From the «what has Ireland ever done for us?» department:
Title: Elon Musk has a new nemesis: Ireland
Author: Thomas Macaulay
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2024 14:15:46 +0000
Link: https://thenextweb.com/news/elon-musk-x-grok-ireland-problems
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Elon Musk is having a rough week. His daughter has denounced him as a fake Christian, an absent father, and a serial adulterer. He’s been in court to fight a custody battle. His ex-partner Grimes said he “‘cannot distinguish the
truth.” And that’s just his personal life. Musk’s businesses are also under
fire. Tesla stock has plummeted. X has repelled so many advertisers that Musk has sued them over an alleged “illegal boycott.” Politicians have accused the
platform of fuelling race riots. Musk has also been slammed for claiming “civil
war is inevitable” in Britain. But his next battle could…

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On 09 Aug 2024 09:59:34 GMT, Retrograde <[email protected]d>
wrote:

Musk is having a bad week

Musk needs a year long retreat in "Thoreau's cabin on Walden Pond" to
reflect upon this/that.

Since his programming days, he's been absorbed in other ventures,
which does not allow for philosophical/social considerations.

He perceives himself as an Alpha Male instead of a person who gained
success by others.

He has not listened to Andrew Carnegie:

No man will make a great leader who wants to do it all himself or get
all the credit for doing it.

I shall argue that strong men, conversely, know when to compromise and
that all principles can be compromised to serve a greater principle.

It marks a big step in your development when you come to realize that
other people can help you do a better job than you could do alone.

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On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 00:42:59 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein
<[email protected]> wrote:

In <eli$[email protected]> Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> writes:

[snip]

Thoreau bought a house (but not the underlying property), borrowed some >>tools, disassembled the house and then used the materials to build his >>cabin on Waldin Pond. He was reusing *nails* even. Musk has no fucking
clue how to be that resourceful.

Nails were _high value_ back then, so reusing them was quite common.

My grandfather and his brother tore down a one room school house
around 1905, and built a garage from 1/2 materials. Last I knew in
early 2000, this garage is still being used.

There are ordinances that prohibit making another building from a torn
down building. In one city, this ordinance went into effect in 1970s.

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In misc.news.internet.discuss, JAB <[email protected]d> wrote:

Musk needs a year long retreat in "Thoreau's cabin on Walden Pond" to
reflect upon this/that.

Thoreau bought a house (but not the underlying property), borrowed some
tools, disassembled the house and then used the materials to build his
cabin on Waldin Pond. He was reusing *nails* even. Musk has no fucking
clue how to be that resourceful.

Search for "James Collins": https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/205/pg205-images.html

Table of costs:

I have thus a tight shingled and plastered house, ten feet wide by
fifteen long, and eight-feet posts, with a garret and a closet, a
large window on each side, two trap doors, one door at the end, and
a brick fireplace opposite. The exact cost of my house, paying the
usual price for such materials as I used, but not counting the work,
all of which was done by myself, was as follows; and I give the
details because very few are able to tell exactly what their houses
cost, and fewer still, if any, the separate cost of the various
materials which compose them:—

Boards.......................... $ 8.03½, mostly shanty boards.
Refuse shingles for roof sides,.. 4.00
Laths,........................... 1.25
Two second-hand windows
with glass,................... 2.43
One thousand old brick,.......... 4.00
Two casks of lime,............... 2.40 That was high.
Hair,............................ 0.31 More than I needed.
Mantle-tree iron,................ 0.15
Nails,........................... 3.90
Hinges and screws,............... 0.14
Latch,........................... 0.10
Chalk,........................... 0.01
Transportation,.................. 1.40 I carried a good part
———— on my back.
In all,..................... $28.12½

Elijah
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ten by fifteen isn't enough space to park a Cybertruck (size 8' x 18')

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In <eli$[email protected]> Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> writes:

[snip]

Thoreau bought a house (but not the underlying property), borrowed some >tools, disassembled the house and then used the materials to build his
cabin on Waldin Pond. He was reusing *nails* even. Musk has no fucking
clue how to be that resourceful.

Nails were _high value_ back then, so reusing them was quite common.

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Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
[email protected]
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danny burstein <[email protected]> writes:

In <eli$[email protected]> Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> writes:

[snip]

Thoreau bought a house (but not the underlying property), borrowed some
tools, disassembled the house and then used the materials to build his
cabin on Waldin Pond. He was reusing *nails* even. Musk has no fucking
clue how to be that resourceful.

Nails were _high value_ back then, so reusing them was quite common.

I've heard it said that some "forty-niners" in rural New England
burned their houses to retrieve the nails before leaving for
California and the promised gold.

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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In misc.news.internet.discuss, danny burstein <[email protected]> wrote:

In <eli$[email protected]> Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> writes:

Thoreau bought a house (but not the underlying property), borrowed some
tools, disassembled the house and then used the materials to build his
cabin on Waldin Pond. He was reusing *nails* even. Musk has no fucking
clue how to be that resourceful.

Nails were _high value_ back then, so reusing them was quite common.

I understand the why, buy it's a much different philosophy. (And a plank previously nailed has small holes in it that are very tempting for the
wee beasties[*].)

Elijah
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[*] https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43816/to-a-mouse-56d222ab36e33

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On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 04:38:59 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

Nails were _high value_ back then, so reusing them was quite common.

