• The Right Has a Bluesky Problem

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 27 21:08:50 2024
    The Right Has a Bluesky Problem

    The X exodus is weakening a way for conservatives to speak to the
    masses.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2024/11/twitter-exodus-bluesky-conservative/680783/

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Thu Nov 28 10:59:55 2024
    On Wed, 27 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:

    The Right Has a Bluesky Problem

    The X exodus is weakening a way for conservatives to speak to the
    masses.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2024/11/twitter-exodus-bluesky-conservative/680783/


    Nope. Because the ones leaving are indoctrinated socialists and would not
    read any messages from the right anyway.

    The only effect is increased polarization and a construction of a new
    socialist echo chamber on bluesky.

    Bluesky, it seems, is the new socialist platform, while X has become the
    new freedom platform.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Nov 28 07:01:34 2024
    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 10:59:55 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    The only effect

    With a cesspool of like minded turkeys on X, X will be boring, and
    then implodes.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Thu Nov 28 16:30:43 2024
    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 10:59:55 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    The only effect

    With a cesspool of like minded turkeys on X, X will be boring, and
    then implodes.


    Bluesky will be similar. Just different set of turkeys.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 28 17:59:24 2024
    D wrote:

    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:

    With a cesspool of like minded turkeys on X, X will be
    boring, and then implodes.

    Bluesky will be similar. Just different set of turkeys.

    We need to start a campaign; let's try and get people to dump
    online social media and come to Usenet instead!

    I'm in!!!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Thu Nov 28 21:56:32 2024
    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    D wrote:

    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:

    With a cesspool of like minded turkeys on X, X will be
    boring, and then implodes.

    Bluesky will be similar. Just different set of turkeys.

    We need to start a campaign; let's try and get people to dump
    online social media and come to Usenet instead!

    I'm in!!!


    Be careful what you wish for, you might get it. ;)

    I think the current usenet is a very convenient size. Imagine if 1000
    people like me would join this group. Then it would become unmanageable!

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Nov 28 15:08:48 2024
    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 21:56:32 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Then it would become unmanageable!

    Years ago, there were moderated newsgroups.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 28 21:49:46 2024
    D wrote:



    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    D wrote:

    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:

    With a cesspool of like minded turkeys on X, X will be
    boring, and then implodes.

    Bluesky will be similar. Just different set of turkeys.

    We need to start a campaign; let's try and get people to dump
    online social media and come to Usenet instead!

    Be careful what you wish for, you might get it. ;)

    I think the current usenet is a very convenient size. Imagine
    if 1000 people like me would join this group. Then it would
    become unmanageable!

    Well, 1000 is maybe a bit optimistic... :-)

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Nov 28 17:44:55 2024
    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 16:30:43 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Bluesky will be similar. Just different set of turkeys.

    Bulls in the X closet will tire of hearing echoes, and when they come
    to realize their Pied Piper pissed on them again, they will move on to
    other activities.

    Bluesky meanwhile, has taken in civilized blue/red herds, who respect
    laws.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Nov 28 20:34:14 2024
    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 10:59:55 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Bluesky

    BREAKING: The European Federation of Journalists representing 320.000 journalists have announced they will stop posting on X. Come on
    BlueSky

    https://bsky.app/profile/kamalladreams.bsky.social/post/3lbzuae2kbc2a

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Fri Nov 29 10:40:56 2024
    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    D wrote:



    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    D wrote:

    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:

    With a cesspool of like minded turkeys on X, X will be
    boring, and then implodes.

    Bluesky will be similar. Just different set of turkeys.

    We need to start a campaign; let's try and get people to dump
    online social media and come to Usenet instead!

    Be careful what you wish for, you might get it. ;)

    I think the current usenet is a very convenient size. Imagine
    if 1000 people like me would join this group. Then it would
    become unmanageable!

