badgolferman wrote:

Apple is moving to in-house 5G modem chips for its 2024 iPhones, as
far as the chief executive of Qualcomm — which currently produces
them for the tech giant — is aware.

“We’re making no plans for 2024, my planning assumption is we’re not >providing [Apple] a modem in ’24, but it’s their decision to make,” >Cristiano Amon told CNBC at the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona.

Apple’s most recent iPhone 14 models use Qualcomm modems, but the
company has been looking to go solo in the wireless connectivity
market for some years.

It bought Intel’s modem business in 2019 and there had been
speculation it would begin using in-house parts this year.

In an interview with CNBC’s Karen Tso and Arjun Kharpal, Amon said
Qualcomm had told investors back in 2021 that it did not expect to
provide modems for the iPhone in 2023, but Apple then decided to
continue for another year.

Amon did not confirm whether Apple would pay Qualcomm QTL licenses if
it moves to its own modems, but said royalty was “independent from >providing a chip.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/01/qualcomm-ceo-says-planning-for-apple-to-make-own-iphone-modems-from-2024-.html

What are the chances Apple's first generation 5G modems will have lots
of problems? It's not like they can actually simulate real-world
conditions and do the amount of comprehensive testing necessary to work
out the bugs.

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In article <[email protected]>,
badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:

What are the chances Apple's first generation 5G modems will have lots
of problems?

nothing is perfect, but given their success with apple silicon, it's
low.

It's not like they can actually simulate real-world
conditions and do the amount of comprehensive testing necessary to work
out the bugs.

what makes you say that? they have enormous resources to do all sorts
of testing.

part of that includes employees using pre-release phones all over the
san francisco bay area and well beyond it.

put it in an iphone 14 body and nobody outside of the people carrying
it will know, possibly even them too.

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Alan wrote:

On 2023-03-01 09:20, badgolferman wrote:

nospam wrote:

In article <[email protected]>, >>>badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:

What are the chances Apple's first generation 5G modems will
have lots of problems?

nothing is perfect, but given their success with apple silicon,
it's low.

It's not like they can actually simulate real-world
conditions and do the amount of comprehensive testing necessary
to work out the bugs.

what makes you say that? they have enormous resources to do all
sorts of testing.

part of that includes employees using pre-release phones all over
the san francisco bay area and well beyond it.

put it in an iphone 14 body and nobody outside of the people
carrying it will know, possibly even them too.

Car manufacturers also have enormous resources, but most often a new
design has many bugs the first couple years. Something as
sensitive to environmental conditions as a modem can't be tested in
San Francisco only. It needs a very wide and long test bed.

Put another way:

What would make Apple less able to do the kind of testing required
than Qualcomm is?

Experience.

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In article <[email protected]>,
badgolferman <[email protected]> wrote:

Put another way:

What would make Apple less able to do the kind of testing required
than Qualcomm is?

Experience.

that's exactly what people said when rumours of apple making a
cellphone were circulating, as well as shortly after its introduction.

what does apple know about phones? nokia, motorola, etc. have been
doing it for years. blackberry has the market locked up. steve ballmer
famously laughed, claiming that people would not want to buy a $600
phone without a keyboard.

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badgolferman wrote:

What would make Apple less able to do the kind of testing required
than Qualcomm is?

Experience.

Hi badgolferman,

This is an adult assessment of fact...

How many times has Apple tried to source (via Intel perhaps) their own
modem and patents and failed to create a competitive chip (& therefore throttled the competitive chip so that it wouldn't be so obvious after
all)?

Who came out with the first competitive 5G modem and patents and what generation are they on down in socal?

Who is their closest competitor and what generation are they on in Korea?

Now, what generation is Apple's 5G modem chip currently on?
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badgolferman wrote:

What are the chances Apple's first generation 5G modems will have lots
of problems? It's not like they can actually simulate real-world
conditions and do the amount of comprehensive testing necessary to work
out the bugs.

Hi badgolferman,
This is an adult assessment of fact...

Do you know Apple's record on GPUs, badgolferman?
I do. We discussed this on this newsgroup. HINT: Not good.

Do you know Apple's record on modem chips (albeit via Intel)?
I do. We discussed this on this newsgroup. HINT: Not good.

Do you know Apple's record on integrating modem ICs?
I do. We discussed this on this newsgroup. HINT: Not good.

Do you know Apple's record on unpatchable secure enclave holes?
I do. We discussed this on this newsgroup. HINT: Not good.

Do you know Apple's record on unpatchable M1/M2 holes?
I do. We discussed this on this newsgroup. HINT: Not good.

Do you know Apple's record on unpatchable Ax Bionic holes?
I do. We discussed this on this newsgroup. HINT: Not good.

The question to ask is has Apple _ever_ made a best in class SOC?
HINT: The answer is not good when you strip away the marketing.
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