• working to swiftly rectify the situation

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 18 19:03:00 2025
    USDA accidentally fired officials working on bird flu and is now
    trying to rehire them

    An Agriculture Department spokesperson told NBC News that officials
    are "working to swiftly rectify the situation."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/doge/usda-accidentally-fired-officials-bird-flu-rehire-rcna192716

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  • From Mike Spencer@21:1/5 to Auric Hellman on Thu Feb 20 03:31:22 2025
    Auric Hellman <[email protected]> writes:

    On 2/18/2025 8:03 PM, JAB wrote:

    USDA accidentally fired officials working on bird flu and is now
    trying to rehire them

    An Agriculture Department spokesperson told NBC News that officials
    are "working to swiftly rectify the situation."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/doge/usda-accidentally-fired-officials-bird-flu-rehire-rcna192716


    I'd be more concerned about who the people working for Elon Musk than
    Musk himself. Those are the people making the decisions. Is there any accountability?

    Cargo cult government. The president and his appointees, Musk and his Musketeers are Dunning-Kruger poster children, tearing around
    emulating the rituals of the despised Elite [1]. They have no more
    notion of how to operate the government that the deluded Melanesians
    had of operating aircraft or airfield towers. But like the Melanesian islanders, they're convinced by a charismatic leader that if they
    perform the rituals, they'd get cargo -- in this case power and status
    rather than tangible goods.

    Accountability will come only with the full evolution of the now ongoing
    train wreck that will embrace us all.

    [1] Viz. people of responsibility that know what they're doing.

    --
    Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Feb 20 08:29:22 2025
    On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 20:34:13 -0500, Auric Hellman
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Those are the people making the decisions.

    This is Luke Farritor. He is the 23 year old that fired all the staff
    in charge of our nuclear arsenal.

    Don't worry, though. He completed an internship with SpaceX, so I'm
    sure he is clearly qualified to determine whether our nuclear arms
    should be adequately staffed by qualified persons.

    https://bsky.app/profile/lifesafeast.bsky.social/post/3lije57twlk2m

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Feb 20 10:57:30 2025
    On 20 Feb 2025 03:31:22 -0400, Mike Spencer
    <[email protected]e> wrote:

    Accountability will come only with the full evolution of the now ongoing >train wreck that will embrace us all.

    Economist Warns That Elon Musk Is About to Cause a "Deep, Deep
    Recession"

    "This is going to be very, very bad."

    A professor and former Department of Labor economist is warning that
    unelected White House advisor and multi-hyphenate billionaire Elon
    Musk is sending the United States headlong into a huge recession.

    In a post on Bluesky, Jesse Rothstein, a University of California,
    Berkeley public policy professor who was the DOL's chief economist at
    the start of the Obama administration, addressed the dire situation we
    could soon be facing.

    "It seems almost unavoidable at this point," Rothstein wrote, "that we
    are headed for a deep, deep recession."

    https://futurism.com/economist-elon-musk-recession

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Feb 20 11:32:48 2025
    On 20 Feb 2025 03:31:22 -0400, Mike Spencer
    <[email protected]e> wrote:

    Accountability will come only with the full evolution of the now ongoing >train wreck that will embrace us all.

    The Incompetence of DOGE Is a Feature, Not a Bug

    A series of mistakes by DOGE shows just how arbitrary and destructive
    this slash-and-burn strategy can get.

    Paywall
    https://www.wired.com/story/doge-incompetence-mistakes-feature-not-bug/

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Thu Feb 20 23:42:29 2025
    On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, JAB wrote:

    On 20 Feb 2025 03:31:22 -0400, Mike Spencer
    <[email protected]e> wrote:

    Accountability will come only with the full evolution of the now ongoing
    train wreck that will embrace us all.

    Economist Warns That Elon Musk Is About to Cause a "Deep, Deep
    Recession"

    "This is going to be very, very bad."

    A professor and former Department of Labor economist is warning that

    Haha.. an economist from the public sector complaining about cuts in the
    public sector. This is pathetic!

    The stock market is at record high, and it will double from here, baby! =D

    unelected White House advisor and multi-hyphenate billionaire Elon
    Musk is sending the United States headlong into a huge recession.

    In a post on Bluesky, Jesse Rothstein, a University of California,
    Berkeley public policy professor who was the DOL's chief economist at
    the start of the Obama administration, addressed the dire situation we
    could soon be facing.

    "It seems almost unavoidable at this point," Rothstein wrote, "that we
    are headed for a deep, deep recession."

    https://futurism.com/economist-elon-musk-recession


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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Feb 20 18:50:58 2025
    On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 23:42:29 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Haha.. an economist from the public sector complaining about cuts in the >public sector. This is pathetic!

    If the cuts are deep enough, they will affect other businesses
    bottom-line.

    His view, as you say, "this is the truth."

