• Re: Are male voters reluctant to vote for a woman?

    From D@21:1/5 to Auric Hellman on Sat Oct 12 22:45:24 2024
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    WASHINGTON (AP) — The concern has been there all along, but now it’s being
    talked about openly: Are some men reluctant to vote for Democrat Kamala Harris because she’s a woman?

    The vice president rarely references her gender on the campaign trail, but her key supporters are starting to make more direct appeals to male voters, hoping to overcome ingrained sexism — or just plain apathy — as Election Day
    looms.

    Former President Barack Obama said he was speaking to Black men in particular when he suggested some “aren’t feeling the idea of having a woman as president.” Actor Ed O’Neill implores in a new ad, “Be a man: Vote for a
    woman.” And Harris’ running mate, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, is helping lead “
    Hombres con Harris ” — “Men with Harris” — to help energize Hispanic male
    voters.

    “I think, in many ways, it’s other people who need to be the messenger,” said
    Debbie Walsh, director of the Center for American Women in Politics at Rutgers University. She added of appeals to men by the vice president, “I don’t think she can get up and say, ”Shame on you.”’

    “It’s sad, but I think she needs these outside validators,” Walsh said.

    <CONTINUE READING>

    https://apnews.com/article/harris-male-voters-sexism-trump-support-obama-bcf8dbcce4700ba24725ca178f7753b0



    It is difficult to change the mind-set of a man when he is convinced that a woman is incapable of doing a job as well as a man. This is not limited to Black people

    There are biological differences between women and men, which make men
    better candidates for highly competitive leadership roles. That is why I
    would always tend to favor a man over a woman in these types of roles. Especially roles where lots of violence or threats of violence is called for, which
    is, after all, the essence of the government.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Oct 12 21:23:37 2024
    On Sat, 12 Oct 2024 22:45:24 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    There are biological differences between women and men, which make men
    better candidates for highly competitive leadership roles

    These women lead Fortune 500 companies

    Mary Barra
    CEO, General Motors (GM)

    Carol Tome
    CEO, United Parcel Service (UPS)

    Jane Fraser
    CEO, Citigroup

    more at cite
    https://www.investopedia.com/news/top-women-ceos/

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Oct 12 21:42:11 2024
    On Sat, 12 Oct 2024 15:39:03 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    It is difficult to change the mind-set of a man when he is convinced
    that a woman is incapable of doing a job as well as a man. This is not >limited to Black people

    People on a higher mental plane would evaluate differently.

    IIRC, many POTUS candidates have been lawyers. Those with reasoning
    skills would be more suited, but partisan "thinking" is afoot.

    Why anyone would vote for a senior who has too many senior moments,
    and lacks wisdom moments, is beyond me.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sun Oct 13 11:42:41 2024
    On Sat, 12 Oct 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Sat, 12 Oct 2024 22:45:24 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    There are biological differences between women and men, which make men
    better candidates for highly competitive leadership roles

    These women lead Fortune 500 companies

    Mary Barra
    CEO, General Motors (GM)

    Carol Tome
    CEO, United Parcel Service (UPS)

    Jane Fraser
    CEO, Citigroup

    more at cite
    https://www.investopedia.com/news/top-women-ceos/


    Out of how many? ;) I think that proves my point. Shall we have a look at generals? Presidents? Men are by nature less emotional and more prone to
    do what ever it takes to reach their goal.

    Women are more caring, which is not an asset in a fight. They also have
    babies which is also not an asset if you want to reach the top.

    Therefore, by nature, men are better suited for these positions.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Oct 13 07:53:40 2024
    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 11:42:41 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Out of how many? ;) I think that proves my point. Shall we have a look at >generals? Presidents? Men are by nature less emotional and more prone to
    do what ever it takes to reach their goal.

    Women are more caring, which is not an asset in a fight.

    Stereotypes do not apply to independent male/female thinkers.

    List of elected and appointed female heads of state and government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_and_appointed_female_heads_of_state_and_government

    Margaret Thatcher, Angela Merkel, Indira Gandhi, et.al., would not
    accept your viewpoint

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sun Oct 13 22:21:40 2024
    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 11:42:41 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Out of how many? ;) I think that proves my point. Shall we have a look at
    generals? Presidents? Men are by nature less emotional and more prone to
    do what ever it takes to reach their goal.

