• Re: Washington Post won't endorse candidate in 2024 presidential electi

    From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Oct 25 16:21:12 2024
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:06:44 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    I am of the opinion that all news media should refrain from political >endorsements.

    Blue collar workers and Gen Zs do not read newspapers as often as
    other news sources (social media, streaming devices, people's "BS",
    etc), and as such, I believe literate people who do read newspapers
    are the adults in the room who can decipher reality.

    There are various reasons why people vote for a candidate A, ranging
    from "tax breaks" for me to behavioral aspects, etc.

    When news sources indicate candidate A's policies will bring about
    more inflation than candidate B, many voters will still vote for this
    person. So its clear these people can't make rational decisions.

    I don't think political endorsements have clout.


    "Households with an average income of $100,000 were more likely to
    read the newspaper at a rate of 70 percent."

    But, what do they read??? Sports, obits, etc ???

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Oct 25 19:10:53 2024
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:06:44 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    political
    endorsements.

    Jeff Bezos killed Washington Post endorsement of Kamala Harris, paper
    reports

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 19:19:11 2024
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:06:44 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    political
    endorsements.

    Warren Buffett Finally Chooses Whom To Endorse In The 2024 Election
    And It Might Be A Surprise For Many


    He has made it clear he's not endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris,
    former President Donald Trump or any other candidate. In a time of
    deep political division, Buffett has decided that staying out of the
    game is his best move.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/warren-buffett-finally-chooses-whom-141605032.html

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 19:30:53 2024
    political
    endorsements.

    Los Angeles Times sees resignations and loss of subscriptions after
    owner blocks Harris endorsement

    Biotech billionaire Patrick Soon-Shiong, who bought the newspaper in
    2018, wouldn't let board endorse Harris

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/25/los-angeles-times-owner-blocks-harris-endorsement

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 19:40:40 2024
    political
    endorsements.


    Just canceled the newspaper that told us "Democracy Dies In Darkness"

    https://x.com/MarkHamill/status/1849914582141370643

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Oct 26 12:29:41 2024
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:06:44 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    I am of the opinion that all news media should refrain from political
    endorsements.

    Blue collar workers and Gen Zs do not read newspapers as often as
    other news sources (social media, streaming devices, people's "BS",
    etc), and as such, I believe literate people who do read newspapers
    are the adults in the room who can decipher reality.

    Hooray! I'm an adult in the room! ;)

    There are various reasons why people vote for a candidate A, ranging
    from "tax breaks" for me to behavioral aspects, etc.

    When news sources indicate candidate A's policies will bring about
    more inflation than candidate B, many voters will still vote for this
    person. So its clear these people can't make rational decisions.

    I don't think political endorsements have clout.

    This is a very interesting question. I wonder how much they do influence
    their readers, or, if the readers choose their newspapers based on
    pre-existing leanings?


    "Households with an average income of $100,000 were more likely to
    read the newspaper at a rate of 70 percent."

    But, what do they read??? Sports, obits, etc ???

    I skip lightly over the irrelevant stuff, and mostly read financially
    oriented articles. Probably I read about 30% to 40% of the newspaper.

    Oh and I read The Phantom and the Moomin trolls comics!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Oct 26 12:30:36 2024
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:06:44 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    political
    endorsements.

    Warren Buffett Finally Chooses Whom To Endorse In The 2024 Election
    And It Might Be A Surprise For Many


    He has made it clear he's not endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris,
    former President Donald Trump or any other candidate. In a time of
    deep political division, Buffett has decided that staying out of the
    game is his best move.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/warren-buffett-finally-chooses-whom-141605032.html


    Chicken!

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Oct 26 07:13:50 2024
    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 12:29:41 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    I don't think political endorsements have clout.

    This is a very interesting question. I wonder how much they do influence >their readers, or, if the readers choose their newspapers based on >pre-existing leanings?

    The so called "righteous" ones will vote for an unrighteous candidate
    since their zealots "guide" them in this direction

    I don't recall when the Rs went after the religious vote, but
    somewhere in the 1980s or later, they courted them (via having their name/addresses/etc). So here, newspeak plays a role, not newspapers..

