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  • 'lon Musk 'disappointed'

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 28 11:15:10 2025
    Elon Musk 'disappointed' by Donald Trump's 'big, beautiful' tax bill
    BBC

    It's not just Elon Musk. Other Trump tech allies are turning on his
    'big beautiful bill.'
    Yahoo Finance

    Back at SpaceX, Musk says in interview DOGE became D.C.'s 'whipping
    boy'
    The Washington Post
    ==============================

    Elon...you didn't know...the T-Borg uses people to serve his
    interests.

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed May 28 18:21:31 2025
    On Wed, 28 May 2025 11:15:10 -0500
    JAB <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Back at SpaceX, Musk says in interview DOGE became D.C.'s 'whipping
    boy'

    One of these imbeciles needs to own up and take responsibility for his
    own actions. Go choke on a bag of dicks, Elon. The hatred was earned.

    How did America become a nation of perpetual victims? Everyone, all
    the time. Sad.

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to Retrograde on Sun Jun 1 09:00:07 2025
    On Wed, 28 May 2025 18:21:31 -0600
    Retrograde <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On Wed, 28 May 2025 11:15:10 -0500
    JAB <[email protected]d> wrote:
    Back at SpaceX, Musk says in interview DOGE became D.C.'s 'whipping
    boy'
    One of these imbeciles needs to own up and take responsibility for his
    own actions. Go choke on a bag of dicks, Elon. The hatred was earned.
    How did America become a nation of perpetual victims? Everyone, all
    the time. Sad.


    Returning to this thread to point out the large number of pieces that
    suddenly appeared in major news outlets describing his genius, his
    big-picture thinking, (etc) and referencing how hard it was in WashDC
    for him, etc.

    None is worth even reading. Obvious paid, puff-pieces placed by his PR
    firm to recast him as a misunderstood tech genius, and get Americans to
    forget the rest of it.

    Screw American media for being so easily bought. Once you know how to
    spot the paid pieces, you see them everywhere. No wonder no one trusts
    the mainstream press anymore, they sold out and no longer deserve the
    trust.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Jun 2 07:43:46 2025
    On Sun, 1 Jun 2025 09:00:07 -0600, Retrograde
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Returning to this thread to point out the large number of pieces that >suddenly appeared in major news outlets describing his genius, his >big-picture thinking, (etc) and referencing how hard it was in WashDC
    for him, etc.

    describing his genius

    I would describe him as an investor, who had a large fistful of
    dollars to spend. Those employed did all of the grunt work.

    Rocket science was well known, and at first, he wanted Russia to send
    one up. Then he beancounted the cost vs creating his company to do
    it.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Jun 2 12:19:38 2025
    On Sun, 1 Jun 2025 09:00:07 -0600, Retrograde
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    large number of pieces that
    suddenly appeared in major news outlets describing his genius,

    Highly unlikely they mentioned his compulsive "lying".....

    Genius implies a person knows the path forward....not doing flip-flops
    in decision making.

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    Tesla executives questioned Musk after he denied killing $25,000 EV
    project, sources say

    Musk had already canceled the so-called Model 2 despite public
    denial, executives said

    Some Tesla executives expressed concern Musk was deceiving
    investors about a low-cost EV

    Tesla now plans more affordable, stripped-down versions of the
    Model 3 and Model Y


    https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-executives-questioned-musk-after-he-denied-killing-25000-ev-project-2025-06-02/

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon Jun 2 20:21:43 2025
    On Mon, 02 Jun 2025 12:19:38 -0500
    JAB <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On Sun, 1 Jun 2025 09:00:07 -0600, Retrograde
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    large number of pieces that
    suddenly appeared in major news outlets describing his genius,

    Highly unlikely they mentioned his compulsive "lying".....


    Tesla now plans more affordable, stripped-down versions of the
    Model 3 and Model Y

    I'm hoping the brand it permanently tarnished and toxic. Nazidouchemobile.

    He can spend 2025 freebasing ketamine and shitposting on his lame-ass
    website.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Jun 2 21:53:46 2025
    On Mon, 2 Jun 2025 20:21:43 -0600, Retrograde
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Tesla now plans more affordable, stripped-down versions of the
    Model 3 and Model Y

    I'm hoping the brand it permanently tarnished and toxic.

    stripped-down versions of the Model 3 and Model Y

    Translation - Cash flow issue....any new model, like the killed Model
    2 requires $$$ for adapting assembly line, etc., etc.

