allows the
British Home Office to force technology companies to disable security features like end-to-end encryption without telling the public.
Apple says it will pull services including FaceTime and iMessage in the
UK if plans to amend surveillance legislation that would require tech companies to make major security and privacy changes go ahead (via BBC
News).
The UK government is planning to update the Investigatory Powers Act
(IPA), which came into effect in 2016. The Act of Parliament allows the British Home Office to force technology companies to disable security features like end-to-end encryption without telling the public. The IPA
also enables storage of internet browsing records and authorises the
bulk collection of personal data in the UK. Due to the secrecy
surrounding these demands, little is known about how many have been
issued and complied with.
Currently, this process involves independent oversight via a review
process and tech companies can appeal before having to comply. Under
the proposed update to the IPA, disabling security features without
informing the public would have to be immediate.
The UK government started an eight-week consultation process on the
proposed amendments to the IPA open to professional bodies, interest
groups, academia, and the wider public. Apple has submitted a
nine-page-long document condemning many of the changes.
The company opposes the requirement to inform the Home Office of any
changes to product security features before they are released, the requirement for non-UK-based companies to comply with changes that
would affect their product globally, and having to take action
immediately if a request to disable or block a feature is received from
the Home Office without review or an appeals process.
Apple also highlighted that some requested feature changes would
require a software update, so could not be implemented without public knowledge. The proposals "constitute a serious and direct threat to
data security and information privacy" that would affect people outside
the UK, Apple claims.
The company added that it would not make changes to security features specifically for one country that would weaken a product for all users, suggesting that services like FaceTime and iMessage will simply be removed in the UK if the amendments proceed.
Apple, WhatsApp, and Signal also oppose a clause in the UK's proposed
Online Safety Bill that would allow its communications regulator to
require companies to install technology to scan for CSAM in encrypted messaging apps and other services. Signal has threatened to leave the
UK over the matter.
https://www.macrumors.com/2023/07/20/apple-threatens-to-pull-facetime-and-imessage-uk/
I'm in the UK and I agree with Apple. It'll be a darn nuisance, and
worse, if Apple, Whatsapp and others refuse to operate in the UK, but
IMO they are right to oppose this oppressive legislation. Our
government is getting above its currently very low station.
Am 24.07.23 um 14:54 schrieb Wilf:
I'm in the UK and I agree with Apple. It'll be a darn nuisance, and
worse, if Apple, Whatsapp and others refuse to operate in the UK, but
IMO they are right to oppose this oppressive legislation. Our
government is getting above its currently very low station.
What does freedom and democracy mean in the UK these days?
On 2023-07-24 10:01, Wilf wrote:
On 24/07/2023 at 14:18, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 24.07.23 um 14:54 schrieb Wilf:
I'm in the UK and I agree with Apple. It'll be a darn nuisance, and
worse, if Apple, Whatsapp and others refuse to operate in the UK, but
IMO they are right to oppose this oppressive legislation. Our
government is getting above its currently very low station.
What does freedom and democracy mean in the UK these days?
Well the UK and the USA have their own separate ways of trying to
destroy democracy.
Israel seems to be well ahead. Parliament just voted to reduce the
Supreme Court's ability to overturn government actions that violate the law.
Effort led of course by (indicted and charged) right wing PM NuttyYahoo
who is a butt buddy of indicted and charged (more to come) former acting president Donald Trump.
Donald Trump would /love/ to keep the Supreme Court out of his hair as
it, conservative or not, doesn't seem to cooperate with his Big Lie over
the 2020 elections.
Apple says it will pull services including FaceTime and iMessage in the
UK if plans to amend surveillance legislation that would require tech companies to make major security and privacy changes go ahead (via BBC
News).
On 24/07/2023 at 14:18, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 24.07.23 um 14:54 schrieb Wilf:
I'm in the UK and I agree with Apple. It'll be a darn nuisance, and
worse, if Apple, Whatsapp and others refuse to operate in the UK, but
IMO they are right to oppose this oppressive legislation. Our
government is getting above its currently very low station.
What does freedom and democracy mean in the UK these days?