    If a person is reading a newspaper daily, I believe their
    preconceptions can filter out opposing views, and even facts. If a
    person has a business where a government's decision can affect their
    bottom line, they tend to vote for who offers the best deal for them.

    Needless to say, an issue like abortion can determine which way a
    person will vote.

    I believe many voters are not voting in the best interest of a nation,
    but rather on a candidate who offers something of interest for them.

    I believe many candidates use pollsters (or data obtained from them)
    these days for spit-shinning their positions.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Oct 27 18:15:10 2024
    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 12:29:41 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    I don't think political endorsements have clout.

    This is a very interesting question. I wonder how much they do influence >their readers, or, if the readers choose their newspapers based on >pre-existing leanings?

    If you are voting for Trump after this rally, you support fascism. If
    you claim it's because of taxes or immigration or whatever issue makes
    you feel righteous about supporting a fascist, you're like an Italian supporting Mussolini because he made the trains run on time.

    https://x.com/julieroginsky/status/1850642547783418192

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon Oct 28 10:39:20 2024
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    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 12:29:41 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    I don't think political endorsements have clout.

    This is a very interesting question. I wonder how much they do influence
    their readers, or, if the readers choose their newspapers based on
    pre-existing leanings?

    If you are voting for Trump after this rally, you support fascism. If
    you claim it's because of taxes or immigration or whatever issue makes
    you feel righteous about supporting a fascist, you're like an Italian supporting Mussolini because he made the trains run on time.

    https://x.com/julieroginsky/status/1850642547783418192


    That's nonsense and fake news and why Trump will win. People are getting
    tired of all the hyperbole, and have since long stopped listening.

    Trump wants this:

    1. Immigration Reform and Border Security
    One of Donald Trump’s most significant policy proposals revolves around immigration reform, which includes the construction of a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. Trump has consistently advocated for stricter
    immigration policies, including increased funding for border security,
    enhanced deportation efforts, and changes to legal immigration processes.
    His administration would likely focus on reducing illegal immigration
    through enforcement measures and revising visa programs to prioritize
    skilled workers.

    2. Economic Policy and Tax Reform
    Trump has proposed a comprehensive economic policy aimed at stimulating
    growth through tax cuts and deregulation. His plan includes lowering
    corporate tax rates to encourage business investment and job creation, as
    well as simplifying the tax code for individuals. Additionally, he has emphasized the importance of renegotiating trade deals that he believes disadvantage American workers, such as NAFTA and agreements with China.

    3. Energy Independence and Deregulation
    A key aspect of Trump’s policy agenda is achieving energy independence for the United States. This involves promoting fossil fuel production,
    including oil, natural gas, and coal, while rolling back regulations that
    he argues hinder energy development. Trump supports expanding drilling on federal lands and offshore areas to boost domestic energy production and
    reduce reliance on foreign energy sources.

    4. Foreign Policy: America First Approach
    Trump’s foreign policy is characterized by an “America First” approach, which prioritizes U.S. interests in international relations. This includes reassessing alliances and military commitments abroad, focusing on
    bilateral trade agreements rather than multilateral ones, and advocating
    for increased defense spending to strengthen the military. He has also expressed skepticism about international organizations like NATO unless
    member countries meet their financial obligations.

    5. Health Care Reform
    Trump aims to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act (ACA), commonly
    known as Obamacare. His proposed health care reforms include increasing competition in the insurance market by allowing insurance sales across
    state lines, providing tax deductions for health insurance premiums, and promoting Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). The goal is to lower costs while improving access to healthcare services without government mandates.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Oct 28 06:26:03 2024
    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 10:39:20 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Trump wants this:

    1. Immigration Reform and Border Security
    2. Economic Policy and Tax Reform
    4. Foreign Policy: America First Approach
    5. Health Care Reform

    He had four years to do this....

    3. Energy Independence and Deregulation

    Oh, he supports the Oil/Gas industries....

    "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over
    again, but expecting different results"

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon Oct 28 21:54:39 2024
    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 10:39:20 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Trump wants this:

    1. Immigration Reform and Border Security
    2. Economic Policy and Tax Reform
    4. Foreign Policy: America First Approach
    5. Health Care Reform

    He had four years to do this....

