• Undocumented Immigrants Boost Economy

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 31 18:19:16 2024
    US Govt. Report: Undocumented Immigrants Boost Economy

    Based on an estimated increase of 1.7M immigrants per year from
    2021-2026, a US Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report says the
    country will see an increase of $1.7T in federal revenue from
    2024-2034 and a $897B decrease to the federal deficit.

    This figure is based on projections that through their participation
    in the labor market, they will pay $788B in taxes, adding $387B in
    federal revenue through their general effect on the economy

    Regarding the children of immigrants who are born in America, the
    report says their access to welfare will increase total federal
    program expenditures and debt interest by $300B over the 10-year
    period, resulting in an additional $23B in mandatory spending in
    2034.[2]

    Regarding the debt, the report states that while undocumented migrants
    will lead to a debt reduction of $4B from 2024-2028, their presense in
    the country will increase debt spending by $101B between 2024 and
    2034.[1]

    Their overall participation, however, is estimated to lead to an $8.9T
    increase to the nation's gross domestic product (GDP) over the 10
    years.[2]

    https://www.improvethenews.org/story/2024/us-govt-report-undocumented-immigrants-boost-economy

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  • From Anonymous@21:1/5 to JAB on Thu Aug 1 22:46:09 2024
    JAB wrote:
    US Govt. Report: Undocumented Immigrants Boost Economy

    Based on an estimated increase of 1.7M immigrants per year from
    2021-2026, a US Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report says the
    country will see an increase of $1.7T in federal revenue from
    2024-2034 and a $897B decrease to the federal deficit.

    This figure is based on projections that through their participation
    in the labor market, they will pay $788B in taxes, adding $387B in
    federal revenue through their general effect on the economy

    Regarding the children of immigrants who are born in America, the
    report says their access to welfare will increase total federal
    program expenditures and debt interest by $300B over the 10-year
    period, resulting in an additional $23B in mandatory spending in
    2034.[2]

    Regarding the debt, the report states that while undocumented migrants
    will lead to a debt reduction of $4B from 2024-2028, their presense in
    the country will increase debt spending by $101B between 2024 and
    2034.[1]

    Their overall participation, however, is estimated to lead to an $8.9T increase to the nation's gross domestic product (GDP) over the 10
    years.[2]

    https://www.improvethenews.org/story/2024/us-govt-report-undocumented-immigrants-boost-economy


    https://voxday.net/2015/09/25/immigration-and-new-job-creation/

    Not counting undocumented workers, the U.S. has been "strengthened" by adding an average of 1,090,520 legal immigrants annually, which, when combined with the reports of the study, means that from 2000 to 2015, immigrants should have created 19.6 million new jobs for native workers in addition to supplying approximately 10.6 million new jobs themselves. (The latter must be the case due to the new jobs reportedly going to native workers and is a conservative estimate based on the EPR). This amounts to
    a total of 30.2 million new jobs created by immigration since 2000.

    Now let’s look at the numbers from 2000 to 2015. In January 2000, the working age population of the United States was 178,259,050 and the Employment-Population Ratio was 64.6, meaning there were 115,155,346 jobs. Therefore, according to the NBER model, the beneficial effects of immigration are such that after 15 more years of it there should be 145,355,346 jobs in 2015.

    In March 2015 the working age population had grown by nearly 15 million to 204,026,416, which is in line with the 10.6 million new immigrant workers, but population grew to nearly 320 million and the EPR fell to 59.3.That works out to 120,987,665 jobs, which is a mere 24,367,681 fewer jobs than the NBER model predicted. From 2000 to 2015, 16.4 million new immigrants have created a grand total of 5,832,319 new jobs, which means that either
    a) over 10 million native Americans have lost their jobs to immigrant
    labor or b) over two-thirds of the new immigrants are collecting welfare. Either way, these 16.4 million immigrants have not been a boost to the economy.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Anonymous on Thu Aug 1 22:18:40 2024
    On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 22:46:09 -0400, Anonymous <[email protected]> wrote:

    over two-thirds of the new immigrants are collecting welfare.

    Fact Check - The majority of recipients were white (43 percent),
    followed by Hispanic (26 percent), and Black (23 percent). These
    figures fall in line with population demographics and debunk the
    misconception that welfare programs are predominantly associated with
    the Black community.Feb 28, 2024 https://www.revolt.tv/article/are-black-people-the-majority-of-those-on-welfare

    Overview of Immigrant Eligibility for Federal Programs
    Updated May 2024

    The major federal public benefits programs have long excluded some
    non-U.S. citizens from eligibility for assistance. Programs such as
    the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, formerly known as
    the Food Stamp Program), nonemergency Medicaid, Supplemental Security
    Income (SSI), and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) and
    its precursor, Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), were
    largely unavailable to undocumented immigrants and people in the
    United States on temporary visas.

    However, the 1996 federal welfare and immigration laws introduced an unprecedented era of restrictionism.[1] Prior to the enactment of
    these laws, lawful permanent residents of the U.S. generally were
    eligible for assistance in a manner similar to U.S. citizens. Once the
    laws were implemented, most lawfully residing immigrants were barred
    from receiving assistance under the major federal benefits programs
    for five years or longer.
    ...
    ...
    In determining an immigrant's eligibility for benefits, it is
    necessary to understand the federal rules as well as the rules of the
    state in which an immigrant resides. Updates on federal and state
    rules are available on NILC's website.

    https://www.nilc.org/issues/economic-support/overview-immeligfedprograms/

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  • From Anonymous@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Aug 2 19:54:54 2024
    JAB wrote:
    On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 22:46:09 -0400, Anonymous <[email protected]> wrote:

    over two-thirds of the new immigrants are collecting welfare.

