'A place of joy': why scientists are joining the rush to Bluesky
On 25 Nov 2024 13:30:58 GMT, Retrograde <[email protected]d>
wrote:
'A place of joy': why scientists are joining the rush to Bluesky
I've seen it on X, where Trump's stooges attempt to degrade a legit
post with the "party's" response.
They foam with non-sense...not factually based.
Ahh... finally a blue sky, fact checked and all, where
only the truth will be allowed to be told!
'A place of joy': why scientists are joining the rush to Bluesky
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 23:19:17 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:
Ahh... finally a blue sky, fact checked and all, where
only the truth will be allowed to be told!
There are facts, and there is fiction....only one way to view this
topic below, and eradicate "pro disinfectant" posts.
At least 5 states report an increase in calls to poison control
Calls to poison centers have increased in a number of states following
Donald Trump's suggestion last week that disinfectants be considered a possible treatment for the novel coronavirus. Yes, people actually
started ingesting disinfectants like Lysol last week. While Trump
claimed his comment was sarcastic on Friday, he once again took no responsibility for the consequences resulting from his stupid remarks
https://www.poison.med.wayne.edu/updates-content/kstytapp2qfstf0pkacdxmz943u1hs
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:
There are facts, and there is fiction....only one way to
view this topic below, and eradicate "pro disinfectant"
posts.
Incorrect. There are facts, fiction and friction!
If people are stupid and do it,
they only have themselves to blame.
Ahh... finally a blue sky, fact checked and all, where only the truth will
be allowed to be told!
On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 10:24:59 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:
If people are stupid and do it,
they only have themselves to blame.
Irrelevant point....
"Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer expressed similar views, whether
comments are "serious or not" she said people listen to those in
power."
Trump is an illiterate person in regards to medicine, and should have
shut the fuck up.
Hydroxychloroquine: Trump's Covid-19 'cure' increases deaths, global
study finds https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/may/22/hydroxychloroquine-trumps-covid-19-cure-increases-deaths-global-study-finds
Ahh... finally a blue sky, fact checked and all, where only the truth will >> be allowed to be told!
When it comes to accepted/known information, and those like Trump who
know nothing on a given topic espouse gibberish, their posts need to
be eliminated. And what they really need, is the board of education.
The earth is not flat.....
D wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:
There are facts, and there is fiction....only one way to
view this topic below, and eradicate "pro disinfectant"
posts.
Incorrect. There are facts, fiction and friction!
No, no, no... that's not correct.
There are facts and then there are alternative facts!
:-)
D <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2024, Blueshirt wrote:
D wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:
There are facts, and there is fiction....only one way to
view this topic below, and eradicate "pro disinfectant"
posts.
Incorrect. There are facts, fiction and friction!
No, no, no... that's not correct.
There are facts and then there are alternative facts!
:-)
Please, don't forget the factual alternative facts as well!
My mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts.
On Tue, 26 Nov 2024, Sn!pe wrote:
D <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2024, Blueshirt wrote:
There are facts and then there are alternative facts!
Please, don't forget the factual alternative facts as well!
My mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts.
I say, we let Gordon decide!
Hydroxychloroquine: Trump's Covid-19 'cure' increases deaths, global
If people are stupid and do it,
they only have themselves to blame.
Irrelevant point....
No, you quote me out of context. The context explains why it is not an >irrelevant point.
No, you quote me out of context.
Yet, many falsehoods were promoted as truths by "fact checkers" during >corona.
Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:
D wrote:
I say, we let Gordon decide!
If I said Gordon was a moron, would anyone 'get it'?
[Yes, I'm showing my age!]
Jilted John is still jealous.
D <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2024, Sn!pe wrote:
D <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2024, Blueshirt wrote:
D wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:
There are facts, and there is fiction....only one way to
view this topic below, and eradicate "pro disinfectant"
posts.
Incorrect. There are facts, fiction and friction!
No, no, no... that's not correct.
There are facts and then there are alternative facts!
:-)
Please, don't forget the factual alternative facts as well!
My mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts.
I say, we let Gordon decide!
Gordon's answer is below:
--
^�^. Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS My pet rock Gordon just is.
'Go to the banks of the great grey-green, greasy Limpopo River,
all set about with fever-trees, and find out.' --R Kipling
On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 16:24:05 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:
No, you quote me out of context.
One has missed the point....
On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 16:24:05 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:
If people are stupid and do it,
they only have themselves to blame.
Irrelevant point....
No, you quote me out of context. The context explains why it is not an
irrelevant point.
Your implicit assumption is all are equal mentally, but adults should
know children are not, and these adults watch their words around
children.
This observation is old news: "Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer
expressed similar views, whether comments are "serious or not" she
said people listen to those in power."
Pied Piper of Hamelin - The phrase "pied piper" has become a metaphor
for a person who attracts a following through charisma or false
promises"
On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 16:24:05 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:
Yet, many falsehoods were promoted as truths by "fact checkers" during
corona.
Cite two....
Sn!pe wrote:
Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:
D wrote:
I say, we let Gordon decide!
If I said Gordon was a moron, would anyone 'get it'?
[Yes, I'm showing my age!]
Jilted John is still jealous.
Now you're showing YOUR age! ;-)
JAB <[email protected]d> writes:
Hydroxychloroquine: Trump's Covid-19 'cure' increases deaths, global
If some of his followers followed his advice, it was natural selection in action.
