• New College of Florida dumped hundreds of library books

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 15 19:52:28 2024
    Ruth Ben-Ghiat @ruthbenghiat
    Fear and hatred of books is an authoritarian malady shared by Hitler
    (burned them), Pinochet (discarded them, burned them), Mao (burned
    them), etc., and now the GOP.

    @swalker_7

    DEVELOPING: New College of Florida dumped hundreds of library books
    this afternoon.

    The school also emptied the college's Gender and Diversity Center,
    tossing hundreds of their books.

    https://x.com/ruthbenghiat/status/1824143485341143260

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  • From JAB is Dumb@21:1/5 to JAB on Thu Aug 15 23:36:31 2024
    JAB wrote:
    Ruth Ben-Ghiat @ruthbenghiat
    Fear and hatred of books is an authoritarian malady shared by Hitler
    (burned them), Pinochet (discarded them, burned them), Mao (burned
    them), etc., and now the GOP.

    @swalker_7

    DEVELOPING: New College of Florida dumped hundreds of library books
    this afternoon.

    The school also emptied the college's Gender and Diversity Center,
    tossing hundreds of their books.

    https://x.com/ruthbenghiat/status/1824143485341143260

    Small peanuts compared to what your side has been doing for decades:

    Burning the past
    January 14th, 2012
    https://blog.reaction.la/culture/burning-the-past/

    We are in the greatest era of book burning ever. Libraries
    systematically destroy their older books, without allowing staff to go
    through the books and sort out the valuable ones, the ones that would
    bring enormous prices on Amazon.com.

    This destruction allows a new past to be written, a demonized and hate
    filled past.

    Now one might suppose that this destruction is unintentional, a mere
    result of perverse incentives, though what is the incentive that compels
    people to destroy books that would bring high prices on Amazon? But that
    Google gives limited access to our past, and that books are becoming
    lefter and lefter makes this destruction suspicious. For example the disturbingly politically incorrect Hakayit Abdullah by Munshi Abdullah
    is available on google only in snippet view. Why only snippet view?
    The translation was published in 1874, which makes it well and truly out
    of copyright everywhere in the world. Google only gives full access to
    a tiny handful of past texts. One can get around this by looking up
    texts on google book search, then downloading them from the internet
    archive. Accessing our past is not criminalized, nor even particularly difficult, but it is systematically discouraged.

    This restriction is not obviously politically selective. It is more of
    a wholesale restriction on the past. Both "Froudacity", the left wing, politically correct view on decolonization by a black man affirmative
    actioned to prominence, and "The Bow of Ulysses", a eulogy and funeral
    speech for colonialism that looked back to the good old days when
    colonialists were free to be pirates and brigands, are available only in preview, though of course, one can get them from the Internet Archive.

    The author of "Froudacity" is also the originator of what we now call
    Ebonics - the idea that black speech is not inferior, not less capable
    of communicating ideas and instructions, but merely different - a
    proposal that merely has to be stated for its absurdity to be apparent,
    and merely has to be contradicted to create the most astonishing
    outrage, for to contradict it implies that blacks are, on average, not
    merely less literate but less verbal, less capable of human speech, and therefore, on average, significantly less human, speech being the
    defining human characteristic.

    "The Bow of Ulysses", on the other hand, endorses the old colonialism, nostalgically recalling the days when Britain was not an empire, but
    rather British colonialists were pirates and brigands, who robbed,
    conquered and eventually ruled, gradually making the transition from
    mobile banditry to stationary banditry without the British government
    paying much attention. In "The Bow of Ulysses" Froude condemns
    nineteenth century imperialism as unworkably left wing, and inevitably
    leading to the destruction of the British empire, and thus the ruin of
    the subjects of the British empire, all of which ensued as he envisaged,
    while the author of "Froudacity" endorsed imperialism.

    (Since I posted this, people have reported to me that they can access
    "The Bow of Ulysses" through Google, but I cannot, even when using Tor,
    or using a Singaporean proxy)

    If we read "Froudacity" and "the Bow of Ulysses", we discover the
    remarkable and surprising fact that the imperialists, the ones that
    upgraded Queen Victoria from Queen to empress, were the same bunch as
    those then and now preaching ebonics. The imperialists, those
    advocating British Empire, were the left, and the colonialists were the
    right. And the colonialists correctly predicted that if this were to
    go on, we would get the left that we now have - one of the many strange
    facts one encounters if one reads old books. Reading the works of and
    about Garnet Wolsely we find that when the British subjugated the Boers,
    this was the left conquering the right, with a view to eventually
    producing today's black ruled South Africa, which the right predicted
    would be the way that it is in fact turning out to be.

