• Ming-Chi Kuo reports that the switch to solid-state buttons isn't happe

    From NewsKrawler@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 13 04:43:09 2023
    https://www.macworld.com/article/1783293/iphone-15-pro-physical-button-design.html
    Ming-Chi Kuo reports that the switch to solid-state buttons isn't
    happening.

    It looks like one of the most significant design changes in this year's
    iPhone refresh has been called off.

    In a Medium post today, the respected analyst Ming-Chi Kuo says Apple no
    longer plans to use a solid-state button design on the iPhone 15 Pro and 15
    Pro Max.

    "My latest survey indicates that due to unresolved technical issues before
    mass production, both high-end iPhone 15 Pro models (Pro & Pro Max) will abandon the closely-watched solid-state button design," he writes, "and
    revert to the traditional physical button design."

    As long ago as October 2022, rumors pointed to the Pro versions of the late-2023 iPhones having solid-state power and volume buttons, and the
    theory was largely accepted as fact up to this spring. (We discussed their likely implications in a cost-benefit analysis last month, for example.) Indeed, it was Kuo himself who initially propagated the rumor, albeit with
    the inclusion of the classic caveat word "may."

    In other words, the buttons wouldn't physically press inwards, but instead,
    use a haptic mechanism to mimic the feel of a click in response to pressure
    and skin contact. It appears this approach is proving difficult to execute.

    Apple did something similar back in 2016 when the iPhone 7 was launched
    with a solid-state Home button. The idea was that ditching a moving part reduced the likelihood of mechanical problems: in previous iterations, the
    Home button had been one of the most fault-prone parts of the iPhone.

    But the new design was not universally loved either; we called it "odd" and "weird" at the time, and its inability to work with non-capacitive gloves
    has been an issue with the iPhone SE.

    Furthermore, using a static design on the power button, specifically, is
    more challenging than on the Home button. Such designs need power; if
    you've powered off one of Apple's recent MacBooks, for example, trying to
    press the solid-state trackpad is like pressing a flat and unresponsive
    slab of aluminum. Yet the power button obviously needs to be able to do its
    job when the iPhone is off.

    It's unclear if that is the "unresolved technical issue," or if the rumor
    was off to start with; the cynic might observe that it is rather convenient
    for Kuo to be able to grab headlines twice, first by starting a rumor and
    then by killing it off.

    But Kuo is generally well informed, and as he notes in the Medium post,
    there is still time for Apple to change its mind.

    "The iPhone 15 Pro is currently in the EVT [Engineering Validation Test] development stage," he writes, "so there is still time to modify the
    design."

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to NewsKrawler on Thu Apr 13 10:16:34 2023
    On 13.04.23 06:43, NewsKrawler wrote:
    https://www.macworld.com/article/1783293/iphone-15-pro-physical-button-design.html
    Ming-Chi Kuo reports that the switch to solid-state buttons isn't
    happening.

    Arlen you are an eternal Troll.

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Thu Apr 13 19:36:30 2023
    Joerg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:

    Arlen you are an eternal Troll.

    He is also eternally stupid.

    Since the Krawling News Troll ONLY posts what he believes is “bad” news about Apple, it is surprising that he posted this. Given the huge
    backlash that the “removal of the mute switch” rumor created, this can only be seen as good news.

    So - without knowing it (because he is so fucking stupid) - the Krawling
    News Troll has posted good news about Apple.

    And speaking of So Fucking Stupid, Arlen also believed in Ultrasonic File Transfers.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Thu Apr 13 16:23:28 2023
    On 2023-04-13 15:36, Bob Campbell wrote:

    huge
    backlash that the “removal of the mute switch” rumor created, this can only
    be seen as good news.

    A few morons getting their panties in a twist is not backlash of any kind.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Campbell on Thu Apr 13 19:55:46 2023
    In article <[email protected]>, Bob
    Campbell <[email protected]> wrote:

    Arlen you are an eternal Troll.

    He is also eternally stupid.

    Since the Krawling News Troll ONLY posts what he believes is �bad� news
    about Apple, it is surprising that he posted this. Given the huge
    backlash that the �removal of the mute switch� rumor created, this can only be seen as good news.

    not so fast!

    <https://www.macrumors.com/2023/04/13/iphone-15-pro-two-button-volume/>
    While Apple is planning to revert back to two buttons instead of the
    planned unified volume button, there will still be a change to the
    mute switch. Rather than a switch, Apple will use a physical button.
    Internally, this button has been referred to as the "ringer button"
    or the "action button," and rumors have suggested that it could be
    a customizable button that is similar to the Apple Watch Ultra Action
    button.

    conflicting rumours...which ones (if any) to believe?

