• The Elite College Students Who Can't Read Books

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 4 10:35:42 2024
    The Elite College Students Who Can't Read Books

    Nicholas Dames has taught Literature Humanities, Columbia University's
    required great-books course, since 1998. He loves the job, but it has
    changed. Over the past decade, students have become overwhelmed by the
    reading. College kids have never read everything they're assigned, of
    course, but this feels different. Dames's students now seem bewildered
    by the thought of finishing multiple books a semester. His colleagues
    have noticed the same problem. Many students no longer arrive at
    college--even at highly selective, elite colleges--prepared to read
    books

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/11/the-elite-college-students-who-cant-read-books/679945/

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Oct 5 06:36:13 2024
    On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 23:55:01 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    "Why bother learning something when Siri can
    learn it for me?". I don't foresee that attitude changing
    anytime soon.

    I'd like to know if 1,000 freshly graduated university students could
    read a highway map, and drive to points A, B, C, and D?

    With a GoPro monitoring them along these paths, of course.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Oct 6 12:12:02 2024
    On Sun, 6 Oct 2024 00:24:42 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    without benefit of GPS

    Make it harder, with a 1950s roadmap

    When looking at a state map, with lots of state highways, this tests a
    person's skills.

    With the Interstates laced over a map, this may make a big difference
    in viewing.

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  • From Eli the Bearded@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Oct 6 20:45:08 2024
    In misc.news.internet.discuss, JAB <[email protected]d> wrote:
    The Elite College Students Who Can't Read Books

    Nicholas Dames has taught Literature Humanities, Columbia University's required great-books course, since 1998. He loves the job, but it has changed. Over the past decade, students have become overwhelmed by the reading. College kids have never read everything they're assigned, of
    course, but this feels different. Dames's students now seem bewildered
    by the thought of finishing multiple books a semester. His colleagues
    have noticed the same problem. Many students no longer arrive at college--even at highly selective, elite colleges--prepared to read
    books

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/11/the-elite-college-students-who-cant-read-books/679945/

    1955, Time Magazine, "Why Johnny Can't Read" (book review).

    https://time.com/archive/6609444/education-why-johnny-cant-read/

    Elijah
    ------
    kids were so much better a previous generation, right?

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to *@eli.users.panix.com on Sun Oct 6 18:51:17 2024
    On Sun, 6 Oct 2024 20:45:08 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

    kids were so much better a previous generation, right?

    I've not seen the stats in regards to trends for high schoolers and
    university bound students, as a function of time..

    Elite College Students

    Upto a high school education, most all students are on the "conveyor
    belt" and graduate. But, at an elite college, I would like to think
    their entrance exams weed out the inferior ones.

    I believe your cited article was touching base with high schoolers,
    and below.

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  • From Mike Spencer@21:1/5 to Eli the Bearded on Mon Oct 7 02:37:26 2024
    Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> writes:

    In misc.news.internet.discuss, JAB <[email protected]d> wrote:
    The Elite College Students Who Can't Read Books

    Nicholas Dames has taught Literature Humanities, Columbia University's
    required great-books course, since 1998. He loves the job, but it has
    changed. Over the past decade, students have become overwhelmed by the
    reading. College kids have never read everything they're assigned, of
    course, but this feels different. Dames's students now seem bewildered
    by the thought of finishing multiple books a semester. His colleagues
    have noticed the same problem. Many students no longer arrive at
    college--even at highly selective, elite colleges--prepared to read
    books

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/11/the-elite-college-students-who-cant-read-books/679945/

    1955, Time Magazine, "Why Johnny Can't Read" (book review).

    https://time.com/archive/6609444/education-why-johnny-cant-read/

    Look/Say method. Stupid.

    Elijah
    ------
    kids were so much better a previous generation, right?

    I think my narrow tranche of contemporaries -- Desperados, in between
    Beats and Hippies, between the war-time generation and the boomers --
    grew up on a cusp of seismic changes in education.