    Well, 1000 is maybe a bit optimistic... :-)


    You just wait until all democrats who are angry with Musk come here
    instead of that nerdy bluesky platform! ;)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Nov 29 10:40:16 2024
    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 21:56:32 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Then it would become unmanageable!

    Years ago, there were moderated newsgroups.


    But that assumes someone wants to do it. Btw, how does it work?
    Mailinglists are easily moderated, but in usenets decentralized nature, it seems to me that all messages passed along must pass some "central" point before then appearing in the groups. Would it be a combo of email and news message?

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Nov 29 10:48:43 2024
    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 10:59:55 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Bluesky

    BREAKING: The European Federation of Journalists representing 320.000 journalists have announced they will stop posting on X. Come on
    BlueSky

    https://bsky.app/profile/kamalladreams.bsky.social/post/3lbzuae2kbc2a


    Excellent! Less homos on X. They are all socialists and are flocking to
    the party platform.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Nov 29 10:41:26 2024
    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 16:30:43 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Bluesky will be similar. Just different set of turkeys.

    Bulls in the X closet will tire of hearing echoes, and when they come
    to realize their Pied Piper pissed on them again, they will move on to
    other activities.

    Bluesky meanwhile, has taken in civilized blue/red herds, who respect
    laws.


    Doubt it. But we will see! If you are wrong, will you buy me a beer?

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Nov 29 06:12:39 2024
    On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 10:40:16 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Years ago, there were moderated newsgroups.

    But that assumes someone wants to do it. Btw, how does it work?

    Would have to be approved via those who use a given newsgroup,
    moderator would have to have software to do it, and get approval from
    a News Service Provider

    That said, consider what Big-8, a News Service Provider, says on this
    topic:


    Policy in the Big-8

    The board is on record as opposed to changed unmoderated groups to moderated in the Big-8. In view of the problems of making such changes
    (which are technically feasible), the benefits of changing a group's
    moderation status do not seem to be worth the costs involved.

    Please note well: The Big-8, despite its name, is only a small
    subset of Usenet. The Board only makes policy for the Big-8. Other
    hierarchies have their own policies.

    https://www.big-8.org/wiki/Moderated_Newsgroups

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Nov 29 06:38:04 2024
    On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 10:41:26 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Bluesky meanwhile, has taken in civilized blue/red herds, who respect
    laws.


    Doubt it. But we will see! If you are wrong, will you buy me a beer?

    Look above for the "meanwhile" word...at this current time.


    Bluesky has Feeds
    https://bsky.app/feeds

    Discover posts
    https://bsky.app/

    and individual posters. I'm aware of various posters who left X, and
    have scanned other posters' pages. Both red/blue people have migrated
    from X, and so far, both types appear to me to be more "conservative"
    in their posts. Loud mouth posters can be blocked on Bluesky at an individual's tweeting page. "A post can be removed on Bluesky by
    detaching it from a quote."

    I don't know if the same on X....I have an account on X, but it is
    used for scanning posts

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Nov 29 22:41:06 2024
    On Fri, 29 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 10:40:16 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Years ago, there were moderated newsgroups.

    But that assumes someone wants to do it. Btw, how does it work?

    Would have to be approved via those who use a given newsgroup,
    moderator would have to have software to do it, and get approval from
    a News Service Provider

    That said, consider what Big-8, a News Service Provider, says on this
    topic:


    Policy in the Big-8

    The board is on record as opposed to changed unmoderated groups to moderated in the Big-8. In view of the problems of making such changes
    (which are technically feasible), the benefits of changing a group's moderation status do not seem to be worth the costs involved.

    Please note well: The Big-8, despite its name, is only a small
    subset of Usenet. The Board only makes policy for the Big-8. Other hierarchies have their own policies.

    https://www.big-8.org/wiki/Moderated_Newsgroups


    Ahh... ok, so a news provider needs to be in on it. Makes sense.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Nov 29 19:42:50 2024
    On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 22:41:35 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    The question of beer remains!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhLKIcu4XcA

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  • From D@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 30 12:08:54 2024
    On Fri, 29 Nov 2024, Sn!pe wrote:

    D <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 10:40:16 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Years ago, there were moderated newsgroups.

