looks and works fine
too.
you must be a very early adaptor. Up to now it was agreed in this thread
that Lightning was introduced in 2012.
Typically, the contacts on an OEM Lightning cable start to wear-out or corrode in under a year.
The cables fray, because they aren't properly
reinforced at the ends, even sooner.
Typically, the contacts on an OEM Lightning cable start to wear-out or corrode in under a year. The cables fray, because they aren't properly reinforced at the ends, even sooner.
sms <[email protected]> wrote:
Typically, the contacts on an OEM Lightning cable start to wear-out or
corrode in under a year. The cables fray, because they aren't properly
reinforced at the ends, even sooner.
That very well might have been your experience, but I have never had a lightening cable do that ever. I have never had a lighting cable go bad in any form or scenario.
On 8/12/2023 11:55 PM, Andreas Rutishauser wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
They last a long time when you take care of them, like any other cable.
I've used the same Lightning to USB cable in the car for an iPhone
running dash cam software since 2008, and it still looks and works fine
too.
you must be a very early adaptor. Up to now it was agreed in this thread
that Lightning was introduced in 2012.
That's how dedicated he is, he used Lightning for four years prior to it existing.
The reality is that you can buy a good quality MFi-certified, Lighting
cable that will last a long time, but the OEM cables supplied with an
iPhone is not one of those cables.
Typically, the contacts on an OEM Lightning cable start to wear-out or corrode in under a year. The cables fray, because they aren't properly reinforced at the ends, even sooner.
You can buy a gadget that reinforces the cable end pretty cheaply, see <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GR18ZC3>. Or you can buy higher quality
cables with proper reinforcement than won't fray, i.e. <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B081QDVGLT> though this doesn't solve the
issue of the contacts wearing out. The better option is to use wireless charging whenever possible.
sms <[email protected]> wrote:
Typically, the contacts on an OEM Lightning cable start to wear-out or
corrode in under a year. The cables fray, because they aren't properly
reinforced at the ends, even sooner.
That very well might have been your experience, but I have never had a lightening cable do that ever. I have never had a lighting cable go bad in any form or scenario.
—
Paul Goodman
That very well might have been your experience, but I have never had a lightening cable do that ever. I have never had a lighting cable go bad in any form or scenario.
Clever response since there is no such thing as a "lightening cable" or
a "lighting cable."
I was discussing Lightning cables, which are used on
the iPhone and on some iPads.
On 8/15/2023 1:32 PM, Paul Goodman wrote:
sms <[email protected]> wrote:
Typically, the contacts on an OEM Lightning cable start to wear-out or
corrode in under a year. The cables fray, because they aren't properly
reinforced at the ends, even sooner.
That very well might have been your experience, but I have never had a
lightening cable do that ever. I have never had a lighting cable go
bad in
any form or scenario.
—
Paul Goodman
Clever response since there is no such thing as a "lightening cable" or
a "lighting cable." I was discussing Lightning cables, which are used on
the iPhone and on some iPads.
On 8/15/2023 1:32 PM, Paul Goodman wrote:
sms <[email protected]> wrote:
Typically, the contacts on an OEM Lightning cable start to wear-out or
corrode in under a year. The cables fray, because they aren't properly
reinforced at the ends, even sooner.
That very well might have been your experience, but I have never had a
lightening cable do that ever. I have never had a lighting cable go bad in >> any form or scenario.
—
Paul Goodman
Clever response since there is no such thing as a "lightening cable" or
a "lighting cable." I was discussing Lightning cables, which are used on
the iPhone and on some iPads.
Clever response since there is no such thing as a "lightening
cable" or a "lighting cable."
bashing someone's spelling? really??
On 8/15/2023 1:32 PM, Paul Goodman wrote:
sms <[email protected]> wrote:
Typically, the contacts on an OEM Lightning cable start to wear-out or
corrode in under a year. The cables fray, because they aren't properly
reinforced at the ends, even sooner.
That very well might have been your experience, but I have never had a
lightening cable do that ever. I have never had a lighting cable go
bad in
any form or scenario.