I understand the why,

Most people were engaged in agricultural activities, so there was
"free time" during offseasons.
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Sidebar: Kumiki

Japanese carpentry has a history of over 1,000 years. Though in
western construction we tend to separate architect/designer from the constructor, in Japan the carpenter is also the architect. Japanese
carpentry is known for its ability to create everything from temples
to houses to tea houses to furniture without the use of any nails,
screws, or power tools. This is done through a process called joinery.
Joinery involves the creation of interlocking joints that join
together carefully selected pieces of wood. We will discuss wood types
in this article later. Traditional Japanese craftsmanship is evident
in many of the different ryokans located in Japan. For now, however,
let's examine some of the different types of joinery and how this
unique craft can make the ryokan experience even better. https://www.japaneseguesthouses.com/japanese-carpentry/

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On Sun, 11 Aug 2024 14:33:05 +0200, kyonshi <[email protected]> wrote:

Only with the introduction of wire
nails in the 1860s did that slowly change.

Them square nails can still be found on country dirt roads around
here, which was established around 1867.

Either they were used to build homes/sheds/etc, or they came from
horse drawn wagons.

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kyonshi <[email protected]> writes:

On 10 Aug 2024 01:52:23 -0300, Mike Spencer wrote:

I've heard it said that some "forty-niners" in rural New England burned
their houses to retrieve the nails before leaving for California and the
promised gold.

Nails back then were not those mass produced things we have nowadays, they were all hand-wrought by blacksmiths.

Yeah, I knew that; I'm a blacksmith. :-o

Only with the introduction of wire nails in the 1860s did that
slowly change. Nails used to be an investment into the future.

I'k pretty sure cut nails came first, then wire nails.

My house, believed to be built between 1860 and 1880, has hand-forged
nails, cut nails, cut nails that have been hand-headed, and wire nails
in it. (All turned up when replacing sills, kitchen floor and some
interior.) I suspect that they started construction at the earlier
date and spent 20 years building it. And never finished as there was
partly finished interior when we acquired it in the 1970s.

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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On 12 Aug 2024 17:14:34 -0300, Mike Spencer
<[email protected]e> wrote:

I'k pretty sure cut nails came first, then wire nails.

The Humble Nail - A Key to Unlock the Past

The next phase of progress in nails was the appearance of "cut" nails, beginning in the very late 1700's
...
...
Cut nails continued as the standard until the end of the 1800's, and
were used in building construction, ships and furniture. These nails
fairly accurately date furniture to the 1900's, although it is worth remembering that sometimes modern nails were added in subsequent
repairs.
...
...
About 1880 in America and in Europe, the modern wire nail was
developed.


https://www.harpgallery.com/blog/the-humble-nail-a-key-to-unlock-the-past/

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JAB <[email protected]d> writes:

On 12 Aug 2024 17:14:34 -0300, Mike Spencer
<[email protected]e> wrote:

I'm pretty sure cut nails came first, then wire nails.

The Humble Nail - A Key to Unlock the Past

The next phase of progress in nails was the appearance of "cut" nails, beginning in the very late 1700's
...
...
Cut nails continued as the standard until the end of the 1800's, and
were used in building construction, ships and furniture. These nails
fairly accurately date furniture to the 1900's, although it is worth remembering that sometimes modern nails were added in subsequent
repairs.
...
...
About 1880 in America and in Europe, the modern wire nail was
developed.

https://www.harpgallery.com/blog/the-humble-nail-a-key-to-unlock-the-past/

When I learned how to hand-forge nails in the 60s, the Tremont Nail
Company was still in business in Wareham, Masachusetts. It was,
AFAIK, the last and only source of cut nails which were still, at that
time, preferred by some wood workers for particular uses. Since the
end of a cut nail is a square (well, rectangular) surface rather than
a point, when driven into wood it tends to shear the fibers rather
than push the apart, said to reduce splitting in easily splitable
woods such as oak.

Company acquired by Acorn Manufacturing in 2006 and production moved to Mansfield, Massachusetts. The original Tremont mill is now a national
historic site.

As an aside, hand-forged nails also had a unique feature that made
then preferable to cut and wire nails for certain purposes. Because
they are tapered over their full length, it was possible, when they
were driven more that completely though, to make them curl up and
clinch whatever was being nailed in place. Example would be nailing
strap hinges which, when clinched, wouldn't loosen in use. Wire
nails, being uniform in diameter, can only be bent over, ugly and not effective.



--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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On 13 Aug 2024 18:03:03 -0300, Mike Spencer
<[email protected]e> wrote:

When I learned how to hand-forge nails in the 60s, the Tremont Nail
Company was still in business in Wareham, Masachusetts.

Forging for over 200 years

At Tremont Nail Company, we specialize in designing and crafting
beautiful pieces that stand the test of time.

Time tested for over 200 years. As America's oldest nail manufacturer,
we are in a position to offer the older patterns of cut nails
appropriate to the period of restoration being undertaken. In addition
to a variety of styles of nails, we can provide information to help
the restorer in determining authenticity in the project.

Cut nails possess great durability. They are hard to pull out because
the wood fibers are pushed downward and wedge against the nails, thus
greatly reducing loosening. Once your customers have used them, they
will prefer them for all kinds of work.

https://tremontnail.com/

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On 2024-08-09, kyonshi <[email protected]> wrote:

the "suing advertisers for not advertising" thing is so... stupid. even if
he had success with that, what company would be happy to advertise in a medium that sued you for stopping to take advantage of a service?
and the companies involved have a point in that they specifically stopped advertising because it could hurt their brands with the plans Musk had for twitter (or X as Musk calls it)

Remember, before that, he told advertisers to f*ck off. The Reg has
this correctly:

https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/06/twitter_rumble_wfa_musk/

Twitter tells advertisers to go fsck themselves, now sues them for
fscking the fsck off

CEO claims 'illegal boycott' was attack on Musk's version of free speech

Ever since Musk took over Twitter and fired the majority of its staff,
let previously banned users back on, and banged on about things like the
"woke mind virus," big-name brands have been wary of using the platform
to push their wares. This wasn't helped last year when Musk, on stage at
a conference, told advertisers to "go fuck themselves," although he has
since tried to build bridges.

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