    He started, but the democrats stole the election and reversed all the
    progress and made it worse. This is the proven truth! (TM)

    3. Energy Independence and Deregulation

    Oh, he supports the Oil/Gas industries....

    "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over
    again, but expecting different results"

    This is good! I like oil and gas, and my oil stocks have always given me
    great riches! May he continue to support oil and gas, since without oil
    and gas, civilization would collapse over night.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Oct 28 22:12:27 2024
    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 02:16:15 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <[email protected]d> wrote:

    This is genius! LOL, no, it's classic Reagan trickle-down economics.
    Didn't work then, hasn't ever worked, won't work now.

    AI Overview

    "The hogs were really feeding" is a comment made by David Stockman,
    the budget director for Ronald Reagan, about the greed and opportunism
    that came to the forefront when the tax legislation went to the Hill.
    Stockman made the comment in a Washington Post confession about the
    Kemp-Roth bill. He said that he knew from the beginning that the
    supply-side formula was the only way to get a tax policy that was
    truly "trickle down". He also conceded that the tax cut was a rich
    man's bill

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Oct 29 02:16:15 2024
    On 2024-10-28, D <[email protected]> wrote:
    That's nonsense and fake news and why Trump will win. People are getting tired of all the hyperbole, and have since long stopped listening.

    Probably true, actually!



    1. Immigration Reform and Border Security
    One of Donald Trump’s most significant policy proposals revolves around immigration reform, which includes the construction of a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. Trump has consistently advocated for stricter
    immigration policies, including increased funding for border security, enhanced deportation efforts, and changes to legal immigration processes.
    His administration would likely focus on reducing illegal immigration
    through enforcement measures and revising visa programs to prioritize
    skilled workers.

    I don't think he's capable of it, and his wall was a collossal, fucking
    joke. But what the hell, I too want secure borders and the restoration
    of this country's ability to control who gets in.


    2. Economic Policy and Tax Reform
    Trump has proposed a comprehensive economic policy aimed at stimulating growth through tax cuts and deregulation. His plan includes lowering corporate tax rates to encourage business investment and job creation, as well as simplifying the tax code for individuals. Additionally, he has emphasized the importance of renegotiating trade deals that he believes disadvantage American workers, such as NAFTA and agreements with China.

    This is genius! LOL, no, it's classic Reagan trickle-down economics.
    Didn't work then, hasn't ever worked, won't work now. It's lowering
    taxes for the billionaires pushing to put him in office, and the cuts
    will all come from social programs and education, as usual, making this
    country stupider than it already is. "TCAD" is a Republican mantra for
    half a century and virtual proof they have no ideas at all.

    3. Energy Independence and Deregulation
    A key aspect of Trump’s policy agenda is achieving energy independence for the United States. This involves promoting fossil fuel production,
    including oil, natural gas, and coal, while rolling back regulations that
    he argues hinder energy development. Trump supports expanding drilling on federal lands and offshore areas to boost domestic energy production and reduce reliance on foreign energy sources.

    Oil is more expensive than solar these days, and this policy is what you
    get when your illiterate candidate has been bought by Shell and Exxon.


    4. Foreign Policy: America First Approach
    Trump’s foreign policy is characterized by an “America First” approach, which prioritizes U.S. interests in international relations. This includes reassessing alliances and military commitments abroad, focusing on
    bilateral trade agreements rather than multilateral ones, and advocating
    for increased defense spending to strengthen the military. He has also expressed skepticism about international organizations like NATO unless member countries meet their financial obligations.

    If only the military knew how to make better use of the limitless funds
    it already receives.

    5. Health Care Reform
    Trump aims to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act (ACA), commonly known as Obamacare. His proposed health care reforms include increasing competition in the insurance market by allowing insurance sales across
    state lines, providing tax deductions for health insurance premiums, and promoting Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). The goal is to lower costs while improving access to healthcare services without government mandates.

    Yawn. Boring. So basically, needed a healthcare bullet and this is the
    best some neckbearded, sadsack campaign advisor could come up with.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Retrograde on Tue Oct 29 11:51:13 2024
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    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024, Retrograde wrote:

    On 2024-10-28, D <[email protected]> wrote:
    That's nonsense and fake news and why Trump will win. People are getting
    tired of all the hyperbole, and have since long stopped listening.

    Probably true, actually!



