56 meter (184')

The coastguard said the yacht was built by the Italian shipbuilder
Perini in 2008. The luxury vessel has an aluminium hull, can reach a
maximum speed of 15 knots and can carry 12 guests and a crew of up to
10, according to online specialist yacht sites.
...
...
Reports in local media said that a waterspout had hit the vessel. A
waterspout, which roughly resembles a mini-tornado, is a column that
descends from a cloud to form a rotating mixture of wind and water
over a body of water.

Some fishers reported spotting a small tornado off the coast at about
3:55am. Shortly after, they witnessed a distress flare allegedly
launched from the vessel. The fishers approached but recounted seeing
only "scattered remains of the sailboat floating in the water".

Storms and heavy rainfall have swept through Italy in recent days,
with floods and landslides causing major damage in the north of the
country after weeks of scorching heat.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/19/yacht-sinks-off-sicily-in-storm

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On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 10:29:34 -0500, JAB <[email protected]d> wrote:

56 meter (184')

The British-flagged yacht, called the "Bayesian," was anchored about a
half a mile from the port of Porticello, on Sicily's northern coast.
The vessel sank after its mast broke in half in the storm,

The yacht's mast stood 72.27 meters (237 feet) high above the
designated water line, just short of the world's tallest mast which is
75.2 meters, according to Guinness World Records. It was the tallest
aluminium mast in the world, the Perini Navi website said.
...
...
Bacares told Italian daily newspaper La Repubblica that she woke up at
4 a.m. local time, as the boat tilted.
...
...
"We got this strong hurricane gust and we had to start the engine to
keep the ship in an angled position," Karsten Bower told reporters in
Palermo on Monday. "After the storm was over, we noticed that the ship
behind us was gone."

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/20/europe/bayesian-yacht-what-we-know-intl/index.html

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On Tue, 20 Aug 2024, JAB wrote:

On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 10:29:34 -0500, JAB <[email protected]d> wrote:

56 meter (184')

The British-flagged yacht, called the "Bayesian," was anchored about a
half a mile from the port of Porticello, on Sicily's northern coast.
The vessel sank after its mast broke in half in the storm,

The yacht's mast stood 72.27 meters (237 feet) high above the
designated water line, just short of the world's tallest mast which is
75.2 meters, according to Guinness World Records. It was the tallest aluminium mast in the world, the Perini Navi website said.
...
...
Bacares told Italian daily newspaper La Repubblica that she woke up at
4 a.m. local time, as the boat tilted.
...
...
"We got this strong hurricane gust and we had to start the engine to
keep the ship in an angled position," Karsten Bower told reporters in
Palermo on Monday. "After the storm was over, we noticed that the ship
behind us was gone."

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/20/europe/bayesian-yacht-what-we-know-intl/index.html

Very sad. Only 300 meters from the coast. I think I read that they were
all probably sleeping and that the strong winds came suddenly out of
nowhere.

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On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 09:11:43 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

all probably sleeping and that the strong winds came suddenly out of
nowhere.

This yacht rented for some $225,000.00/week US, and I assume had its
staffing onboard then.

I'm not aware if a staff member was awake then, but these factors may
be related to this accident:

1. On another yacht, "we had to start the engine to keep the ship in
an angled position," (unknown if Bayesian's engine was active) and

2. the yacht's mast broke, and it stood "72.27 meters (237 feet)
high above the designated water line."

In a storm any ship should be in an angled position with respect to
the incoming waves.

I suspect when the mast broke, this event may have busted the yacht.

I'm sure structural engineers will be evaluating this accident.

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On Wed, 21 Aug 2024, JAB wrote:

On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 09:11:43 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

all probably sleeping and that the strong winds came suddenly out of
nowhere.

This yacht rented for some $225,000.00/week US, and I assume had its
staffing onboard then.

I'm not aware if a staff member was awake then, but these factors may
be related to this accident:

1. On another yacht, "we had to start the engine to keep the ship in
an angled position," (unknown if Bayesian's engine was active) and

2. the yacht's mast broke, and it stood "72.27 meters (237 feet)
high above the designated water line."

In a storm any ship should be in an angled position with respect to
the incoming waves.

I suspect when the mast broke, this event may have busted the yacht.

I'm sure structural engineers will be evaluating this accident.

Very interesting! Thank you very much for the additional information.

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On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 16:59:46 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

Very interesting!

Very likely the yacht maker has a good idea what happened. For sure,
if the keel was not lowered, this would have caused excessive
oscillations. Sooner or later, there will be an official report. =================================

Yacht maker says 'indescribable' crew errors led to fatal Sicily
shipwreck
...
...
Costantino ruled out design or construction flaws as reasons the ship
sank, saying it was unlikely after 16 years of trouble-free
navigation, including in more severe weather than Bayesian encountered
this week.

Instead, he blamed the yacht's crew for the "incredible mistake" of
not being prepared for the storm, which was included in shipping
forecasts.

"This is the mistake that cries out for vengeance," Costantino said.

The passengers should have been called out of their cabins and
assembled at a safety point as the ship was preparing for the storm by
pulling up the anchor, the CEO said. Additionally, doors and hatches
should have been closed, and the keel should have been lowered to
increase stability, among other safety measures, Costantino declared.