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to Mike Spencer on Thu Feb 20 20:11:13 2025
    On 20 Feb 2025 03:31:22 -0400
    Mike Spencer <[email protected]e> wrote:

    Cargo cult government. The president and his appointees, Musk and his Musketeers are Dunning-Kruger poster children, tearing around
    emulating the rituals of the despised Elite [1]. They have no more
    notion of how to operate the government that the deluded Melanesians
    had of operating aircraft or airfield towers. But like the Melanesian islanders, they're convinced by a charismatic leader that if they
    perform the rituals, they'd get cargo -- in this case power and status
    rather than tangible goods.

    Accountability will come only with the full evolution of the now ongoing train wreck that will embrace us all.

    [1] Viz. people of responsibility that know what they're doing.

    This is a really good analysis and really well said. I'm printing this one out.

    The only way forward is to go full blast towards the crash.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Feb 20 22:02:20 2025
    On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 20:11:13 -0700, Retrograde
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    The only way forward is to go full blast towards the crash.

    They have no economic model for predicting the outcome(s) as they
    slash away. Intertwined economic relationships exist...taking down a
    big ship means smaller supply ships suffer consequences.

    And of course, tax revenues decrease as they slash away....

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  • From cheesetray@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 21 00:57:27 2025
    JAB wrote:
    USDA accidentally fired officials working on bird flu and is now
    trying to rehire them

    An Agriculture Department spokesperson told NBC News that officials
    are "working to swiftly rectify the situation."


    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/doge/usda-accidentally-fired-officials-bird-f lu-rehire-rcna192716


    father, why do these words sound, so nasty ?


    This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=684122192#684122192

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  • From cheesetray@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 21 00:52:32 2025
    JAB wrote:
    USDA accidentally fired officials working on bird flu and is now
    trying to rehire them

    An Agriculture Department spokesperson told NBC News that officials
    are "working to swiftly rectify the situation."


    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/doge/usda-accidentally-fired-officials-bird-f lu-rehire-rcna192716


    ****

    if they really want to rectify the situation, they need to go to the country rector, and ask him to pray for the all the birds.


    This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=684122192#684122192

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  • From cheesetray@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 21 00:56:09 2025
    JAB wrote:
    USDA accidentally fired officials working on bird flu and is now
    trying to rehire them

    An Agriculture Department spokesperson told NBC News that officials
    are "working to swiftly rectify the situation."


    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/doge/usda-accidentally-fired-officials-bird-f lu-rehire-rcna192716


    so they don't all perish and then there won't be anymore eggs left to
    fertilize


    This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=684122192#684122192

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Feb 21 12:47:16 2025
    On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 20:11:13 -0700, Retrograde
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    The only way forward is to go full blast towards the crash.

    They have no economic model for predicting the outcome(s) as they
    slash away. Intertwined economic relationships exist...taking down a
    big ship means smaller supply ships suffer consequences.

    And of course, tax revenues decrease as they slash away....

    Nope, because it's public cutting. So with every cut, they save more.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Feb 21 12:45:02 2025
    On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 23:42:29 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Haha.. an economist from the public sector complaining about cuts in the
    public sector. This is pathetic!

    If the cuts are deep enough, they will affect other businesses
    bottom-line.

    His view, as you say, "this is the truth."


    Nope, it depends on what they do with the savings. If they put the savings
    into libertarianizing the economy, that will more than compensate for any
    cuts in the public sector. Those public workers will then be getting new entry-level private sector jobs and actually contribute to the economy for
    the first time in their lives! =D Trump wins yet again! And _this_ is the truth! =D

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Feb 21 07:37:33 2025
    On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 12:45:02 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Those public workers will then be getting new
    entry-level private sector jobs

    Is Musk hiring at X ?

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Feb 21 17:12:54 2025
    On Fri, 21 Feb 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 12:45:02 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Those public workers will then be getting new
    entry-level private sector jobs

    Is Musk hiring at X ?


    Maybe? ;)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Feb 21 17:34:29 2025
    On Fri, 21 Feb 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 17:12:54 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Maybe? ;)

    Highly unlikely in Kansas City those fired will find a job in the
    private sector. Firing IRS workers means the big tax cheats will have nothing to fear.

    Excellent! I consider them revolting people without ethics, taking other peoples property without their consent. This is violence, and their jobs
    rest ultimately on violence of the state.

    So what is happening to them is karma. What goes around comes around.

    I am so happy that I make a living in the private sector. Not like the parasites in the public sector.


    "While federal workers brace for more changes and fear for their
    livelihoods, economists warn that any major reduction in federal jobs
    -- and the inevitable disruptions in government services that follow
    -- could be devastating to Kansas City's economy."

    https://thebeaconnews.org/stories/2025/02/03/kc-federal-workers-braces-for-job-cuts-as-trump-plans-purge/


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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Feb 21 10:43:24 2025
    On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 17:34:29 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    So what is happening to them is karma.