    Tesla bought newer assembly line equipment, and most likely with loan repayments. The same for that German based plant.

    I don't follow Tesla, but I suspect Tesla is not doing so well these days....and his CFO might be doing some creative accounting.

    Tesla's latest twelve-month capital expenditure (as of March 2025) is
    $10.057 billion.
    https://finbox.com/NASDAQGS:TSLA/explorer/capex/

    "Capital expenditures are purchases made by a company and capitalized
    on a balance sheet rather than being fully expensed at the time of
    purchase. Assets that are capitalized can be accounted for over their
    useful lifetime and depreciated."

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to JAB on Tue Jun 3 07:43:02 2025
    On Mon, 02 Jun 2025 21:53:46 -0500
    JAB <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Translation - Cash flow issue....any new model, like the killed Model
    2 requires $$$ for adapting assembly line, etc., etc.

    No, there's quite a bit of press about this.

    The Tesla was originally priced as a luxury model. It's steadily moving down-market and competing (poorly) against lower-cost cars. Everywhere
    except America you can buy better quality Chinese-made luxury EVs at
    lower prices. He's being forced to compete and isn't prepared for it.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Jun 3 12:45:39 2025
    On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 07:43:02 -0600, Retrograde
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Translation - Cash flow issue....any new model, like the killed Model
    2 requires $$$ for adapting assembly line, etc., etc.

    No, there's quite a bit of press about this.

    Jul 24, 2024 -- BYD has said it has no plans to sell vehicles such as
    its Tesla-styled Han EV sedan in the states. https://www.capitalone.com/cars/learn/finding-the-right-car/can-i-buy-a-byd-car-in-the-united-states/3408
    =============================

    So, apparently, Tesla believes not enough sales for US model only, but
    will produce self-driving robotaxis...on same framework. A robotaxis
    would be scaled back to the basics.
    ==================================

    Tesla has canceled the long-promised inexpensive car that investors
    have been counting on to drive its growth into a mass-market
    automaker, according to three sources familiar with the matter and
    company messages seen by Reuters.

    The automaker will continue developing self-driving robotaxis on the
    same small-vehicle platform, the sources said.
    ...
    ...
    The stark reversal comes as Tesla faces fierce competition globally
    from Chinese electric-vehicle makers flooding the market with cars
    priced as low as $10,000. The plan for driverless robotaxis, which
    could take longer to deliver, presents a stiffer engineering challenge
    and more regulatory risk.

    Two sources said they learned of Tesla's decision to scrap the Model 2
    in a meeting attended by scores of employees, with one of them saying
    the gathering happened in late February.

    "Elon's directive is to go all in on robotaxi," that person said

    https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-scraps-low-cost-car-plans-amid-fierce-chinese-ev-competition-2024-04-05/

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Jun 3 20:16:17 2025
    On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 07:43:02 -0600, Retrograde
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Translation - Cash flow issue....any new model, like the killed Model
    2 requires $$$ for adapting assembly line, etc., etc.

    No, there's quite a bit of press about this.

    He plans to do self-driving robotaxis, and most likely a limited
    production run....with just enough passenger features. Doing the
    Model 2 would require sourcing other parts. On a different note, GM
    for instance makes few parts, so alot of contracting for this/that is
    required. Point here, cash flow is required to make it so, and a
    company must predict future sales.


    I suspect this below is the reason for not producing the Model 2.

    "Jeff Bezos has invested in Slate Auto, a company that is developing a no-frills, affordable electric pickup truck called the Slate Truck.
    This truck is being developed for a low price point, and its base
    model is expected to cost around $20,000"

    Jeff Bezos backs radical $20,000 small electric pickup truck

    Newly announced Slate Truck could revolutionize the EV industry by
    making it more affordable
    ...
    ...
    However, at the same time, it offers a range of customization options,
    allowing buyers to transform it into a five-seat SUV.

    https://www.foxnews.com/tech/jeff-bezos-backs-radical-20000-small-electric-pickup-truck

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