    Several of my high school teachers were older than conventional
    retirement age. The chemistry teacher, in his 70s, had taught Greek
    until the school dropped it a decade before I arrived. My senior year
    English teacher was 80 that year had taught there ever since getting
    his PhD and had us read whole, sometimes difficult books. His elder
    brother had died the preceding year, still teaching English.

    When I got to university, the newest big building on campus was the
    education department. Presumably anticipating a the impending flood
    of baby boomers into the school systems, educators (Dissociated-press
    came up with "edualizers") and ed administrators saw a glorious
    future of growth in their domains and, prefiguring the web, just
    needed content to fill all the curricula.

    I have a notion the phenomenon now known as "physics envy" may also
    have played a part as it has in many other non-hard-science
    disciplines: "We need a body of theory, things we can count and do
    statistics on and erudite theoretical publications." I haven't
    scrutinized the subject closely but I suspect that has led to a whole generation of edualizers concerned with Education as a Thing, not with
    teaching kids in the varigated ways in which they learn and become
    engaged. That may even have been the seed, watered with certain
    French philosophers, that engendered the whole appalling Postmodernist
    thing.

    I didn't really learn to write well until middle age but was never
    far from books. I chose to read Victor Hugo's Ninety-Three (in
    English) for a 9th grade report even though I had no idea how to
    pronounce the French names nor of the politics of the time.

    A fellow artist blacksmith, 20 years my junior so 1970s schooling,
    recounted that having been assigned The Count of Monte Christo to read,
    he just couldn't get into it. So he bought the Coles Notes version but
    was still stalled. Then he hit in the comic book version, read that
    and wrote a book review that was accepted. Great guy, excellent
    craftsman, neither illiterate or dim, but somehow not entrained in the tradition of reading books.

    So it's not just Xitter, tech and cell phones.

    --
    Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Oct 7 06:48:28 2024
    On 07 Oct 2024 02:37:26 -0300, Mike Spencer
    <[email protected]e> wrote:

    So it's not just Xitter, tech and cell phones.

    But, time in the saddle is required to ride a horse....as I mentioned,
    younger ones will stumble when interpreting a road map.

    When I got to university, the newest big building on campus was the
    education department.

    Google AI Overview

    1867
    President Andrew Johnson signed legislation to create the Department
    of Education to collect information about schools and advise them. The
    National Teachers Association (now the National Education Association)
    lobbied for its creation.

    1868
    Congress demoted the Department of Education to an office within the
    Department of the Interior after a dispute over federal involvement in education.

    1939
    The agency was transferred to the Federal Security Agency and renamed
    the Office of Education.

    1953
    The Office of Education was upgraded to Cabinet status.

    1979
    President Jimmy Carter signed legislation to establish the current ED.
    The ED is now considered the smallest Cabinet-level department, with
    around 5,000 employees.

    1983
    The Reagan administration released the report "A Nation at Risk",
    which questioned whether American schools were preparing students for
    the workforce.


    Other notable events in the history of education include:

    The Northwest Ordinance of 1787 provided federal land grants to
    establish educational institutions.

    The Morrill Act of 1862 provided land grants to states to fund
    colleges that focused on agricultural and mechanical studies.

    The New Deal in the 1930s funded educational activities such as
    school construction, teacher hiring, and loans to school districts.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Oct 7 10:28:11 2024
    On 07 Oct 2024 02:37:26 -0300, Mike Spencer
    <[email protected]e> wrote:

    When I got to university, the newest big building on campus was the
    education department.

    When Sputnik 1 was launched on 4 October 1957, curricula changes were forthcoming with funding for a science based education from elementary
    level and upwards. So, the federal dollars flowed, and those selling "scientific" equipment to schools were singing "we're in the money" as
    they jacked up the prices of beakers/etc.

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    Behind a paywall

    How Sputnik's launch inspired the creation of US student-loan industry

    Blame student loans on Sputnik: How the 1957 launch of a Soviet rocket
    inspired the government to overhaul education

    https://www.businessinsider.com/sputnik-created-student-loan-debt-industry-soviet-eisenhower-education-2021-11

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