    Your karma credit card is like vaporware....

    Firing IRS workers is not Kosher.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Feb 21 10:30:13 2025
    On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 17:12:54 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Maybe? ;)

    Highly unlikely in Kansas City those fired will find a job in the
    private sector. Firing IRS workers means the big tax cheats will have
    nothing to fear.


    "While federal workers brace for more changes and fear for their
    livelihoods, economists warn that any major reduction in federal jobs
    -- and the inevitable disruptions in government services that follow
    -- could be devastating to Kansas City's economy."

    https://thebeaconnews.org/stories/2025/02/03/kc-federal-workers-braces-for-job-cuts-as-trump-plans-purge/

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Feb 22 00:06:59 2025
    On Fri, 21 Feb 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 17:34:29 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    So what is happening to them is karma.

    Your karma credit card is like vaporware....

    Firing IRS workers is not Kosher.


    Of course it is. They are employees of the state. If the state decides it
    does no longer want them, it is perfectly free to get rid of them. They
    are not entitled, like the nobility of old, to a life time of free money
    just because they happen to work as little administrators at the IRS.

    As Jesus teaches us! Live by the sword, die by the sword. They have
    choosen to shake down people, at the threat of violence, it is time they
    get to feel what it feels like to get assaulted by the state.

    I have no sympathy what so ever for them.

    All money I earn, belongs to me. Period. Then I have to battle with
    lawyers to avoid violence from the maffia gang called "the state" to keep
    as much as possible.

    With gods help, I've been able to keep my taxes at between 9% to 15%
    depending on the fiscal year.

    I feel sorry for the common man who has to slave away at 50+%. That is unethical and called slavery.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Feb 21 18:46:20 2025
    On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 00:06:59 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Firing IRS workers is not Kosher.

    Of course it is.

    If there was an AI program to find all tax cheats, then a minimum
    staffing is needed.

    Musk wants to AI-ize FAA, but since he talks about fraud/etc., he
    should have attempted to AI-ize IRS....

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Feb 22 11:44:17 2025
    On Fri, 21 Feb 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 00:06:59 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Firing IRS workers is not Kosher.

    Of course it is.

    If there was an AI program to find all tax cheats, then a minimum
    staffing is needed.

    Musk wants to AI-ize FAA, but since he talks about fraud/etc., he
    should have attempted to AI-ize IRS....

    I am against all taxes on principle, but now we're talking when it comes
    to working smarter!

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Feb 22 05:01:23 2025
    On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 11:44:17 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    but now we're talking when it comes
    to working smarter!

    I'm opposed to HAL 9000 flying airplanes...a PIC is needed

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Feb 22 11:49:29 2025
    On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 11:44:17 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    I am against all taxes on principle

    I'm not aware of a tech-based society existing without some economic
    means for supporting a military/etc.

    March 8, 1996

    Flat tax legislation sponsored by Rep. Dick Armey (R-Tex.) and
    endorsed by presidential candidate Malcolm S. "Steve" Forbes, Jr.
    would raise taxes on the vast majority of Texas families, while
    showering enormous tax cuts on very wealthy people such as Forbes
    himself.

    Armey's flat tax bill calls for a 20% tax on wages, fringe benefits
    and self-employment earnings, with exemptions for interest, dividends
    and capital gains. The flat tax rate is supposed to fall to 17% after
    two years-the figure usually cited by Forbes-but, in fact, the rate
    would actually have to be considerably higher than the proposed 20% to
    avoid enormous additions to the federal budget deficit.

    A computer microsimulation analysis of the effects of the Armey-Forbes
    flat tax plan on Texans by Citizens for Tax Justice finds that under
    the plan at its proposed 20% tax rate:


    Federal revenues would plummet by at least $49 billion a year.

    Despite these huge revenue losses, the vast majority of Texans-all
    income groups but the top 4.6% of Texas families-would pay higher
    federal taxes.

    In contrast, the very best-off Texans-the 1.1% making more than
    $200,000 a year-would see their federal taxes cut in half.

    CTJ also found that if the flat tax rate is increased to avoid revenue
    losses:

    Federal taxes would increase on all Texas income groups except the
    best off 1.1%.

    Texans in the $20,000 to $75,000 income ranges would face tax
    increases of 24% to 70%. That would mean $900 to $1,900 a year in
    higher federal taxes for these families.

    (A February CTJ analysis found that under his flat tax plan, Steve
    Forbes personally would save a total of $1.9 billion over the rest of
    his lifetime.)