    1. Immigration Reform and Border Security
    One of Donald Trump’s most significant policy proposals revolves around
    immigration reform, which includes the construction of a wall along the
    U.S.-Mexico border. Trump has consistently advocated for stricter
    immigration policies, including increased funding for border security,
    enhanced deportation efforts, and changes to legal immigration processes.
    His administration would likely focus on reducing illegal immigration
    through enforcement measures and revising visa programs to prioritize
    skilled workers.

    I don't think he's capable of it, and his wall was a collossal, fucking
    joke. But what the hell, I too want secure borders and the restoration
    of this country's ability to control who gets in.

    The wall was a symbol. It never had anything to do with reality. The
    question you must ask yourself, will Camela be more likely to succeed with stopping immigration? I don't think so.


    2. Economic Policy and Tax Reform
    Trump has proposed a comprehensive economic policy aimed at stimulating
    growth through tax cuts and deregulation. His plan includes lowering
    corporate tax rates to encourage business investment and job creation, as
    well as simplifying the tax code for individuals. Additionally, he has
    emphasized the importance of renegotiating trade deals that he believes
    disadvantage American workers, such as NAFTA and agreements with China.

    This is genius! LOL, no, it's classic Reagan trickle-down economics.
    Didn't work then, hasn't ever worked, won't work now. It's lowering

    Trickle-down has been proven to work. The proof is that the world, at
    large, even though it has billionaires, has the best and highest material living standard it has ever had. Despite Musk and other billionaires
    getting wealthier, the lowest of the low have it better today than 100
    years ago. Infant mortality is way down. This is the result of capitalism
    and trickle down.

    The mistake bad economists and leftists do when they say it doesn't work,
    is that they look at 5 years or 10 years, and of course the world will not change that much in a few years. If you look at 40 or 60 years, you will
    see that trickle down does work, and is the only explanation for the
    success of capitalism.

    taxes for the billionaires pushing to put him in office, and the cuts
    will all come from social programs and education, as usual, making this country stupider than it already is. "TCAD" is a Republican mantra for
    half a century and virtual proof they have no ideas at all.

    Markets and capitalism, in the long run, are stronger than any politician.
    If politicians resists the markets, in the end, they and their country
    will end up like Venezuela. Even the communists in china have not been
    able to resist the market. If they had, they would have had a revolution
    by now.

    3. Energy Independence and Deregulation
    A key aspect of Trump’s policy agenda is achieving energy independence for >> the United States. This involves promoting fossil fuel production,
    including oil, natural gas, and coal, while rolling back regulations that
    he argues hinder energy development. Trump supports expanding drilling on
    federal lands and offshore areas to boost domestic energy production and
    reduce reliance on foreign energy sources.

    Oil is more expensive than solar these days, and this policy is what you
    get when your illiterate candidate has been bought by Shell and Exxon.

    This is incorrect. I can not run my car on solar. Boats, plastic,
    industrial applications, oil is everywhere and cannot be replaced in the
    near term (5-20 years) with solar.

    Also note that at least where I am living, 50% of the price of oil is
    taxes. Removing those for a fair comparison, makes oil extremely cheap.

    Over time, 30+ years from now, solar, wind and nuclear will phase out oil.
    This I think is obvious. But until then, it's oil all the way.


    4. Foreign Policy: America First Approach
    Trump’s foreign policy is characterized by an “America First” approach,
    which prioritizes U.S. interests in international relations. This includes >> reassessing alliances and military commitments abroad, focusing on
    bilateral trade agreements rather than multilateral ones, and advocating
    for increased defense spending to strengthen the military. He has also
    expressed skepticism about international organizations like NATO unless
    member countries meet their financial obligations.

    If only the military knew how to make better use of the limitless funds
    it already receives.

    They are a part of government, and as such, clueless about how to use
    money efficiently. Sadly, military is a purely destructive force, so
    ideally it should be completely dismantled. Sadly we are not at that point
    in history, so the waste continues. The generals, with their black masses, continue to profit handsomely at the tax payers expense.

    5. Health Care Reform
    Trump aims to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act (ACA), commonly
    known as Obamacare. His proposed health care reforms include increasing
    competition in the insurance market by allowing insurance sales across
    state lines, providing tax deductions for health insurance premiums, and
    promoting Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). The goal is to lower costs while >> improving access to healthcare services without government mandates.