Vaccine Safety Claims:
Early in the pandemic, some fact-checkers claimed that there was
no evidence linking vaccines to serious health issues.
My assumption is that we are all responisble for our own lives, and we
have freedom of speech. The ones who are not so well mentally, have >caretakers, friends or family, who can (but are not forced to) take care
of them.
Therefore, there is no problem with Trump saying what he did, since
it is not a huge assumption that most adults are smart enough to
understand that.
On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 10:18:53 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:
My assumption is that we are all responisble for our own lives, and we
have freedom of speech. The ones who are not so well mentally, have
caretakers, friends or family, who can (but are not forced to) take care
of them.
Therefore, there is no problem with Trump saying what he did, since
it is not a huge assumption that most adults are smart enough to
understand that.
Ann Landers would reject your flawed reasoning since her "ethics were generally considered to be based on promoting empathy, honesty, and
personal responsibility."
Personal responsibility is where he fails....Greatly.
Personal responsibility is where he fails....Greatly.
I don't care about Ann Landers, so this argument is very weak.
On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 21:29:00 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:
Personal responsibility is where he fails....Greatly.
I don't care about Ann Landers, so this argument is very weak.
Those who are religious would oppose your objection. Misleading or
deceiving others is not a Christian value, nor a Boy Scout objective.
What are the Scout Oath?
Scout Oath - On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law; to help other people at all times;
to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally
straight.
absurdums
Examples of Fact-Checker Errors
On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 10:27:45 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:
Examples of Fact-Checker Errors
One needs to consult with the professional fact-checkers...and
understand how fact-checking works.
That said, professional fact-checking organizations like Snopes,
Politifact, and FactCheck.org are extremely valuable (as are science
and skepticism websites that often play the role of fact-checker);
however, these sources are valuable not because they are
authoritative, but rather precisely because they are transparent and
cite their sources. I'd never suggest that someone should blindly
believe a source like Snopes, but the break-down of why and how they
came to their conclusion and what sources they used is incredibly
useful. You don't have to blindly believe fact-checkers because you
can look at their sources and verify what they are saying! You can
also cross-check multiple fact-checkers to see if they are in
agreement or if one has uncovered information that the others missed.
https://thelogicofscience.com/2024/04/25/yes-you-should-fact-check/
That's nonsense. Fact checkers are human, and being represented as the
judges of what is fact or not, gives them enormous power, and enormous >potential for corruptability.
On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:
On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 10:27:45 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:
Examples of Fact-Checker Errors
One needs to consult with the professional fact-checkers...and
understand how fact-checking works.
That said, professional fact-checking organizations like Snopes, Politifact, and FactCheck.org are extremely valuable (as are science
and skepticism websites that often play the role of fact-checker);
however, these sources are valuable not because they are
authoritative, but rather precisely because they are transparent and
cite their sources. I'd never suggest that someone should blindly
believe a source like Snopes, but the break-down of why and how they
came to their conclusion and what sources they used is incredibly
useful. You don't have to blindly believe fact-checkers because you
can look at their sources and verify what they are saying! You can
also cross-check multiple fact-checkers to see if they are in
agreement or if one has uncovered information that the others missed.
https://thelogicofscience.com/2024/04/25/yes-you-should-fact-check/
That's nonsense. Fact checkers are human, and being represented as the
judges of what is fact or not, gives them enormous power, and enormous potential for corruptability.
I have shown you several cases where they have been wrong. Then, on top of that, a lot of polarizing discource is about values, and by definition,
there can be no "fact" there, which is always forgotten.
That is when fact checkers tend to stop becoming fact checkers, and become political players.
On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 10:43:37 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:
That's nonsense. Fact checkers are human, and being represented as the
judges of what is fact or not, gives them enormous power, and enormous
potential for corruptability.
"You don't have to blindly believe fact-checkers because you
can look at their sources and verify what they are saying! You can
also cross-check multiple fact-checkers to see if they are in
agreement or if one has uncovered information that the others missed."
On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 10:43:37 +0100
D <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:
On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 10:27:45 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:
Examples of Fact-Checker Errors
One needs to consult with the professional fact-checkers...and
understand how fact-checking works.
That said, professional fact-checking organizations like Snopes,
Politifact, and FactCheck.org are extremely valuable (as are science
and skepticism websites that often play the role of fact-checker);
however, these sources are valuable not because they are
authoritative, but rather precisely because they are transparent and
cite their sources. I'd never suggest that someone should blindly
believe a source like Snopes, but the break-down of why and how they
came to their conclusion and what sources they used is incredibly
useful. You don't have to blindly believe fact-checkers because you
can look at their sources and verify what they are saying! You can
also cross-check multiple fact-checkers to see if they are in
agreement or if one has uncovered information that the others missed.
https://thelogicofscience.com/2024/04/25/yes-you-should-fact-check/
That's nonsense. Fact checkers are human, and being represented as the
judges of what is fact or not, gives them enormous power, and enormous
potential for corruptability.
I have shown you several cases where they have been wrong. Then, on top of >> that, a lot of polarizing discource is about values, and by definition,
there can be no "fact" there, which is always forgotten.
That is when fact checkers tend to stop becoming fact checkers, and become >> political players.
'Facts are bad, and I don't like them if they disagree with my position.'
Post-truth.
So paradoxically I'd argue that they actually do
more to obfuscate, than to help.
more to obfuscate
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