    "Because the flat tax cuts taxes so drastically on super-rich people
    like Steve Forbes, it inevitably means much higher burdens on everyone
    else," noted CTJ director Robert S. McIntyre. "Our new analysis
    quantifies the size of those increased burdens on residents of Texas."

    https://ctj.org/dick-armey-steve-forbess-plot-to-raise-taxes-on-most-texans/

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sun Feb 23 00:25:01 2025
    On Sat, 22 Feb 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 11:44:17 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    but now we're talking when it comes
    to working smarter!

    I'm opposed to HAL 9000 flying airplanes...a PIC is needed

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE

    Why? It will probably do a much better job than a human.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sun Feb 23 00:31:44 2025
    On Sat, 22 Feb 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 11:44:17 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    I am against all taxes on principle

    I'm not aware of a tech-based society existing without some economic
    means for supporting a military/etc.

    Monaco, Dubai, UAE, The Bahamas, Liechtenstein, plenty of societies levy
    no or very little taxes, yet flourish!

    Sweden lowered it's 55% marginal income tax to 50%, and ended up getting
    _more_ tax revenue as a result. Imagine how much more they would get by
    cutting that from 50 down to 25 or 15 even! =D

    March 8, 1996

    Flat tax legislation sponsored by Rep. Dick Armey (R-Tex.) and
    endorsed by presidential candidate Malcolm S. "Steve" Forbes, Jr.
    would raise taxes on the vast majority of Texas families, while
    showering enormous tax cuts on very wealthy people such as Forbes
    himself.

    Armey's flat tax bill calls for a 20% tax on wages, fringe benefits
    and self-employment earnings, with exemptions for interest, dividends
    and capital gains. The flat tax rate is supposed to fall to 17% after
    two years-the figure usually cited by Forbes-but, in fact, the rate
    would actually have to be considerably higher than the proposed 20% to
    avoid enormous additions to the federal budget deficit.

    A computer microsimulation analysis of the effects of the Armey-Forbes
    flat tax plan on Texans by Citizens for Tax Justice finds that under
    the plan at its proposed 20% tax rate:


    Federal revenues would plummet by at least $49 billion a year.

    Despite these huge revenue losses, the vast majority of Texans-all
    income groups but the top 4.6% of Texas families-would pay higher
    federal taxes.

    In contrast, the very best-off Texans-the 1.1% making more than
    $200,000 a year-would see their federal taxes cut in half.

    CTJ also found that if the flat tax rate is increased to avoid revenue losses:

    Federal taxes would increase on all Texas income groups except the
    best off 1.1%.

    Texans in the $20,000 to $75,000 income ranges would face tax
    increases of 24% to 70%. That would mean $900 to $1,900 a year in
    higher federal taxes for these families.

    (A February CTJ analysis found that under his flat tax plan, Steve
    Forbes personally would save a total of $1.9 billion over the rest of
    his lifetime.)

    "Because the flat tax cuts taxes so drastically on super-rich people
    like Steve Forbes, it inevitably means much higher burdens on everyone
    else," noted CTJ director Robert S. McIntyre. "Our new analysis
    quantifies the size of those increased burdens on residents of Texas."

    https://ctj.org/dick-armey-steve-forbess-plot-to-raise-taxes-on-most-texans/


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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Feb 22 18:28:49 2025
    On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 00:25:01 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    I'm opposed to HAL 9000 flying airplanes...a PIC is needed

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE

    Why?

    A faulty sensor or off calibrated sensor can fool HAL, unless all
    "what ifs" are within programming.

    Autonomous vehicles ain't there yet....

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sun Feb 23 11:25:00 2025
    On Sat, 22 Feb 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 00:25:01 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    I'm opposed to HAL 9000 flying airplanes...a PIC is needed

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE

    Why?

    A faulty sensor or off calibrated sensor can fool HAL, unless all
    "what ifs" are within programming.

    Autonomous vehicles ain't there yet....

    A faulty sensor can throw off a pilot as well. Planes are not self driving cars. Much easier to automate than cars. Less people, cats, and dogs to
    avoid.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Feb 23 08:59:22 2025
    On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 11:25:00 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    A faulty sensor can throw off a pilot as well.
    Much easier to automate

    Let AI work on finding tax cheats....in order to prove its abilities.

    Let Musk automate his plane(s) without a PIC onboard...and without
    human controls to fly it

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Feb 23 22:29:52 2025
    On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 00:25:01 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    I'm opposed to HAL 9000 flying airplanes...a PIC is needed

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE

    Why?

    Can't trust HAL

    Of particular concern, Bengio says, is the emerging evidence of AI's
    "self preservation" tendencies. To a goal-seeking agent, attempts to
    shut it down are just another obstacle to overcome. This was
    demonstrated in December, when researchers found that o1-preview,
    faced with deactivation, disabled oversight mechanisms and attempted--unsuccessfully--to copy itself to a new server. When
    confronted, the model played dumb, strategically lying to researchers
    to try to avoid being caught.

    https://time.com/7259395/ai-chess-cheating-palisade-research/

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