    Women are more caring, which is not an asset in a fight.

    Stereotypes do not apply to independent male/female thinkers.

    List of elected and appointed female heads of state and government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_and_appointed_female_heads_of_state_and_government

    Margaret Thatcher, Angela Merkel, Indira Gandhi, et.al., would not
    accept your viewpoint


    Those are a few, now compared that with the nr of male leaders
    historically, and you'll see that they are very, very few. Merkel was a
    total disaster and we have her to thank for Russias current war in
    Ukraine, so that proves what happens when a woman leads.

    There is a reason why Putin fears Trump and laughs at Merkel.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Oct 13 22:13:19 2024
    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 22:21:40 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Those are a few, now compared that with the nr of male leaders
    historically

    Historically in US, females were mostly domestics until sometime after
    WWII. Males were the breadwinners, and females staid home, to tend to
    the children, meals, etc.

    Also, when females did work, they were paid low wages.

    Merkel was a total disaster

    Unknown, but I suspect business interest had their fingers involved.

    It works that way in the US....

    Putin fears Trump

    Bullshit....

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon Oct 14 11:23:19 2024
    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 22:21:40 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Those are a few, now compared that with the nr of male leaders
    historically

    Historically in US, females were mostly domestics until sometime after
    WWII. Males were the breadwinners, and females staid home, to tend to
    the children, meals, etc.

    Also, when females did work, they were paid low wages.

    Merkel was a total disaster

    Unknown, but I suspect business interest had their fingers involved.

    It works that way in the US....

    Putin fears Trump

    Bullshit....


    Why do you say this? I mean, Trump has six pack abs, do I need to say
    more?

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Oct 14 09:56:15 2024
    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 13:47:08 +0100, [email protected] (Sn!pe) wrote:

    Merkel grew up in East Germany before reunification.
    It is hardly surprising that she was kindly disposed towards Russia,
    even to the extent of making Germany almost totally dependent on
    Russia for its energy.

    Uh, she was not involved....in beginning days.


    On Sunday 1 February 1970, senior politicians and gas executives from
    Germany and the Soviet Union gathered at the upmarket Hotel Kaiserhof
    in Essen. They were there to celebrate the signing of a contract for
    the first major Russia-Germany gas pipeline, which was to run from
    Siberia to the West German border at Marktredwitz in Bavaria.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/02/germany-dependence-russian-energy-gas-oil-nord-stream

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Oct 14 09:52:06 2024
    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 11:23:19 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Putin fears Trump

    Bullshit....


    Why do you say this?

    Putin bromance has US intelligence officials fearing second Trump term

    Ex-president's support for the Russian strongman has experts fretting
    over American interests and security sources overseas

    Donald Trump's continuing lavish praise and support for Vladimir Putin
    are fueling alarm among former intelligence officials and other
    experts who fear another Trump presidency would benefit Moscow and
    harm American democracy and interests overseas.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/18/us-intelligence-trump-putin-threat

    "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the
    Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my
    Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United
    States."

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Oct 14 11:15:58 2024
    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 11:23:19 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Why do you say this?

    Trump is in deep financial waters, and would cut a deal with Putin to
    end US support for Ukraine. Putin holds the purse strings...not
    Trump.

    Trump and family have enriched themselves when Trump was POTUS

    --------------------------------------------------
    Same MO...with no morals

    During a call on Jan. 2, 2021, former President Trump asked Georgia
    Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) to help him "find 11,780
    votes" and overturn the state's 2020 election results in his favor.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/08/15/trump-georgia-election-interference-call

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon Oct 14 21:44:35 2024
    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 11:23:19 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Putin fears Trump

    Bullshit....


    Why do you say this?

    Putin bromance has US intelligence officials fearing second Trump term

    Ex-president's support for the Russian strongman has experts fretting
    over American interests and security sources overseas

    Donald Trump's continuing lavish praise and support for Vladimir Putin
    are fueling alarm among former intelligence officials and other
    experts who fear another Trump presidency would benefit Moscow and
    harm American democracy and interests overseas.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/18/us-intelligence-trump-putin-threat

    "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the
    Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my
    Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United
    States."


