On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 12:15:14 PM UTC-4, Alan Browne wrote:

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With USB-C, I won't be able to charge my iPads or current iPhones or my Apple TV remote with the new cables.

Transitions are always a touchy thing, because one doesn't necessarily transition everything over at once. So while we initially think of the issue being "just" an iPhone and maybe an iPad, there's also the ATV remote,
an Apple mouse, etc ... and these are products which can very easily last
well over five years.

As cables wear out (the one in my car, for example, had a cracked cable casing - I'll Suguru it (again) but that will just move the stress point
up the cable) it will likely have to be replaced with a Lightning cable
now, and with a USB-C cable in a couple years (when I change phones).

Suguru .. I'd not heard that term before.

Is this the stuff?

<https://sugru.com/buy/sugru-mouldable-glue>

If so, looks like a pretty interesting little product; an alternative to using electrical tape or thermal shrink tube.

This is a separate cable from the one I use in the house and separate
from the one I use at work.

It is similar to how (original) USB started out expensive such that one
hoarded one's cables, but as they got affordable, it was cheap & easy to 'overprovision' for sake of convenience. Pretty soon, one has a cable
that stays with each desktop, a few charging stations around the home,
plus a cable in each car, and then even one that's dedicated to one's
travel carry-on bag, so as to not have to disassemble any of the above
before every trip. Cost-wise, this was pretty easy to accumulate for free
when each new device came with its own wall charger & cable, which
was where Lightning hit its stride vs the competition (USB Mini, Micro,
various proprietary connectors, etc).

-hh

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On 2023-08-06 14:02, -hh wrote:

On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 12:15:14 PM UTC-4, Alan Browne wrote:

...
With USB-C, I won't be able to charge my iPads or current iPhones or my
Apple TV remote with the new cables.

Transitions are always a touchy thing, because one doesn't necessarily transition everything over at once. So while we initially think of the issue being "just" an iPhone and maybe an iPad, there's also the ATV remote,
an Apple mouse, etc ... and these are products which can very easily last well over five years.

It's sort of at a "good" point in our widget lifecycle. Other than our
iPads which won't be replaced for a long time, my SO will be getting a
new iPhone this fall which will almost certainly be USB-C, and I'll be
getting a new Mac (hopefully) this fall which is at least Thunderbolt 4
(same connector as USB-C).

If I get a Mac Studio it will also have two original style USB connector
(USB Type-A - with USB 3.1 spec performance).

My SO got a new Macbook Air a couple years ago, and it is TB-4 too.

I've had to replace a cable on her backup drive to avoid using an adaptor.

But this will leave a lot of Lightning cables around the house. I'll
probably buy some more adaptors. More e-waste. Because: EU regs.

As cables wear out (the one in my car, for example, had a cracked cable
casing - I'll Suguru it (again) but that will just move the stress point
up the cable) it will likely have to be replaced with a Lightning cable
now, and with a USB-C cable in a couple years (when I change phones).

Suguru .. I'd not heard that term before.

Is this the stuff?

<https://sugru.com/buy/sugru-mouldable-glue>

If so, looks like a pretty interesting little product; an alternative to using electrical tape or thermal shrink tube.

Yes indeed. I've repaired/patched various things with it - esp. where flexibility is needed in the result.

Downside is once opened, that packet has to be used entirely. So I "accumulate" a few things needing the job and do them all at once.

Upside: I've used packets 2+ years beyond their expiry data with no
problem at all.

Note that I let it cure 48 hours. Their 12-24 hour claim is optimistic.

Shrink tube is best - but can't get it over the connectors in most cases.

This is a separate cable from the one I use in the house and separate
from the one I use at work.

It is similar to how (original) USB started out expensive such that one hoarded one's cables, but as they got affordable, it was cheap & easy to 'overprovision' for sake of convenience. Pretty soon, one has a cable
that stays with each desktop, a few charging stations around the home,
plus a cable in each car, and then even one that's dedicated to one's
travel carry-on bag, so as to not have to disassemble any of the above
before every trip. Cost-wise, this was pretty easy to accumulate for free when each new device came with its own wall charger & cable, which
was where Lightning hit its stride vs the competition (USB Mini, Micro, various proprietary connectors, etc).

Last year I included a few dozen cables of various sorts for the trip to
the eco-centre where I take old electronics (paint, chemicals,
batteries...) and I'm still swimming in them.



--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

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On 2023-08-06, -hh <[email protected]> wrote:

On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 12:15:14 PM UTC-4, Alan Browne wrote:

As cables wear out (the one in my car, for example, had a cracked
cable casing - I'll Suguru it (again) but that will just move the
stress point up the cable) it will likely have to be replaced with a
Lightning cable now, and with a USB-C cable in a couple years (when I
change phones).

Suguru .. I'd not heard that term before.

Is this the stuff?

<https://sugru.com/buy/sugru-mouldable-glue>

If so, looks like a pretty interesting little product; an alternative
to using electrical tape or thermal shrink tube.