    Yawn. Boring. So basically, needed a healthcare bullet and this is the
    best some neckbearded, sadsack campaign advisor could come up with.

    Maybe.

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Oct 29 11:36:51 2024
    On 2024-10-29, D <[email protected]> wrote:
    One of Donald Trump’s most significant policy proposals revolves
    around immigration reform, which includes the construction of a wall
    along the U.S.-Mexico border. Trump has consistently advocated for
    stricter immigration policies, including increased funding for
    ...

    I don't think he's capable of it, and his wall was a collossal,
    fucking joke. But what the hell, I too want secure borders and the
    restoration of this country's ability to control who gets in.

    The wall was a symbol. It never had anything to do with reality. The
    question you must ask yourself, will Camela be more likely to succeed
    with stopping immigration? I don't think so.

    Ha ha ha, beautiful revisionist history, so typical. If that's what
    helps team Cheeto sleep at night, enjoy it. But it was absolutely not a
    joke back in the day.

    I'd concede it's hugely symbolic now though: expensive, incomplete,
    poorly thought out, a total waste of taxpayer dollars, got Bannon thrown
    in jail for grifting, and never kept one single immigrant out.

    It's a symbol now for sure.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Oct 29 12:01:45 2024
    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 11:51:13 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    The wall was a symbol. It never had anything to do with reality. The
    question you must ask yourself, will Camela be more likely to succeed with >stopping immigration? I don't think so.

    Only if Congress wants to enact effective punishments against
    employers.

    In the first two years of Trump's previous presidency, this could have
    been done. But no, Trump ;had illegals working for him.

    Trickle-down has been proven to work.

    Do not suggest that when taking Economics 101

    "Many economists argue that trickle-down policies often lead to
    increased income inequality, as wealth does not always "trickle down" significantly to lower-income groups"


    BTW, Trickle-Up is much better in a free market. That's right, let
    the consumers choose products/services with their tax relief.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Oct 29 11:44:46 2024
    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 20:37:32 -0700, % <[email protected]> wrote:

    you post a lot when do you start saying anything


    Mostly, posts reflect others' views....

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Tue Oct 29 21:50:51 2024
    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 11:51:13 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    The wall was a symbol. It never had anything to do with reality. The
    question you must ask yourself, will Camela be more likely to succeed with >> stopping immigration? I don't think so.

    Only if Congress wants to enact effective punishments against
    employers.

    In the first two years of Trump's previous presidency, this could have
    been done. But no, Trump ;had illegals working for him.

    Trickle-down has been proven to work.

    Do not suggest that when taking Economics 101

    I do. Most economics in state funded schools is meant to teach that the
    state is king and that markets don't work without politicians. Look at the austrian school and prosper. I have let its economic theories guide my investments for a long time and prospered.

    "Many economists argue that trickle-down policies often lead to
    increased income inequality, as wealth does not always "trickle down" significantly to lower-income groups"

    Income inequality is completely irrelevant as long as everyone gets it
    better. This is exactly the effects of capitalism, as I describe in my
    original text. No one has been able to refute that capitalism has made everything better at a 50 years scale.


    BTW, Trickle-Up is much better in a free market. That's right, let
    the consumers choose products/services with their tax relief.

    This is obfuscation. It is called a market, and is already in place,
    everyt single day.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Retrograde on Tue Oct 29 21:48:01 2024
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    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024, Retrograde wrote:

    On 2024-10-29, D <[email protected]> wrote:
    One of Donald Trump’s most significant policy proposals revolves
    around immigration reform, which includes the construction of a wall
    along the U.S.-Mexico border. Trump has consistently advocated for
    stricter immigration policies, including increased funding for
    ...

    I don't think he's capable of it, and his wall was a collossal,
    fucking joke. But what the hell, I too want secure borders and the
    restoration of this country's ability to control who gets in.

    The wall was a symbol. It never had anything to do with reality. The
    question you must ask yourself, will Camela be more likely to succeed
    with stopping immigration? I don't think so.

    Ha ha ha, beautiful revisionist history, so typical. If that's what
    helps team Cheeto sleep at night, enjoy it. But it was absolutely not a
    joke back in the day.