    Ahh... no, you cannot read the socialist rag the guardian. If that is why
    you say this, there is nothing to worry about. If the same article would
    appear in the forum of truth and love, fox news, then we should perhaps
    look into it.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 14 21:43:43 2024
    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, Sn!pe wrote:

    D <[email protected]> wrote:

    [...]

    List of elected and appointed female heads of state and government
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_and_appointed_female_heads_of_state_and_government>

    Margaret Thatcher, Angela Merkel, Indira Gandhi, et.al., would not
    accept your viewpoint


    Those are a few, now compared that with the nr of male leaders
    historically, and you'll see that they are very, very few. Merkel was a
    total disaster and we have her to thank for Russias current war in
    Ukraine, so that proves what happens when a woman leads.

    There is a reason why Putin fears Trump and laughs at Merkel.


    Remember that Merkel grew up in East Germany before reunification.
    It is hardly surprising that she was kindly disposed towards Russia,
    even to the extent of making Germany almost totally dependent on
    Russia for its energy. As a result, Germany cannot be relied on to
    stand up to bully-boy Putin. Was she a fifth-columnist? You decide.


    Wouldn't surprise me at all.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon Oct 14 21:47:37 2024
    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 11:23:19 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Why do you say this?

    Trump is in deep financial waters, and would cut a deal with Putin to
    end US support for Ukraine. Putin holds the purse strings...not
    Trump.

    Trump and family have enriched themselves when Trump was POTUS

    --------------------------------------------------
    Same MO...with no morals

    During a call on Jan. 2, 2021, former President Trump asked Georgia
    Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) to help him "find 11,780
    votes" and overturn the state's 2020 election results in his favor.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/08/15/trump-georgia-election-interference-call


    This is incorrect. Trump is a successful business man, and a billionaire, therefore he is impossible to bribe.

    On the other side, you can have a look at the democrats. How many were millionaires before their political careers, and how many were
    millionaires during and after their careers.

    There you go! ;)

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Oct 14 17:35:04 2024
    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:47:37 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    On the other side, you can have a look at the democrats.

    Oh, they are the same as us logic...since it makes no difference, then
    man-up and vote for the Democrats...

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Oct 14 17:30:27 2024
    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:47:37 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:


    This is incorrect. Trump is a successful business man

    Fact Check: Has Trump declared bankruptcy four or six times?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-first-presidential-debate/fact-check-has-trump-declared-bankruptcy-four-or-six-times/

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Oct 14 17:40:15 2024
    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:04:09 +0100, [email protected] (Sn!pe) wrote:

    Who was Chancellor when the decision to shut down German
    nuclear power generation was taken on 30 June 2011?


    A coalition government formed after the 1998 federal elections had the
    phasing out of nuclear energy as a feature of its policy. With a new
    government in 2009, the phase-out was cancelled, but then reintroduced
    in 2011. Eight reactors were shut down immediately, and all were
    scheduled to close by the end of 2022.

    https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-g-n/germany

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Tue Oct 15 10:22:45 2024
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    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:47:37 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:


    This is incorrect. Trump is a successful business man

    Fact Check: Has Trump declared bankruptcy four or six times?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-first-presidential-debate/fact-check-has-trump-declared-bankruptcy-four-or-six-times/


    Ahh, but let me counter!

    In June 2024, the Bloomberg Billionaires Index put Trump�s net worth at
    $7.7 billion, up by $4.6 billion since the year prior, making him one of
    the 500 richest people in the world.

    https://www.investopedia.com/updates/donald-trump-net-worth/

    Therefore we can learn than any potential bankruptcy dealings was
    business strategy and ended up with him having 7.7 billion dollars. I
    think that is pretty well done for being "bankrupt". =)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Tue Oct 15 10:23:24 2024
    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:47:37 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    On the other side, you can have a look at the democrats.

    Oh, they are the same as us logic...since it makes no difference, then
    man-up and vote for the Democrats...


    No... _you_ man-up and vote for Trump! Please! ;)

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Oct 15 05:49:02 2024
    On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 10:22:45 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Ahh, but let me counter!