—
Paul Goodman
Clever response since there is no such thing as a "lightening cable" or
a "lighting cable." I was discussing Lightning cables, which are used on
the iPhone and on some iPads.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be flip. The fact that the other poster, in
two different places in his response, used two different ways of
referring to the cable, led me to believe he was not being forthright.
The purpose of the written word is to facilitate clear communication
between people over distances and time periods. Proper spelling and
grammar facilitates that communication, and without that there can be a certain level of miscommunication.
Clever response since there is no such thing as a "lightening
cable" or a "lighting cable."
bashing someone's spelling? really??
The purpose of the written word is to facilitate clear communication
between people over distances and time periods. Proper spelling and
grammar facilitates that communication, and without that there can be a certain level of miscommunication.
On 2023-08-16 09:36, sms wrote:
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be flip. The fact that the other poster, in
two different places in his response, used two different ways of
referring to the cable, led me to believe he was not being forthright.
Correct: you were not trying to be flip.
You were using typos as an excuse to dodge your own BS.
The iPhone 15 Pro models with USB-C ports are expected to support higher-speed data transfers, while the standard iPhone 15 models will continue to feature USB 2.0 speeds � the same as Lightning � giving the
Pro models an edge.
Looking at recent phones they seem to have USB C connectors for charging
and data, but the underlying USB protocol is USB 2.
Any specific reason?
I vaguely recall a Samsung a good few years back having a special
connector for a special cable to allow higher speed transfers, but that
was back in the mists of time.
posted today in the android group:
nospam wrote:
posted today in the android group:
What are you doing in the Android group? Do you have one of their
devices?
What are you doing in the Android group? Do you have one of their
devices?
In article <[email protected]>,
badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
What are you doing in the Android group? Do you have one of their
devices?
several, not that it matters, since ownership of a particular product
is not required to participate in any group.
you also are avoiding the hypocrisy i pointed out.
On 8/12/2023 11:55 PM, Andreas Rutishauser wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
They last a long time when you take care of them, like any other
cable. I've used the same Lightning to USB cable in the car for an
iPhone running dash cam software since 2008, and it still looks and
works fine too.
you must be a very early adaptor. Up to now it was agreed in this
thread that Lightning was introduced in 2012.
That's how dedicated he is, he used Lightning for four years prior to
it existing.
The reality is that you can buy a good quality MFi-certified, Lighting
cable that will last a long time, but the OEM cables supplied with an
iPhone is not one of those cables.
Typically, the contacts on an OEM Lightning cable start to wear-out or corrode in under a year.
The cables fray, because they aren't properly reinforced at the ends,
even sooner.
On 8/15/2023 1:32 PM, Paul Goodman wrote:
sms <[email protected]> wrote:
Typically, the contacts on an OEM Lightning cable start to wear-out
or corrode in under a year. The cables fray, because they aren't
properly reinforced at the ends, even sooner.
That very well might have been your experience, but I have never had
a lightening cable do that ever. I have never had a lighting cable go
bad in any form or scenario.
— Paul Goodman
Clever response since there is no such thing as a "lightening cable"
or a "lighting cable." I was discussing Lightning cables, which are
used on the iPhone and on some iPads.
On 8/16/2023 4:17 AM, badgolferman wrote:
<snip>
The purpose of the written word is to facilitate clear communication
between people over distances and time periods. Proper spelling and
grammar facilitates that communication, and without that there can be
a certain level of miscommunication.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be flip. The fact that the other poster, in
two different places in his response, used two different ways of
referring to the cable, led me to believe he was not being forthright.
nospam wrote:
posted today in the android group:
What are you doing in the Android group? Do you have one of their
devices?
On 2023-08-18 12:34, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 16.08.23 um 20:30 schrieb badgolferman:
nospam wrote:
posted today in the android group:
What are you doing in the Android group? Do you have one of their
devices?
Netcop?
Worse: it's a troll.
Am 16.08.23 um 20:30 schrieb badgolferman:
nospam wrote:
posted today in the android group:
What are you doing in the Android group? Do you have one of their
devices?
Netcop?
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