    It was, except for the most gullible. This is scientific fact.

    I'd concede it's hugely symbolic now though: expensive, incomplete,
    poorly thought out, a total waste of taxpayer dollars, got Bannon thrown
    in jail for grifting, and never kept one single immigrant out.

    It's a symbol now for sure.


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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Oct 29 21:02:28 2024
    On 2024-10-29, D <[email protected]> wrote:
    Ha ha ha, beautiful revisionist history, so typical. If that's what
    helps team Cheeto sleep at night, enjoy it. But it was absolutely
    not a joke back in the day.

    It was, except for the most gullible. This is scientific fact.

    Fact: you can make anything true by putting "Fact:" in front of it.
    This is, in fact, a scientifically proven fact. Try it yourself! Works
    every time!

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Oct 29 21:10:45 2024
    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 21:50:51 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    trickle-down

    This barn yard manure has been suggested since 1800s to my awareness.

    If you give the oxen more grain, the sparrows will profit too...was
    the rhetoric years ago.

    With trickle-up, those oxen who innovate will reap more grain. But
    when feeding all oxen, most will just get fatter without innovation.

    I'm not opposed to tax incentives aimed at motivated oxen, who must
    move their legs to earn a tax incentive. Feeding all oxen is welfare.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Retrograde on Wed Oct 30 10:32:42 2024
    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024, Retrograde wrote:

    On 2024-10-29, D <[email protected]> wrote:
    Ha ha ha, beautiful revisionist history, so typical. If that's what
    helps team Cheeto sleep at night, enjoy it. But it was absolutely
    not a joke back in the day.

    It was, except for the most gullible. This is scientific fact.

    Fact: you can make anything true by putting "Fact:" in front of it.
    This is, in fact, a scientifically proven fact. Try it yourself! Works
    every time!


    No, my fact was the fact. You cannot steal my technique! This is a fact!

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 30 13:06:54 2024
    Sn!pe wrote:

    D <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024, Retrograde wrote:

    Fact: you can make anything true by putting "Fact:" in
    front of it. This is, in fact, a scientifically proven
    fact. Try it yourself! Works every time!

    No, my fact was the fact. You cannot steal my technique!
    This is a fact!

    The fact is, your fact is factually inaccurate and that's a
    fact.

    Have you never heard of alternative facts?! ;-)

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 30 14:21:26 2024
    Fact: you can make anything true by putting "Fact:" in
    front of it. This is, in fact, a scientifically proven
    fact. Try it yourself! Works every time!
    No, my fact was the fact. You cannot steal my technique!
    This is a fact!
    The fact is, your fact is factually inaccurate and that's a
    fact.
    Have you never heard of alternative facts?! ;-)

    Fact: this is currently the best thread of 2024.

    Well done, lads.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Retrograde on Wed Oct 30 18:42:02 2024
    On Wed, 30 Oct 2024, Retrograde wrote:

    Fact: you can make anything true by putting "Fact:" in
    front of it. This is, in fact, a scientifically proven
    fact. Try it yourself! Works every time!
    No, my fact was the fact. You cannot steal my technique!
    This is a fact!
    The fact is, your fact is factually inaccurate and that's a
    fact.
    Have you never heard of alternative facts?! ;-)

    Fact: this is currently the best thread of 2024.

    Well done, lads.


    Thank you, happy to be of service! And that's a fact and scientifically
    proven!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 30 18:40:46 2024
    On Wed, 30 Oct 2024, Sn!pe wrote:

    D <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024, Retrograde wrote:

    On 2024-10-29, D <[email protected]> wrote:
    Ha ha ha, beautiful revisionist history, so typical. If that's what >>>>> helps team Cheeto sleep at night, enjoy it. But it was absolutely
    not a joke back in the day.

    It was, except for the most gullible. This is scientific fact.


    Fact: you can make anything true by putting "Fact:" in front of it.
    This is, in fact, a scientifically proven fact. Try it yourself! Works
    every time!


    No, my fact was the fact. You cannot steal my technique! This is a fact!


    The fact is, your fact is factually inaccurate and that's a fact.

    No, that's counterfactual, and that is a fact! I win!

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