    But that assumes someone wants to do it. Btw, how does it work?

    Would have to be approved via those who use a given newsgroup,
    moderator would have to have software to do it, and get approval from
    a News Service Provider

    That said, consider what Big-8, a News Service Provider, says on this
    topic:


    Policy in the Big-8

    The board is on record as opposed to changed unmoderated groups to
    moderated in the Big-8. In view of the problems of making such changes
    (which are technically feasible), the benefits of changing a group's
    moderation status do not seem to be worth the costs involved.

    Please note well: The Big-8, despite its name, is only a small
    subset of Usenet. The Board only makes policy for the Big-8. Other
    hierarchies have their own policies.

    https://www.big-8.org/wiki/Moderated_Newsgroups


    Ahh... ok, so a news provider needs to be in on it. Makes sense.


    Not quite (I hope I get this right...)

    Any newsserver that wants to may carry a moderated goup. The posting machinery is arranged so that articles posted to the moderated group are first forwarded by email to a team of moderators appointed by that
    particular newsgroup. I think (I'm not sure) that articles for posting
    may also be sent directly to the moderators by email instead.

    The moderators will approve or reject those articles according to
    criteria set by the users of that newsgroup. If approved, the article
    is then posted to one of the newsservers that carries that group and it
    then propagates in the normal way.

    It's common for well-behaved posters to be included on a whitelist so
    that they can bypass the approval process. This reduces the load on the moderators. New members of the group will usually serve a probationary period before being whitelisted. There will generally be some means of notifying the author of a rejected article the reason for rejection,
    usually by email or sometimes on a web-page.

    Aha! So email _is_ involved! That would seem to indicate that nntp does
    not include any moderation machinery, but instead, it is a fusion of nntp
    and smtp!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Nov 30 12:15:15 2024
    On Fri, 29 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 22:41:35 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    The question of beer remains!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhLKIcu4XcA


    Veru beatutiful! =) I saw the light! ;)

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Nov 30 07:17:21 2024
    On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 12:08:54 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    So email _is_ involved!

    How does moderation work?

    <https://www.big-8.org/wiki/Moderated_Newsgroups#How_does_moderation_work??

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Nov 30 10:54:26 2024
    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 16:30:43 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Bluesky will be similar. Just different set of turkeys.


    Journalists flock to Bluesky as X becomes increasingly 'toxic'

    Journalists are finding more readers and less hate on Bluesky than on
    the platform they used to know as Twitter.

    When Ashton Pittman, an award-winning news editor and reporter, first
    joined the app Bluesky, he said, he was the only Mississippi
    journalist he knew to be using it. Until about five weeks ago, he
    said, that was the case. But now, Pittman said, there are at least 15 Mississippi journalists on Bluesky as it becomes a preferred platform
    for reporters, writers, activists and other groups who have become
    increasingly alienated by X.

    Pittman's outlet, the Mississippi Free Press, already has more
    followers on Bluesky (28,500) than it ever did on X (22,000), the
    platform formerly known as Twitter, and Pittman said the audience
    engagement on Bluesky is booming.

    "We have posts that are exactly the same on Twitter and on Bluesky,
    and with those identical posts, Bluesky is getting 20 times the
    engagement or more than Twitter," Pittman said. "Seeing a social media
    platform that doesn't throttle links really makes it clear how badly
    we were being limited."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/bluesky-x-becomes-social-media-rcna181685

    Elon Musk confirms that he's limiting people's ability to share
    outside news on X
    ...
    ...
    "Our algorithm tries to optimize time spent on X, so links don't get
    as much attention, because there is less time spent if people click
    away," Musk said at the time

    https://www.yahoo.com/tech/elon-musk-confirms-limiting-people-022159503.html

    Irrational thinking...if a person wants to read an article, most will
    find a way to do so. I've done this when a link is not cited.

    time spent on X

    I would like to think each viewer limits time spent....I scan
    this/that, and then leave.