    Trump did not attend Thursday's oral argument, but his lawyers are
    seeking to overturn the judgment levied by state Judge Arthur Engoron
    in February, who found that Trump, his sons Donald Trump Jr. and Eric
    Trump, and his business liable for fraud, as well as issuing false
    financial statements and false business records.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/26/politics/trump-454-million-civil-fraud-new-york-appeal/index.html

    Therefore we can learn than any potential bankruptcy dealings was
    business strategy

    Oh, Trump deep-sixed the Taj Mahal

    Btw, bankruptcy is a consumer or business strategy when the money
    pooch has been screwed.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to JAB on Tue Oct 15 14:22:15 2024
    JAB wrote:

    On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 10:22:45 +0200, D <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Therefore we can learn than any potential bankruptcy
    dealings was business strategy

    Oh, Trump deep-sixed the Taj Mahal

    Btw, bankruptcy is a consumer or business strategy when the
    money pooch has been screwed.

    I know, or knew, a businessman who claimed bankruptcy, it went
    through the courts and everything... yet he still had more money
    afterwards than I'll ever earn in my life. He'd squirrelled his
    money away in the years before the "bankruptcy".

    For rich crooks bankruptcy is just another way of legally not
    paying people the money they're owed. It's a swindle!

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Oct 15 13:01:02 2024
    On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 14:22:15 +0100, "Blueshirt"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    For rich crooks bankruptcy is just another way of legally not
    paying people the money they're owed. It's a swindle!

    Trump was swindling others before/during/after bankruptcy.

    ========================================

    Why bankruptcy of the rich and famous is nothing like yours
    September 28, 2015
    ...
    ...
    "Chapter 11 is a financial reorganization for people like 50 Cent,"
    says Eric Klein, a bankruptcy lawyer practicing in the high rent
    district of Boca Raton, Florida. The rap star (born Curtis Jackson)
    was worth an estimated $140 million in 2014, but filed for bankruptcy
    this year. "He has an $18 million home and is under contract to pay
    the big mortgage," says Klein, explaining that people are placed on a
    repayment plan where secured creditors get paid first, and the rest
    fall in line according to priority.

    True, there is often is a liquidation of assets, which translates into downsizing, but once the schedule is in place the person's standard of
    living can rebound.

    This is not to imply that people who file any kind of bankruptcy, even
    Chapter 11, don't feel pain, stresses Klein. "It's all relative. A
    rapper making $25 million with an entourage and drinking Cristal is
    feeling the pressure, too."

    https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/why-bankruptcy-rich-and-famous-nothing-yours-2015-09-28

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Tue Oct 15 22:10:46 2024
    On Tue, 15 Oct 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 10:22:45 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Ahh, but let me counter!

    Trump did not attend Thursday's oral argument, but his lawyers are
    seeking to overturn the judgment levied by state Judge Arthur Engoron
    in February, who found that Trump, his sons Donald Trump Jr. and Eric
    Trump, and his business liable for fraud, as well as issuing false
    financial statements and false business records.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/26/politics/trump-454-million-civil-fraud-new-york-appeal/index.html

    Therefore we can learn than any potential bankruptcy dealings was
    business strategy

    Oh, Trump deep-sixed the Taj Mahal

    Btw, bankruptcy is a consumer or business strategy when the money
    pooch has been screwed.


    That's nothing... just wait until the anal argument starts, then you'll
    see something!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Tue Oct 15 22:12:27 2024
    On Tue, 15 Oct 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    JAB wrote:

    On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 10:22:45 +0200, D <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Therefore we can learn than any potential bankruptcy
    dealings was business strategy

    Oh, Trump deep-sixed the Taj Mahal

    Btw, bankruptcy is a consumer or business strategy when the
    money pooch has been screwed.

    I know, or knew, a businessman who claimed bankruptcy, it went
    through the courts and everything... yet he still had more money
    afterwards than I'll ever earn in my life. He'd squirrelled his
    money away in the years before the "bankruptcy".

    For rich crooks bankruptcy is just another way of legally not
    paying people the money they're owed. It's a swindle!


    Of course. That's my point with Trumps bankruptcy, it's just business
    strategy and has nothing to do with his actual wealth.

    As we all know, the law and justice are for politicians, corporations and
    the rich.

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