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  • Free world needs a new leader

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 28 19:08:50 2025
    'Free world needs a new leader': Europe defends Zelenskyy after Trump
    attack

    France, Germany and Poland all make prompt declarations of support as
    Europe fears Trump's alignment with Putin.

    European leaders on Friday rallied to defend Ukrainian President
    Volodymyr Zelenskyy after United States President Donald Trump and
    Vice President JD Vance subjected him to a tirade of withering and infantilizing abuse in the Oval Office.

    European Union foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas said: "Today, it
    became clear that the free world needs a new leader. It's up to us,
    Europeans, to take this challenge."

    In what may prove to a significant turning point in the tottering
    postwar Western alliance between Europe and the United States, the
    Europeans pushed back against Washington's increasing alignment with
    Russian dictator Vladimir Putin and Trump's browbeating of Zelenskyy.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/volodymyr-zelenskyy-donald-trump-jd-vance-oval-office-white-house-us-ukraine-war-russia/

    Trump says he can end the Russia-Ukraine war in one day
    AP News
    Jul 2, 2024

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  • From Jukka Lahtinen@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Mar 1 23:33:57 2025
    JAB <[email protected]d> writes:

    France, Germany and Poland all make prompt declarations of support as
    Europe fears Trump's alignment with Putin.

    I can't imagine how even Donald Duck could be anything worse than the
    other Donald!

    --
    Jukka Lahtinen

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Mar 1 16:24:38 2025
    On Sat, 01 Mar 2025 23:33:57 +0200, Jukka Lahtinen <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Europe fears Trump's alignment with Putin.

    I can't imagine how even Donald Duck could be anything worse than the
    other Donald!

    I believe the T-Borg is only concerned with lowering his taxes, and
    reaping "dividends" from Russian oligarchs.

    His "dealmaking" is with Putin, not Zelenskyy

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Mar 1 19:30:17 2025
    On Sat, 01 Mar 2025 23:33:57 +0200, Jukka Lahtinen <[email protected]d> wrote:

    I can't imagine how even Donald Duck could be anything worse than

    "Trump's Oval Office thrashing of Zelenskyy shows limits of Western
    allies' ability to sway US leader"

    US's economy appears to have signs of weakness, due to this "tough"
    talk; there are businesses that can't evaluate the future with his
    rhetoric, so future plants/equipment investments are on hold.

    Street talk suggests US will take a hit with his tariffs, and could
    plunge US into a recession.

    I believe China will punch back, and hope EU does. If so, this will
    affect US voters who may vote for Democrats in the next election,
    which would affect the T-Borg.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to JAB on Sun Mar 2 08:27:08 2025
    JAB wrote:

    I believe the T-Borg is only concerned with lowering his
    taxes, and reaping "dividends" from Russian oligarchs.

    His "dealmaking" is with Putin, not Zelenskyy

    I think so. Trump certainly seems to have more respect for
    Vladimir Putin anyway. Maybe because Putin wears suits? ;-)

    However, Donald Trump would say he was elected to "Make America
    Great Again" and if cheap Russian fuel deals (or whatever) were
    better for the American taxpayer in the long run than donating
    billions in military aid to Ukraine, logic says that's the way
    to go from his side of the fence. POTUS is trying to improve the
    American economy, not get a pat on the back for settling a land
    dispute on the other side of the world.

    Europeans might feel differently, but then again we haven't done
    much to be proud of in the past few years... apart from giving
    Ukraine some money and hoping the issue goes away. The EU talk a
    good fight but in reality they are toothless cowards afraid of
    upsetting the Russian bear on their doorstep in case it comes to
    eat them.

    If one good thing comes out of 'that' Oval Office meeting on
    Friday it might be that the EU now sharpen their focus on
    proactively helping Ukraine. The USA can't be relied on to help
    Europe out all the time... which has always been something that
    European governments could fall back on. We have got lazy in
    Europe. Trump's actions should be a wake-up call to all European
    leaders, the war is on our doorstep - get yer fingers out!

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 2 07:58:10 2025
    On Sun, 02 Mar 2025 08:27:08 GMT, "Blueshirt" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    POTUS is trying to improve the American economy, not get a
    pat on the back for settling a land
    dispute on the other side of the world.

    He doesn't consult, he dictates...his previous actions indicates his
    company and daughter have profited while being POTUS.

    improve the American economy

    US workers' wages are much higher than undeveloped nations. For
    years, he used "wet back" labor, and still uses labor with visas.

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