Had correct procedures been followed, all passengers would have gone
back to sleep after one hour, "and the next morning they would have
happily resumed their wonderful cruise," Costantino added.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/yacht-maker-indescribable-crew-errors-fatal-sicily-shipwreck

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On Thu, 22 Aug 2024, JAB wrote:

On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 16:59:46 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

Very interesting!

Very likely the yacht maker has a good idea what happened. For sure,
if the keel was not lowered, this would have caused excessive
oscillations. Sooner or later, there will be an official report. =================================

Yacht maker says 'indescribable' crew errors led to fatal Sicily
shipwreck
...
...
Costantino ruled out design or construction flaws as reasons the ship
sank, saying it was unlikely after 16 years of trouble-free
navigation, including in more severe weather than Bayesian encountered
this week.

Instead, he blamed the yacht's crew for the "incredible mistake" of
not being prepared for the storm, which was included in shipping
forecasts.

"This is the mistake that cries out for vengeance," Costantino said.

The passengers should have been called out of their cabins and
assembled at a safety point as the ship was preparing for the storm by pulling up the anchor, the CEO said. Additionally, doors and hatches
should have been closed, and the keel should have been lowered to
increase stability, among other safety measures, Costantino declared.

Had correct procedures been followed, all passengers would have gone
back to sleep after one hour, "and the next morning they would have
happily resumed their wonderful cruise," Costantino added.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/yacht-maker-indescribable-crew-errors-fatal-sicily-shipwreck

It does sounds reasonable. But I guess it will be possible to tell after inspecting the wreck.

"This is the mistake that cries out for vengeance," Costantino said.

I think that is a childish way of looking at it. I can understand it in
the case of murder or intentional crime. This sounds like a tragic
accident.

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On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 12:12:35 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

"This is the mistake that cries out for vengeance," Costantino said.

I think that is a childish way of looking at it. I can understand it in
the case of murder or intentional crime. This sounds like a tragic
accident.

That yacht had a captain/crew onboard, and the yacht maker suggested,
the "shipping forecasts" were not heeded.

Blue water sailors I'm aware of examine weather forecasts daily, and
there are insurance companies that have (1) storm exclusions for
specific locations/areas at a given date range, and (2) require a
specific level of training. For that yacht, I would assume a licensed
captain would be required.

Being a licensed captain, more than a 12 hour weather coursework
would be required.

MARINE WEATHER BASICS - This 12-hour course combines lecture and
hands-on activities designed to familiarize boaters with the basic
principles of marine weather and how to use information at hand to
make safe boating decisions in local waters. Students will work with
case studies and exercises throughout the class. https://www.annapolisschoolofseamanship.com/weather

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On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 12:12:35 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

I can understand it in
the case of murder or intentional crime.

Italian prosecutors investigate potential manslaughter charges over
sinking as final body reportedly retrieved
...
...
The public prosecutor of Termini Imerese is investigating charges of
shipwreck, disaster and multiple homicides over the sinking, according
to the Italian news agency Adnkronos.

These are similar to manslaughter charges in the UK and the specific
charge of provoking or causing a shipwreck can carry a prison sentence
of up to 12 years.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/23/mike-lynch-yacht-possibility-of-manslaughter-charges-as-final-body-retrieved-sicily

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D wrote:

It does sounds reasonable. But I guess it will be possible to
tell after inspecting the wreck.

"This is the mistake that cries out for vengeance," Costantino
said.

I think that is a childish way of looking at it. I can
understand it in the case of murder or intentional crime. This
sounds like a tragic accident.

Has everyone ruled out sabotage? If the British businessman
owner of that yacht had been Russian NOBODY AT ALL would believe
that the yacht sank in a storm!

Plus, that owner of the yacht [Mike Lynch] was recently
acquitted in a multi-billion dollar fraud trial!

No smoke without fire and all that... ;-)

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On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 20:05:43 +0100, "Blueshirt"
<[email protected]> wrote:

Has everyone ruled out sabotage?

The yacht's builder has spoken, and in his opinion, the ship's captain
screwed the pooch.

This happened around 3:30am, and weather forecasts indicated a storm
was coming. The captain should have secured the ship, and been active
during the storm.

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JAB wrote:
56 meter (184')

The coastguard said the yacht was built by the Italian shipbuilder
Perini in 2008. The luxury vessel has an aluminium hull, can reach

a

maximum speed of 15 knots and can carry 12 guests and a crew of up

to

10, according to online specialist yacht sites.
....
....
Reports in local media said that a waterspout had hit the vessel. A waterspout, which roughly resembles a mini-tornado, is a column

that

descends from a cloud to form a rotating mixture of wind and water
over a body of water.

Some fishers reported spotting a small tornado off the coast at

about

3:55am. Shortly after, they witnessed a distress flare allegedly
launched from the vessel. The fishers approached but recounted

seeing

only "scattered remains of the sailboat floating in the

water".

Storms and heavy rainfall have swept through Italy in recent days,
with floods and landslides causing major damage in the north of the
country after weeks of scorching heat.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/19/yacht-sinks-off-sicily-in-storm

Rich
people so smart

Count from Sesame Street: One Two Three.... Twenty Two people upper
class range floating in the water.... wait twenty round ah ah ah


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