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    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 8 21:03:21 2024
    Brazil lifts ban on Musk's X after it pays $5m fine

    Brazil's Supreme Court has said it is lifting a ban on the social
    media platform X, formerly known as Twitter.

    In his decision, Justice Alexandre de Moraes said that he authorised
    the "immediate return" of X's activities in the country after it paid
    hefty fines and blocked accounts accused of spreading misinformation.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y06vzk3yjo

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Oct 9 11:01:24 2024
    On Tue, 8 Oct 2024, JAB wrote:

    Brazil lifts ban on Musk's X after it pays $5m fine

    Brazil's Supreme Court has said it is lifting a ban on the social
    media platform X, formerly known as Twitter.

    In his decision, Justice Alexandre de Moraes said that he authorised
    the "immediate return" of X's activities in the country after it paid
    hefty fines and blocked accounts accused of spreading misinformation.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y06vzk3yjo


    I wonder if he will reclaim the fine with some good, old fashioned
    creative accounting? I received a fine once of 200 EUR, and I did creative accounting and reclaimed 1500 EUR from the government as a matter of
    principle. So the fine led to a 1300 EUR loss for the government which
    pleased me enormously! =D

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  • From Danart@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 9 23:50:09 2024
    JAB wrote:
    Brazil lifts ban on Musk's X after it pays $5m fine

    Brazil's Supreme Court has said it is lifting a ban on the social
    media platform X, formerly known as Twitter.

    In his decision, Justice Alexandre de Moraes said that he
    authorised
    the "immediate return" of X's activities in the country
    after it paid
    hefty fines and blocked accounts accused of spreading
    misinformation.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y06vzk3yjo

    That is
    stupid.

    I mean how do we know. Besides people could have bypass the government
    block by using 8.8.8.8 DNS or whatver

    What a waste of time.

    Fired people for nothing at all.


    This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=675673708#675673708

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Danart on Wed Oct 9 20:44:53 2024
    On Wed, 09 Oct 2024 23:50:09 +0000,
    [email protected]d (Danart) wrote:

    Besides people could have bypass the government
    block


    Fact Check: Brazilians can be fined for using VPN to access X

    Brazilians using VPN to access Elon Musk's social media platform X
    following a ban on the platform in the country can be fined, as of
    Sept. 6, contrary to posts online suggesting a Supreme Court order
    imposing the fine was rolled back.

    Brazils telecommunication regulator took down X on Aug. 30 after the
    platform failed to name a legal representative in Brazil and ignored a
    deadline to comply with court orders. Supreme Court Justice Alexandre
    de Moraes ordered that people accessing X using VPNs can be fined up
    to 50,000 reais ($8,943.74) per day.

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/brazilians-can-be-fined-using-vpn-access-x-2024-09-06/

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Oct 9 20:44:35 2024
    On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 16:35:25 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    He'll recoup his loss with some sort of tax break.

    In the US:

    "Fines and penalties a person owes to the government for violating
    local, state, and federal laws are never deductible. The IRS typically
    sends a notice to a person after a tax audit and assesses both
    penalties and interest on any unpaid amounts."

    https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/102915/are-irs-penalties-tax-deductible.asp

    Unknown when another country fines a US company...

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Auric Hellman on Thu Oct 10 11:00:32 2024
    On Wed, 9 Oct 2024, Auric Hellman wrote:

    On 10/9/2024 5:01 AM, D wrote:


    On Tue, 8 Oct 2024, JAB wrote:

    Brazil lifts ban on Musk's X after it pays $5m fine

    Brazil's Supreme Court has said it is lifting a ban on the social
    media platform X, formerly known as Twitter.

    In his decision, Justice Alexandre de Moraes said that he authorised
    the "immediate return" of X's activities in the country after it paid
    hefty fines and blocked accounts accused of spreading misinformation.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y06vzk3yjo


    I wonder if he will reclaim the fine with some good, old fashioned creative >> accounting? I received a fine once of 200 EUR, and I did creative
    accounting and reclaimed 1500 EUR from the government as a matter of
    principle. So the fine led to a 1300 EUR loss for the government which
    pleased me enormously! =D


    People in Musk's financial stratosphere don't suffer losses, despite anything you may read to the contrary in the Wall Street Journal. He'll recoup his loss with some sort of tax break. After all, $5m is $5m.


    I agree. That would seem to be the logical and obvious path of events to
    me.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Thu Oct 10 11:03:43 2024
    On Wed, 9 Oct 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Wed, 09 Oct 2024 23:50:09 +0000,
    [email protected]d (Danart) wrote:

    Besides people could have bypass the government
    block


    Fact Check: Brazilians can be fined for using VPN to access X

    Brazilians using VPN to access Elon Musk's social media platform X
    following a ban on the platform in the country can be fined, as of
    Sept. 6, contrary to posts online suggesting a Supreme Court order
    imposing the fine was rolled back.

    Brazils telecommunication regulator took down X on Aug. 30 after the
    platform failed to name a legal representative in Brazil and ignored a deadline to comply with court orders. Supreme Court Justice Alexandre
    de Moraes ordered that people accessing X using VPNs can be fined up
    to 50,000 reais ($8,943.74) per day.

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/brazilians-can-be-fined-using-vpn-access-x-2024-09-06/


    I think this is largely nonsense. Brazil does not have the capability nor
    the resources to track its users usage of foreign VPN services, so the
    people that do want to use twitter can do so without too much trouble.

    My opinion is that the main idea behind the law is lawfare to hunt down political opponents. Let's say they do, capture the phone and then find
    out they have VPN software, they can add yet another fine or sentence to
    the list.

    This is very typical in authoritarian countries. Weird laws that just
    exist in order for the government to be able to hang the opposition at
    will.

    Brazil is slowly but surely aligning themselves beautifully with russia,
    iran, china, south africa and the other powers of darkness.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Oct 10 07:44:27 2024
    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 11:03:43 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    I think this is largely nonsense.

    "Nonsense" laws have been around a long time in many countries.

    Brazil is slowly but surely aligning them

    Those in the higher echelons of government like the perks, and will
    oppose a change.

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