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Apr 13 20:00:37 2023
    nospam wrote:
    In article <[email protected]>, Bob
    Campbell <[email protected]> wrote:

    Arlen you are an eternal Troll.

    He is also eternally stupid.

    Since the Krawling News Troll ONLY posts what he believes is �bad� news
    about Apple, it is surprising that he posted this. Given the huge
    backlash that the �removal of the mute switch� rumor created, this can only >> be seen as good news.

    not so fast!

    <https://www.macrumors.com/2023/04/13/iphone-15-pro-two-button-volume/>
    While Apple is planning to revert back to two buttons instead of the
    planned unified volume button, there will still be a change to the
    mute switch. Rather than a switch, Apple will use a physical button.
    Internally, this button has been referred to as the "ringer button"
    or the "action button," and rumors have suggested that it could be
    a customizable button that is similar to the Apple Watch Ultra Action
    button.

    conflicting rumours...which ones (if any) to believe?


    Being an important developer, I'm sure you know.

    But I can appreciate that you are not allowed to tell us peons.

    It's cool. Most people won't give a shit either way.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Apr 13 22:22:02 2023
    In article <1B1_L.1535125$[email protected]>, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:


    conflicting rumours...which ones (if any) to believe?


    Being an important developer, I'm sure you know.

    nope. nobody outside of a small number of people within apple know what
    will be released (which was already decided many months ago) and they
    ain't talking.

    it's also a *lot* smaller than you might think. in some cases, people
    working on a particular feature or product don't know if it will be
    included or not until the official announcement.

    the simple reason that there are multiple rumours is because there are
    multiple versions of the next iphone, with apple choosing one of them.

    some people know how to read the tea leaves with fairly accurate
    results. others just guess.

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Apr 14 04:13:46 2023
    nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
    In article <[email protected]>, Bob
    Campbell <[email protected]> wrote:

    Arlen you are an eternal Troll.

    He is also eternally stupid.

    Since the Krawling News Troll ONLY posts what he believes is ³bad² news
    about Apple, it is surprising that he posted this. Given the huge
    backlash that the ³removal of the mute switch² rumor created, this can only
    be seen as good news.

    not so fast!

    <https://www.macrumors.com/2023/04/13/iphone-15-pro-two-button-volume/>
    While Apple is planning to revert back to two buttons instead of the
    planned unified volume button, there will still be a change to the
    mute switch. Rather than a switch, Apple will use a physical button.
    Internally, this button has been referred to as the "ringer button"
    or the "action button," and rumors have suggested that it could be
    a customizable button that is similar to the Apple Watch Ultra Action
    button.

    conflicting rumours...which ones (if any) to believe?

    I don’t believe any of them.

    These could all be deliberately planted leaks, just to see who is doing the leaking. Tell some person (or small group of people) that feature A will
    be included. Tell some other person (or small group of people) that
    feature B will be included.

    Choose as many people and features that you want, then see what rumors
    appear in the press. Then you know what person (or small group of people)
    the rumors come from.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Campbell on Fri Apr 14 07:37:54 2023
    In article <[email protected]>, Bob
    Campbell <[email protected]> wrote:


    conflicting rumours...which ones (if any) to believe?

    I don�t believe any of them.

    some rumours turn out to be true. some do not.

    These could all be deliberately planted leaks, just to see who is doing the leaking. Tell some person (or small group of people) that feature A will
    be included. Tell some other person (or small group of people) that
    feature B will be included.

    they do that too.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Fri Apr 14 12:41:23 2023
    On 2023-04-14 00:13, Bob Campbell wrote:
    These could all be deliberately planted leaks, just to see who is doing the leaking. Tell some person (or small group of people) that feature A will
    be included. Tell some other person (or small group of people) that
    feature B will be included.

    Choose as many people and features that you want, then see what rumors
    appear in the press. Then you know what person (or small group of people) the rumors come from.

    aka "Canary trap".

    That said, rumours usually come from people who have contacts at 2nd and
    3rd level suppliers, so doing a "trap" like that is not easy. You would
    have to produce all sorts of production information, drawings, BOM,
    specs, etc. just to bait the trap.

    For not much return.

    I doubt Apple are too concerned with rumours even when they are accurate
    - it keeps the brand and product in the news.

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    danger to American democracy.”
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