I've used Suguru before. Personally I prefer self-fusing
(self-vulcanizing) tape:

<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=self-fusing+tape>

Less hassle, stronger, and lasts longer.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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On 2023-08-06 16:19, Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2023-08-06, -hh <[email protected]> wrote:

On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 12:15:14 PM UTC-4, Alan Browne wrote:

As cables wear out (the one in my car, for example, had a cracked
cable casing - I'll Suguru it (again) but that will just move the
stress point up the cable) it will likely have to be replaced with a
Lightning cable now, and with a USB-C cable in a couple years (when I
change phones).

Suguru .. I'd not heard that term before.

Is this the stuff?

<https://sugru.com/buy/sugru-mouldable-glue>

If so, looks like a pretty interesting little product; an alternative
to using electrical tape or thermal shrink tube.

I've used Suguru before. Personally I prefer self-fusing
(self-vulcanizing) tape:

<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=self-fusing+tape>

Less hassle, stronger, and lasts longer.

Depends on the application - you can't "mold" into parts with the tape
much or make an unusual shaped part as the tape has to be in tension
when applied for it to fuse. It's meant to be wrapped around things, IOW.

Sugru certainly has lasted ... years and years, so no issue there.

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

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On 8. Aug 2023 at 22:29:20 CEST, "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:

That's the thing I'd be far more prepared to sink a few hundred quid on quality, wired headphones that will last rather than short lived wireless ones.

I was with you on this until very recently.
Then I bought those <https://shop.fairphone.com/fairbuds-xl> and love them.

I´m really a "cable lover" (cabled keyboard, cabled trackball, cabled everything) but it really IS very nice to be able to leave the desk while
still listening to music.

Let´s see if they have replacement batteries in 30 years - but maybe my own batteries have expired by then 8-)

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On 8/8/2023 11:48 PM, Bernd Froehlich wrote:

On 8. Aug 2023 at 22:29:20 CEST, "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:

That's the thing I'd be far more prepared to sink a few hundred quid on
quality, wired headphones that will last rather than short lived wireless
ones.

I was with you on this until very recently.
Then I bought those <https://shop.fairphone.com/fairbuds-xl> and love them.

I´m really a "cable lover" (cabled keyboard, cabled trackball, cabled everything) but it really IS very nice to be able to leave the desk while still listening to music.

Let´s see if they have replacement batteries in 30 years - but maybe my own batteries have expired by then 8-)

I have two sets of wired/wireless headphones with ANC of excellent
quality. But one annoyance is that there is no wired microphone, for the microphone you have to use them in Bluetooth mode. Really need the wired capability for use on airplanes, though as more airlines remove
in-flight entertainment systems this need will eventually go away.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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sms <[email protected]> wrote:

On 8/8/2023 11:48 PM, Bernd Froehlich wrote:

On 8. Aug 2023 at 22:29:20 CEST, "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:

That's the thing I'd be far more prepared to sink a few hundred quid on
quality, wired headphones that will last rather than short lived wireless >>> ones.

I was with you on this until very recently.
Then I bought those <https://shop.fairphone.com/fairbuds-xl> and love them. >>
I´m really a "cable lover" (cabled keyboard, cabled trackball, cabled
everything) but it really IS very nice to be able to leave the desk while
still listening to music.

Let´s see if they have replacement batteries in 30 years - but maybe my own >> batteries have expired by then 8-)

I have two sets of wired/wireless headphones with ANC of excellent
quality. But one annoyance is that there is no wired microphone, for the microphone you have to use them in Bluetooth mode. Really need the wired capability for use on airplanes, though as more airlines remove
in-flight entertainment systems this need will eventually go away.

Eh? What? What do they expect us to do for 8 hours on a flight?

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Bernd Froehlich <[email protected]> wrote:

On 8. Aug 2023 at 22:29:20 CEST, "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:

That's the thing I'd be far more prepared to sink a few hundred quid on
quality, wired headphones that will last rather than short lived wireless
ones.

I was with you on this until very recently.
Then I bought those <https://shop.fairphone.com/fairbuds-xl> and love them.

Am all for the modularity but what do they sound like?

I´m really a "cable lover" (cabled keyboard, cabled trackball, cabled everything) but it really IS very nice to be able to leave the desk while still listening to music.

I did buy wireless earbuds and I love the sound of these, but am already on
my second pair ☹️ https://www.cambridgeaudio.com/gbr/en/products/headphones/melomania-1-plus

Let´s see if they have replacement batteries in 30 years - but maybe my own batteries have expired by then 8-)

Surely not!

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On 2023-08-10 13:26, Chris wrote:

Eh? What? What do they expect us to do for 8 hours on a flight?

I read. Sometimes catch a movie when in Business class if they have
anything worth it. Be nice to have noise cancelers - which I keep
putting off.

On long flights, a bit of it all - even manage to sleep for a couple
hours or so. (12 - 14 hour flights).

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

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On 10. Aug 2023 at 19:20:02 CEST, "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:

Am all for the modularity but what do they sound like?

I only bought them after reading good test on arstechnica and ct (a german computer magazine).

They really sound good and almost as importatnt: I can wear them
comfortably for hours.

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