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    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 10 22:13:29 2024
    NY AG won't toss multimillion-dollar Trump civil fraud judgment

    The New York attorney general's office said Tuesday it will not drop
    its multimillion-dollar civil fraud case against President-elect
    Trump, despite his request.

    Deputy Solicitor General Judith Vale wrote in a letter to Trump
    attorney D. John Sauer that his call for New York Attorney General
    Letitia James (D) to toss the case presented "no basis" for the office
    to do so.

    "The ordinary burdens of civil litigation do not impede the
    President's official duties in a way that violates the U.S.
    Constitution," Vale wrote.

    The deputy attorney general noted the state's midlevel appeals court
    already heard Trump's challenge of the judgment and is weighing the
    matter, suggesting his official duties would not be impeded by waiting
    for that outcome or any further appeals in the matter.

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5032134-ny-attorney-general-trump-fraud-case/

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Dec 11 10:36:57 2024
    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024, JAB wrote:

    NY AG won't toss multimillion-dollar Trump civil fraud judgment

    The New York attorney general's office said Tuesday it will not drop
    its multimillion-dollar civil fraud case against President-elect
    Trump, despite his request.

    Deputy Solicitor General Judith Vale wrote in a letter to Trump
    attorney D. John Sauer that his call for New York Attorney General
    Letitia James (D) to toss the case presented "no basis" for the office
    to do so.

    "The ordinary burdens of civil litigation do not impede the
    President's official duties in a way that violates the U.S.
    Constitution," Vale wrote.

    The deputy attorney general noted the state's midlevel appeals court
    already heard Trump's challenge of the judgment and is weighing the
    matter, suggesting his official duties would not be impeded by waiting
    for that outcome or any further appeals in the matter.

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5032134-ny-attorney-general-trump-fraud-case/


    Is the logic here that Trump is still on the hook, because the potential
    crime was committed before he was/is president and that presidential
    immunity therefore won't shield him from this?

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Dec 11 07:11:30 2024
    On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 10:36:57 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Is the logic here

    This is a civil fraud judgment

    What is the difference between criminal fraud and civil fraud?

    Civil fraud: Civil cases involve disputes between private parties,
    aiming to resolve conflicts and provide remedies, such as monetary
    awards allowing victims to recover losses due to deceit or
    misrepresentation. Civil fraud can also involve enforcement
    proceedings by government regulatory agencies.

    Criminal fraud: These are actions deemed illegal by state laws or
    federal statutes. The state or federal government prosecutes the
    accused seeking penalties such as fines to punish the behavior.

    https://www.gibsonlawpartners.com/blog/2023/12/what-is-the-difference-between-criminal-fraud-and-civil-fraud/

    recover losses due to deceit or misrepresentation.

    "Though James did not mention it in her speech, her office earlier
    this year won a $464 million judgment -- plus interest that is still
    accruing -- against Trump and his family business after a state judge determined they conspired to alter the former president's net worth
    for tax and insurance benefits. "

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4977481-trump-civil-cases-future/

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