Trump's Call With Putin: Talk of Dividing Assets Prompts Concern

President Donald Trump said the US and Russia are already talking
about dividing "assets" as part of a push to end the fighting in
Ukraine, the latest sign that he may be preparing to sacrifice Kyiv's
interests when he speaks with Vladimir Putin on Tuesday.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-03-17/trump-talk-of-dividing-assets-prompts-concern-before-his-call-with-putin

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On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 23:52:44 +0000, JAB wrote:

Trump's Call With Putin: Talk of Dividing Assets Prompts Concern

It's fairly obvious that The Donald sees Ukrainian land - and whatever
minerals are under the soil - as trading assets.

Land for peace is on the agenda. The Ukranians are only puppets caught
between the two traditional world super-powers.

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On Mon, 17 Mar 2025, JAB wrote:

Trump's Call With Putin: Talk of Dividing Assets Prompts Concern

President Donald Trump said the US and Russia are already talking
about dividing "assets" as part of a push to end the fighting in
Ukraine, the latest sign that he may be preparing to sacrifice Kyiv's interests when he speaks with Vladimir Putin on Tuesday.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-03-17/trump-talk-of-dividing-assets-prompts-concern-before-his-call-with-putin

This is very, very easy. Ask yourself the question, what would get Trump
the most short term (maximum 3 year horizon) dollars, and you can then bet
your sweet little pupushkin that that is the direction he will be taking.

The only balancing factor might be how he thinks it might affect his
chances of getting a nobel peace prize. What he doesn't know, is that
europe is heavily socialist, so he will never get it due to ideological differences with the peace prize judges.

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On Tue, 18 Mar 2025, Theory11 wrote:

On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 23:52:44 +0000, JAB wrote:

Trump's Call With Putin: Talk of Dividing Assets Prompts Concern

It's fairly obvious that The Donald sees Ukrainian land - and whatever minerals are under the soil - as trading assets.

Land for peace is on the agenda. The Ukranians are only puppets caught between the two traditional world super-powers.

I like that! Land for peace! It sounds like the oil for food program! ;)

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D wrote:

On Tue, 18 Mar 2025, Theory11 wrote:

On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 23:52:44 +0000, JAB wrote:

Trump's Call With Putin: Talk of Dividing Assets Prompts
Concern

It's fairly obvious that The Donald sees Ukrainian land -
and whatever minerals are under the soil - as trading assets.

Land for peace is on the agenda. The Ukranians are only
puppets caught between the two traditional world
super-powers.

I like that! Land for peace! It sounds like the oil for food
program! ;)

Oh, don't you know there will be oil involved in it somewhere...

Donald Trump probably only wants Russia to come in from the cold
so he can do some sort of oil/gas/minerals deal with THEM! He's
certainly not interested in the people of Ukraine.

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On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 10:40:14 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

The only balancing factor might be how he thinks it might affect his
chances of getting a nobel peace prize.

Never in his mind, unless it pays more than Putin will cough up.

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On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 12:39:22 +0000, "Blueshirt"
<[email protected]> wrote:

Donald

Is about enriching himself....plain & simple.

He would sell his mother's combat boots, if the price was right.

If a Putin/T-Borg deal goes thru, there is a kickback for the T-Borg. ===================

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On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 00:01:45 +0000, Theory11
<[email protected]> wrote:

It's fairly obvious that The Donald sees Ukrainian land - and whatever >minerals are under the soil - as trading assets.

Reuters - Trump and Putin discuss Ukraine war, White House says the
talks are going well

Going well, for who?

Is the T-Borg considering Ukraine's interest is the real question. My
hunch is Kyiv's interests are not being considered. He will just say
"this is the best I can do for Kyiv."

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JAB wrote:

On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 12:39:22 +0000, "Blueshirt"
<[email protected]> wrote:

Donald

Is about enriching himself....plain & simple.

He would sell his mother's combat boots, if the price was
right.

If a Putin/T-Borg deal goes thru, there is a kickback for the
T-Borg.

Yeah, a USA v Russia ice hockey game... apparently!

:-)

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On Tue, 18 Mar 2025, Blueshirt wrote:

D wrote:

On Tue, 18 Mar 2025, Theory11 wrote:

On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 23:52:44 +0000, JAB wrote:

Trump's Call With Putin: Talk of Dividing Assets Prompts
Concern

It's fairly obvious that The Donald sees Ukrainian land -
and whatever minerals are under the soil - as trading assets.

Land for peace is on the agenda. The Ukranians are only
puppets caught between the two traditional world
super-powers.

I like that! Land for peace! It sounds like the oil for food
program! ;)

Oh, don't you know there will be oil involved in it somewhere...

Donald Trump probably only wants Russia to come in from the cold
so he can do some sort of oil/gas/minerals deal with THEM! He's
certainly not interested in the people of Ukraine.

That was one of my more "crazy" theories. If Ukraine won't give him
minerals, then he'll just ask Putin and depending on who gives it to him,
will station US troops (in disguise of a minin company) on either side of
the border. Ukrainian or russian minerals, who cares? ;)

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On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 19:14:10 GMT, "Blueshirt" <[email protected]>
wrote:

If a Putin/T-Borg deal goes thru, there is a kickback for the
T-Borg.

Yeah, a USA v Russia ice hockey game... apparently!

:-)

Here, Putin wants to disarm Kyiv, but no mention of Putin disarming.

