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    From -hh@21:1/5 to Wally J on Mon Jul 31 14:56:35 2023
    On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 12:54:39 AM UTC-4, Wally J wrote:
    nospam <[email protected]d> wrote

    However this was for Micro USB and Lightning, USB-C is much more robust.

    nope. lightning is the most robust of the three.

    Arguably the micro-USB was the least robust (due to the directional nubs). But the argument of which is more robust, lightning or USB-C, went poof.

    Nobody wants to be caught dead with the nonstandard Apple connector lately. Not even Apple.

    Lightning is garbage nowadays.

    Yet the Lightning port is still a more robust design for cycling than is USB-C.

    But yeah, sure let’s believe the guy who claimed in this thread that replacement
    car batteries cost less than $100, for that hasn’t been the case for over 20 years,
    even for the frugal shade tree installation of a Sears “Die Hard”.

    Case in point, cheapest one offered: $250 before a $25 core trade-in credit:

    < https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/diehard-gold-battery-35-group-size-640-cca-800-ca-100-minute-reserve-capacity-maximum-starting-power-35-2/2130004-P?searchTerm=ulbatt>

    -hh

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to -hh on Mon Jul 31 15:19:45 2023
    On 7/31/2023 2:56 PM, -hh wrote:

    <snip>

    Case in point, cheapest one offered: $250 before a $25 core trade-in credit:

    Ouch, you're significantly over-paying at $250. An AGM could be close to
    $200, a non-AGM around $100. See <https://www.walmart.com/search?q=24F+battery+everstart>.

    In any case, the reason that USB-C is better is because the part least
    likely to break is in the phone. On Lightning, the part least likely to
    break is on the cable. You often see complaints about broken or flaky
    Lightning ports on iPhones because of the contact pins or the latches
    weakening or breaking. It's inexpensive to replace defective USB-C
    cable, but it's not inexpensive to replace a broken iPhone Lighining port.

    It'll all be moot soon. Apple will migrate the iPhone to USB-C just like they've already done with the iPad.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Jul 31 20:40:10 2023
    In article <ua9c23$3d8tu$[email protected]>, sms
    <[email protected]> wrote:


    In any case, the reason that USB-C is better is because the part least
    likely to break is in the phone.

    very much wrong.

    usb-c ports on phones (or other devices) contains a tab that can easily
    bend or break. further, a usb-c cable has a tab with a small slot,
    making it very difficult to bend or snap, which means in nearly every
    case, the port will sustain damage.

    On Lightning, the part least likely to
    break is on the cable.

    also very much wrong.

    the tab on the lightning cable is intentionally designed to snap when
    torqued, to protect the port on the phone from damage.

    you have it entirely backwards.

    You often see complaints about broken or flaky
    Lightning ports on iPhones because of the contact pins or the latches weakening or breaking.

    nope. not often.

    nothing is perfect, so it does happen on occasion, but it's quite rare
    (and lightning is used on far more than just iphones).

    in nearly every case, all that's needed is cleaning out any accumulated
    dirt with compressed air and/or a plastic pick. if a cable snapped,
    remove the broken tab and replace the cable. it's easy and cheap.

    note that there are *more* complaints about usb-c port failure (and
    even worse, micro-usb, which is rated for fewer insertions) than
    lightning.

    there are also various non-compliant usb-c cables that can damage the
    device.

    It's inexpensive to replace defective USB-C
    cable, but it's not inexpensive to replace a broken iPhone Lighining port.

    comparing a cable replacement to a port replacement is a completely
    bogus comparison.

    obviously cables are cheaper to replace than ports, regardless of type.

    as explained above, lighting is designed so that the cable fails first,
    making a repair inexpensive.

    not so with usb-c, which will almost always require the port to be
    replaced, and that usually means an entire logic board, which is not
    cost effective. in other words, replace the device.

    It'll all be moot soon. Apple will migrate the iPhone to USB-C just like they've already done with the iPad.

    ipads (and macbooks) have very different use cases, where it's not
    unusual to connect external hard drives, displays and other
    peripherals.

    using a phones port for peripherals is extremely rare (android or ios).
    that port is almost always used for charging.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to sms on Tue Aug 1 06:50:45 2023
    sms <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 7/31/2023 2:56 PM, -hh wrote:

    <snip>

    Case in point, cheapest one offered: $250 before a $25 core trade-in credit:

    Ouch, you're significantly over-paying at $250. An AGM could be close to $200, a non-AGM around $100. See <https://www.walmart.com/search?q=24F+battery+everstart>.

    In any case, the reason that USB-C is better is because the part least
    likely to break is in the phone. On Lightning, the part least likely to
    break is on the cable. You often see complaints about broken or flaky Lightning ports

    You regularly say this. I have never, ever heard of a broken lightning
    port. Please share an example from reddit. If they're so common it should
    be easy.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 1 09:24:05 2023
    In article <uaaa05$3jibt$[email protected]>, Chris <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    sms <[email protected]> wrote:
    In any case, the reason that USB-C is better is because the part least likely to break is in the phone. On Lightning, the part least likely to break is on the cable. You often see complaints about broken or flaky Lightning ports

    You regularly say this.

    he does, and it's more of his easily debunked lies.

    I have never, ever heard of a broken lightning
    port. Please share an example from reddit. If they're so common it should
    be easy.

    a couple of posts out of more than 1 billion iphones (plus many other
    devices with lightning) is meaningless and also not unexpected. nothing
    is perfect and there will be a few problems out of that many devices.

    what matters is the failure *rate*, which is not something that can be determined from reddit posts.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Aug 1 10:56:43 2023
    In article <7U8yM.164449$[email protected]>, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:

    Conversely - the lightning male part would seem more fragile to me than
    the female part (on the phone) - but somehow they can still get damaged.

    that's by design. it's a *lot* cheaper to replace a cable than the
    device.

    I'd surmise that foreign objects in there could ruin one pretty quick
    (as for any connector).

    it could, but it's usually just dirt which is easy to remove, without
    any long term issues.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Aug 1 12:28:40 2023
    In article <Cd9yM.336946$[email protected]>, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:

    I'd surmise that foreign objects in there could ruin one pretty quick >> (as for any connector).

    it could, but it's usually just dirt which is easy to remove, without
    any long term issues.

    Dirt damage is foreign object damage.

    dirt doesn't usually cause damage that requires a repair. it can affect
    the connection, which is resolved when it's cleaned.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to -hh on Thu Aug 3 10:30:18 2023
    On 8/2/2023 6:42 PM, -hh wrote:

    <snip>

    I'm not. YMMV, but I've already had one Windows laptop give up the ghost when
    the USB-C port failed, largely because of plug/unplug cycles due to it being moved
    and docked for telework vs office during CoVid.

    That was a concern I had on a new laptop I bought a few weeks ago.

    I bought one of these right-angle USB-C adapters: <https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804767908143.html> to keep plugged
    into the laptop USB-C port and I plug my dock into that. It wasn't that
    I was worried so much about the USB-C port wearing out, more worried
    about someone knocking the cable and the connector that was sticking
    out. It also keeps any dust or other junk out.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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