    The Google suppression of the past is not in itself directly politically biased, old left texts are not obviously privileged above old right
    texts, but it is politically biased in that the texts of the past are
    all non left by modern standards, and tend to discredit the politically
    correct version of history, so if you suppress old books on the basis of
    age without regard to their political content, you are suppressing the
    non left, since old books are mostly non left, and new books are mostly
    left.

    Kim Standley Robinson, moves from far left in 1992 to frothing at the
    mouth insane left in 1997:

    In his 1992 fiction book "Red Mars", regrettably over-idealistic environmentalists harm people who are trying to develop and settle Mars,
    harm people who are trying to make it habitable to humans.

    In his 1997 fiction book, "Antarctica", evil developers seeking to
    develop and settle Antarctica harm idealistic environmentalists

    In "Lucifer's Hammer", written in 1978 by Niven and Pournelle,
    civilization collapses, there is famine, and people start eating people
    The cannibals are not especially black, even though realistically, it is
    likely that the cannibals would be disproportionately black. The only
    guy who suggest that there might be a correlation between cannibalism
    and blackness is the horribly prejudiced ignorant hick.

    In Lucifer's hammer the authors are careful to make the proportion of
    blacks among the cannibal army exactly and precisely the same proportion
    as blacks are a percentage of the US population, nonetheless today the
    book is deemed utterly outrageous and horribly reactionary for having
    any black cannibals whatsoever. Observe that in today's collapse of civilization books, all cannibals are white.

    "Clone High" 2002-2003 is a cartoon series. It ridicules political correctness. In episode 11, "Snowflake Day; A very special holiday"
    Christmas has been banned, replaced by a silly made up festival
    "Snowflake day". Snowflake Day is celebrated in large part by telling
    everyone how hate filled and exclusionary Christmas was - which of
    course reveals that Snowflake day, not Christmas, is hate filled and exclusionary, reveals the intolerance of "tolerance". Again, I don't
    see any recent mainstream works making such criticism.

    All the clones in Clone High have foster parents instead of real
    parents. Clone JFK has two daddies, which family, consisting of a
    teenage heterosexual boy, and two male homosexuals, is presented as
    vile, disgusting, ugly, perverse, unnatural, and disturbing, ridiculing
    the political correctness of "Heather has two mommies". His two daddies display stereotypical gay behavior, which stereotypes these days would
    be deemed hateful and hurtful.

    Kage Baker's company series, for example "The Life of the World To
    Come", supposes that over the next three hundred years, political
    correctness will become ever more severe and oppressive - the background
    is "If this goes on". In 2004 it was possible for novelists to condemn political correctness as oppressive and still get published by
    mainstream publishers. No longer.

    The science fiction writer John Ringo is pretty far right, as is obvious
    in his earlier books. In "The Last Centurion" published in 2008 by a mainstream publisher, a military coup saves the US from the excesses of democracy. Like Sulla, though with considerably less bloodshed, the
    military officers then restore the old republic and resign. The book optimistically promises that this restoration, unlike Sulla's, will
    last. Could he publish that today? Let us look at what he is
    publishing today:

    In "Live Free or Die", published 2010, he tries very hard to contain his
    right wing slant, and play straight down the middle with obligatory bows
    to political correctness, piously endorsing the official line with
    amusingly transparent insincerity. Unfortunately, he committed the unpardonable sin of a few lines about stereotypical blondes.

    So, alas, the sequel ("Citadel", published 2011) has to have as its main character a counter stereotypical blonde female. In the sequel, the
    rhetoric about freedom mysteriously mutates into anticolonialist, or decolonist, rhetoric, perhaps because merely having a counter
    stereotypical blonde as main character is insufficient penance for
    making a joke about blondes.

    Writers are steadily moving left - each writer as time passes by
    produces works that are far the left of his previous works, reflecting
    what is politically acceptable at that time. The early Keith Laumer
    ridiculed democracy. The later Keith Laumer did not. In "The Governor
    of Glave", published 1963, he seems to take it for granted that everyone
    knows that democracy is a corrupt system run by people who are foolish, ignorant and evil. The planet Glave is what we would now call a
    terraformed planet. Earthlike conditions are maintained by some big high technology superscience machinery. The elite rules over their
    inferiors, but are getting tired of providing their inferiors with
    bread, circuses, and earthlike conditions. Most of the elite has left
    for a frontier world less infested with inferior welfare parasites.
    There is a democratic coup against the remaining elite. Finding
    democracy even less attractive, most of the remaining elite attempt to
    leave and/or go on Galt strike. The evil democrats refuse to let them
    leave, and force them to work under armed guard.