"According to the Kremlin, Mr Putin demanded the US and its allies
stop providing arms and military intelligence to Kyiv, and said that
was a key condition for his country to agree to a more permanent
ceasefire."

A translated statement from Russia's foreign ministry said the
two leaders had a "detailed and frank" exchange of views.

Detailed....with the T-Borg's short attention span...naw.

"It was emphasised that the key condition for preventing the
escalation of the conflict and working towards its resolution
through political and diplomatic means should be the complete
cessation of foreign military aid and the provision of
intelligence information to [Kyiv]."

Why sure, with the proviso that if Russian aggression returns, US and
Europe will fully assist Kyiv, with their troops on the ground.

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On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 19:14:10 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

JAB wrote:

If a Putin/T-Borg deal goes thru, there is a kickback for the
T-Borg.

Yeah, a USA v Russia ice hockey game... apparently!

How the hell does a Russia - USA hockey game get brought in to
discussions between Donald Trump & Vladimir Putin when they were
supposed to be discussing peace in Ukraine ?

https://www.thecanadianpressnews.ca/world/trump-and-putin-discuss-a-us-russia-hockey-series-during-their-call-the-kremlin-says/article_a32e1588-d6bf-599d-80cc-a3f6c8585b4a.html

--
Vive Les Nordiques!

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On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 00:01:45 +0000, Theory11
<[email protected]> wrote:

It's fairly obvious that The Donald sees Ukrainian land - and whatever >minerals are under the soil - as trading assets.

Trump: The Art of the Deal - Right....Putin shows otherwise.

BBC.com
Rosenberg: Trump-Putin call seen as victory in Russia

Reuters
In Ukraine call, Putin furthers his goals and cedes little to Trump,
say analysts

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-advances-strategic-aims-while-ceding-little-trump-2025-03-19/

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JAB wrote:

On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 00:01:45 +0000, Theory11
<[email protected]> wrote:

It's fairly obvious that The Donald sees Ukrainian land

Now he wants "real power"

The Associated Press
Trump suggests to Zelenskyy that the US should take ownership
of Ukrainian power plants for security

Ukraine is going to be raped!

OTOH, if the USA did control Ukrainian power plants it's highly
unlikely that the Russians would ever bomb them... so maybe
there is a method in the madness?

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On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 00:01:45 +0000, Theory11
<[email protected]> wrote:

It's fairly obvious that The Donald sees Ukrainian land

Now he wants "real power"

The Associated Press
Trump suggests to Zelenskyy that the US should take ownership of
Ukrainian power plants for security

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On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 21:03:06 GMT, "Blueshirt" <[email protected]>
wrote:

OTOH, if the USA did control Ukrainian power plants it's highly
unlikely that the Russians would ever bomb them... so maybe
there is a method in the madness?

I would suspect Putin "sees" the T-Borg as a bluffer, and the Borg has indicated let's get out of Ukraine.

Of course, this PR appears to be BS now

Reuters - Trump and Putin discuss Ukraine war, White House says the
talks are going well

Putin, like the T-Borg, push the boundaries, and both do not honor
previous agreements, etc.

Hence, if US "owned" the power plants, Putin would bomb them, and see
what US's response is.

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On Wed, 19 Mar 2025, Blueshirt wrote:

JAB wrote:

On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 00:01:45 +0000, Theory11
<[email protected]> wrote:

It's fairly obvious that The Donald sees Ukrainian land

Now he wants "real power"

The Associated Press
Trump suggests to Zelenskyy that the US should take ownership
of Ukrainian power plants for security

Ukraine is going to be r

This is true, but at the end of the day, each nation is ultimately
responsible for the defense of its own territory with violence. If they
cannot muster the violence to defend it, there's not much to do about it.

I am surprised that Ukraine does not lower the limit for military service
to 18 years old, and send _everyone_ into the war. I think the current age limit is 27 or something. There needs to be a draft.

Another thing I thought about is why Ukraine does not buy soldiers from
some US "security" company, or why they don't enlist south american
mercenaries from various drug cartels?

Unorthodox, yes, but I think they will get much more bang for the buck
that way, than what they are currently doing.

OTOH, if the USA did control Ukrainian power plants it's highly
unlikely that the Russians would ever bomb them... so maybe
there is a method in the madness?

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On Wed, 19 Mar 2025, JAB wrote:

On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 00:01:45 +0000, Theory11
<[email protected]> wrote:

It's fairly obvious that The Donald sees Ukrainian land

Now he wants "real power"

The Associated Press
Trump suggests to Zelenskyy that the US should take ownership of
Ukrainian power plants for security

I've heard worse ideas. If the US can stuff the powerplants and critical infrastructure installations with US citizens, it will be harder for Putin
to kill them, because then Trump will be angry with him.

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On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 10:27:44 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

Another thing I thought about is why Ukraine
does not buy soldiers from some US "security"

I suspect they only do a quick "in/out" mission, and would avoid slaughter-house missions (entrenched warfare).

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On Thu, 20 Mar 2025, JAB wrote:

On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 10:27:44 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

Another thing I thought about is why Ukraine
does not buy soldiers from some US "security"

I suspect they only do a quick "in/out" mission, and would avoid slaughter-house missions (entrenched warfare).

Really? I mean they would get paid for it, and they could be used like
special forces to engage in sabotage deep inside the occupied territories. Since they would get paid, I would imagine that they continue for as long
as it is profitable.

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