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Dec 4 11:44:41 2024
    On 11/28/2024 4:08 PM, JAB wrote:
    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 21:56:32 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Then it would become unmanageable!

    Years ago, there were moderated newsgroups.

    There still are a few. I was a member of a broadcasting group, but it
    went under a few years ago.

    I still read comp.dcom.telecom which is an active moderated group.

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  • From Meme Operations@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon Dec 9 23:38:52 2024
    JAB wrote:
    The Right Has a Bluesky Problem

    The X exodus is weakening a way for conservatives to speak to the
    masses.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2024/11/twitter-exodus-bluesky-conservative/680783/


    4chan: known as a right-wing Nazi haven, allows all types of opinions and rhetoric.

    X: known as a right-wing Nazi haven, allows all types of opinions and rhetoric.

    Reddit: known as a left-wing haven, bans anyone posting anything even slightly right of center.

    Bluesky: quickly becoming known as a left-wing haven, bans anyone posting anything even slightly right of center.

    Really makes you think.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Dec 10 05:00:54 2024
    On Mon, 9 Dec 2024 23:38:52 -0500, Meme Operations
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Bluesky: quickly becoming known as a left-wing haven, bans anyone posting >anything even slightly right of center.

    Really makes you think.

    I'm on both places....good conservatives have flocked to Bluesky. X
    has lots of bullshit, including what comes out of the boss's mouth.

    Oh, did you forget? Many companies who advertised on X, no longer do
    ads there....and all companies want a pristine reputation, except X

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  • From Anonymous@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Dec 11 00:02:14 2024
    JAB wrote:
    On Mon, 9 Dec 2024 23:38:52 -0500, Meme Operations
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Bluesky: quickly becoming known as a left-wing haven, bans anyone posting
    anything even slightly right of center.

    Really makes you think.

    I'm on both places....good conservatives have flocked to Bluesky.

    They are CUCKservatives: only "good" in that they always refuse to fight,
    and always surrender to the Left. Leftists only let cuckservatives get
    just close enough so they can spit on them.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Anonymous on Wed Dec 11 06:36:05 2024
    On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 00:02:14 -0500, Anonymous <[email protected]> wrote:

    They are CUCKservatives: only "good" in that they always refuse to fight,

    These are not Chicken-Hawks....William Buckley Jr and Ayn Rand would
    not approve of these J6 hoodlums, who don't understand they are
    screwing themselves by not understanding he is another deep-state.

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to Meme Operations on Sun Dec 15 07:43:10 2024
    On 2024-12-10, Meme Operations <[email protected]> wrote:
    JAB wrote:
    4chan: known as a right-wing Nazi haven, allows all types of opinions and rhetoric.
    X: known as a right-wing Nazi haven, allows all types of opinions and rhetoric.
    Reddit: known as a left-wing haven, bans anyone posting anything even slightly
    right of center.
    Bluesky: quickly becoming known as a left-wing haven, bans anyone posting anything even slightly right of center.

    Usenet: forgotten sewer of the internet, like a tumor identified when
    you were a child and forgotten in the 40 years since and left untreated. Inhabited by neckbeards, keyboard junkies, trolls, and geriatric losers
    who enjoy calling each other asshats anonymously across the void. So
    devoid of actual critical thought and decent content even the botfarms
    don't bother to index it anymore.

    Really makes you think.

    About what? That in the modern internet, people flock to the forums of
    people who share their proclivities? That's always been the case.

    And to whomever is trying to smear leftist forums as ban-happy while X
    and 4chan allow all types of opinions etc., I don't agree that's the
    case. But I'm enjoying the alt-right start to recognize their precious
    little forum is growing irrelevant under Musk's poor leadership.

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