    The heroic Retief arranges for their escape. As they escape, we see terraforming collapsing and the planet starting to revert to its natural inhospitable condition.

    Similarly, in Keith Laumer's "The prince and pirate" 1964, the Prime
    minister and his party are vile treacherous cowardly scum. The prince
    is kingly and the pirate is bold and martial. Retief makes a deal
    between the prince and the pirate, which results in the prime minister
    being killed, something unpleasant happening to his party, and the
    prince becoming an absolute monarch.

    The nearest thing to an anti democratic novel in recent times is "The
    Last Centurion", where the military restrain the excesses of democracy -
    but they then, like Sulla, leave politics so that democracy can
    continue, whereas the prince in "The prince and pirate" permanently ends democratic politics by killing quite a lot of politicians. We just
    don't see novels that unashamedly support technocracy, monarchy, or
    aristocracy any more.

    "The Last Centurion" is far to the left of "The prince and the Pirate",
    "Live Free or Die" far to the left of "The Last Centurion", and
    "Citadel" far to the left of "Live Free or Die". I am pretty sure that anything written by John Ringo is as right wing as anything a major
    author dare publish, and what he publishes indicates that the rightmost
    thing that a major author can publish gets further left every year.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Aug 16 09:51:08 2024
    On Thu, 15 Aug 2024, JAB wrote:

    Ruth Ben-Ghiat @ruthbenghiat
    Fear and hatred of books is an authoritarian malady shared by Hitler
    (burned them), Pinochet (discarded them, burned them), Mao (burned
    them), etc., and now the GOP.

    Let's add the previous socialist government of sweden. I know that some libraries burned or sent for destruction Pippi Longstocking books because
    they had the word "negro" in them.

    @swalker_7

    DEVELOPING: New College of Florida dumped hundreds of library books
    this afternoon.

    The school also emptied the college's Gender and Diversity Center,
    tossing hundreds of their books.

    https://x.com/ruthbenghiat/status/1824143485341143260

    Ahh... maybe they are making space in the Gender center for real science?
    =) Would be quite nice if the gender cetner would be razed to the ground,
    and replaced with something related to natural science.

    The books however, must not be burned, they should be given away.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Aug 16 05:43:39 2024
    On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 09:51:08 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    had the word "negro" in them

    Question of the Month

    When Did the Word Negro Become Socially Unacceptable? - 2010

    It started its decline in 1966 and was totally uncouth by the
    mid-1980s. The turning point came when Stokely Carmichael coined the
    phrase black power at a 1966 rally in Mississippi. Until then, Negro
    was how most black Americans described themselves. But in Carmichael's
    speeches and in his landmark 1967 book, Black Power: The Politics of
    Liberation in America, he persuasively argued that the term implied
    black inferiority. Among black activists, Negro soon became shorthand
    for a member of the establishment. Prominent black publications like
    Ebony switched from Negro to black at the end of the decade, and the
    masses soon followed. According to a 1968 Newsweek poll, more than
    two-thirds of black Americans still preferred Negro, but black had
    become the majority preference by 1974. Both the Associated Press and
    the New York Times abandoned Negro in the 1970s, and by the mid-1980s,
    even the most hidebound institutions, like the U.S. Supreme Court, had
    largely stopped using Negro.

    https://jimcrowmuseum.ferris.edu/question/2010/october.htm

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Aug 16 11:52:02 2024
    On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 23:36:31 -0400, JAB is Dumb <[email protected]eracy> wrote:

    From: JAB is Dumb <..................>

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WUyZXhLHMk

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Aug 21 02:28:48 2024
    On 2024-08-16, JAB <[email protected]d> wrote:
    Fear and hatred of books is an authoritarian malady shared by Hitler
    (burned them), Pinochet (discarded them, burned them), Mao (burned
    them), etc., and now the GOP.

    DEVELOPING: New College of Florida dumped hundreds of library books
    this afternoon.

    The school also emptied the college's Gender and Diversity Center,
    tossing hundreds of their books.


    New College of Florida is apparently a public liberal arts college.
    That's interesting.

    Well, universities are a market. Let's see what kind of people want to
    pay for that university's offer.

    Gender/Diversity appears to be on the way out for a while. Even
    corporations are stepping it back.

    Anyway, your average Floridian reads at the 6th grade level, so no loss.
    Having fewer books to read means they can go back to their other
    pasttimes, such as overdosing on meth and getting shitty tattoos.

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