Well the UK and the USA have their own separate ways of trying to
destroy democracy.
badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:
Apple says it will pull services including FaceTime and iMessage in the
UK if plans to amend surveillance legislation that would require tech
companies to make major security and privacy changes go ahead (via BBC
News).
Good for Apple. Its about time they stood up to meddling by petty bureaucrats.
Frankly, I would like to see Apple and Samsung and others give a big F.U.
to the E.U. for their ridiculous demands. No, you can NOT tell us how to design our products.
Bob Campbell wrote:
Apple says it will pull services including FaceTime and iMessage in the
UK if plans to amend surveillance legislation that would require tech
companies to make major security and privacy changes go ahead (via BBC
News).
Good for Apple. Its about time they stood up to meddling by petty
bureaucrats.
Frankly, I would like to see Apple and Samsung and others give a big F.U.
to the E.U. for their ridiculous demands. No, you can NOT tell us how to
design our products.
I suspect, given the government has never been denied the information they seek, that this is simply posturing on the part of both Apple and the UK.
Given there is no record of even a single iPhone which the government
didn't always get full and complete access to already, it seems a waste of
government energy to force yet another open door when the thing is already wide open for all intents and purposes.
Apple says it will pull services including FaceTime and iMessage in the
UK if plans to amend surveillance legislation that would require tech
companies to make major security and privacy changes go ahead (via BBC
News).
Good for Apple. Its about time they stood up to meddling by petty bureaucrats.
Frankly, I would like to see Apple and Samsung and others give a big F.U.
to the E.U. for their ridiculous demands. No, you can NOT tell us how to design our products.
Apple says it will pull services including FaceTime and iMessage in the
UK if plans to amend surveillance legislation that would require tech companies to make major security and privacy changes go ahead (via BBC
News).
Bob Campbell wrote:
Apple says it will pull services including FaceTime and iMessage in the
UK if plans to amend surveillance legislation that would require tech
companies to make major security and privacy changes go ahead (via BBC
News).
Good for Apple. Its about time they stood up to meddling by petty
bureaucrats.
Frankly, I would like to see Apple and Samsung and others give a big F.U.
to the E.U. for their ridiculous demands. No, you can NOT tell us how to
design our products.
I suspect, given the government has never been denied the information they seek, that this is simply posturing on the part of both Apple and the UK.
Given there is no record of even a single iPhone which the government
didn't always get full and complete access to already, it seems a waste of government energy to force yet another open door when the thing is already wide open for all intents and purposes.
To that end, this is a non issue - much like the San Bernardino phone was. https://www.macrumors.com/2023/07/20/apple-threatens-to-pull-facetime-and-imessage-uk/
Given there is no record of even a single iPhone which the government
didn't always get full and complete access to already, it seems a waste of
Getting access to a phone and its contents is not intercepting messages between two phones.
government energy to force yet another open door when the thing is already >> wide open for all intents and purposes.
In cases where the government got access to an iphone's contents, it
cost them 10's of thousands of dollars per event.
On 24/07/2023 at 14:18, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 24.07.23 um 14:54 schrieb Wilf:
I'm in the UK and I agree with Apple. It'll be a darn nuisance, and
worse, if Apple, Whatsapp and others refuse to operate in the UK, but
IMO they are right to oppose this oppressive legislation. Our
government is getting above its currently very low station.
What does freedom and democracy mean in the UK these days?
Well the UK and the USA have their own separate ways of trying to
destroy democracy.
Alan Browne wrote:
Given there is no record of even a single iPhone which the governmentGetting access to a phone and its contents is not intercepting messages
didn't always get full and complete access to already, it seems a waste of >>
between two phones.
The hackers have stopped accepting iPhone zero-click exploits.
Because they have more than they can ever hope for already.
government energy to force yet another open door when the thing is already >>> wide open for all intents and purposes.
In cases where the government got access to an iphone's contents, it
cost them 10's of thousands of dollars per event.
The many zero-click iPhone exploits already provide full & complete access. Both the government and Apple are posturing like they did in Comey's day.
| Sysop: | Keyop |
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| Users: | 715 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 23:58:34 |
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| Calls today: | 5 |
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| Messages: | 6,518,155 |