    Fact Check

    So then it must be "over 10 million native Americans have lost their
    jobs to immigrant labor".

    https://www.nilc.org/issues/economic-support/overview-immeligfedprograms/

    Which gives a whole list of immigrants who ARE "qualified" to receive
    federal welfare. And that doesn't include state level programs.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Anonymous on Fri Aug 2 21:23:54 2024
    On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 19:54:54 -0400, Anonymous <[email protected]> wrote:

    So then it must be "over 10 million native Americans have lost their
    jobs to immigrant labor".

    I don't think "Native Americans" (aka Indians) have lost jobs.

    There are a number of countries that are/have used "imported" labor.

    Even Trump was using immigrant labor before he got exposed.

    There are many retiring people, and there are jobs white boys don't
    want.
    ======================================


    What type of jobs do immigrant workers have?

    In California, the jobs most frequently held by immigrants are
    agricultural position. This is not surprising, as California is the
    nation's leading agricultural producer. https://jgoldlaw.com/blog/immigrant-jobs-usa/

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Anonymous on Fri Aug 2 21:27:46 2024
    On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 19:54:54 -0400, Anonymous <[email protected]> wrote:

    So then it must be

    Most Common Jobs Held by Immigrants in each US State

    https://blogs.voanews.com/all-about-america/2015/08/24/most-common-jobs-held-by-immigrants-in-each-us-state/

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Aug 3 14:12:28 2024
    On Fri, 2 Aug 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 19:54:54 -0400, Anonymous <[email protected]> wrote:

    So then it must be "over 10 million native Americans have lost their
    jobs to immigrant labor".

    I don't think "Native Americans" (aka Indians) have lost jobs.

    There are a number of countries that are/have used "imported" labor.

    Even Trump was using immigrant labor before he got exposed.

    There are many retiring people, and there are jobs white boys don't
    want.
    ======================================


    What type of jobs do immigrant workers have?

    In California, the jobs most frequently held by immigrants are
    agricultural position. This is not surprising, as California is the
    nation's leading agricultural producer. https://jgoldlaw.com/blog/immigrant-jobs-usa/


    The indians live off nature. They hunt, forage and from time to time they supplement their income with casinos and raiding parties attacking white settlers nearby.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Anonymous on Sat Aug 3 10:23:59 2024
    On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 19:54:54 -0400, Anonymous <[email protected]> wrote:

    whole list of immigrants

    What the data says about immigrants in the U.S. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/key-findings-about-us-immigrants

    How long do immigrants stay on welfare?
    The main rationale for the seven-year time limit was that it was
    intended to provide a sufficient opportunity for humanitarian
    immigrant seniors and those with disabilities to naturalize and retain
    their eligibility for SSI as U.S. citizens.May 8, 2024


    Most immigrants (94 percent in 1993 according to the Current
    Population Survey, CPS) do not use "welfare" as conventionally defined
    (to include Aid to Families with Dependent Children, AFDC,
    Supplemental Security Income, SSI, or General Assistance, GA) https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/70281/410345-Summary-of-Facts-About-Immigrants-Use-of-Welfare.pdf

    Fact Sheet: Immigrants and Public Benefits

    August 21, 2018

    Are undocumented immigrants eligible for federal public benefit
    programs?

    Generally no. Undocumented immigrants, including DACA holders, are
    ineligible to receive most federal public benefits, including
    means-tested benefits such as Supplemental Nutrition Assistance
    Program (SNAP, sometimes referred to as food stamps), regular
    Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income (SSI), and Temporary Assistance
    for Needy Families (TANF). Undocumented immigrants are ineligible for
    health care subsidies under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) and are
    prohibited from purchasing unsubsidized health coverage on ACA
    exchanges.

    Undocumented immigrants may be eligible for a handful of benefits that
    are deemed necessary to protect life or guarantee safety in dire
    situations, such as emergency Medicaid, access to treatment in
    hospital emergency rooms, or access to healthcare and nutrition
    programs under the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women,
    Infants, and Children (WIC).

    Are legal immigrants eligible for federal public benefit programs?

    Only those with lawful permanent resident (LPR) status, but not until
    they have resided as a legal resident for five years.


    How much do legal immigrants use federal public benefit programs?

    Legal immigrants use federal public benefit programs at lower rates
    than U.S.-born citizens.

    How much do immigrants contribute to support public benefits programs?

    Both documented and undocumented immigrants pay more into public
    benefit programs than they take out.

    etc...

    https://immigrationforum.org/article/fact-sheet-immigrants-and-public-benefits/

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Anonymous on Sun Aug 4 12:03:52 2024
    On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 19:54:54 -0400, Anonymous <[email protected]> wrote:

    So then it must be "over 10 million native Americans have lost their
    jobs to immigrant labor".

    Here's an immigrant taking a Black job
    Pic
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GUGfKnSWAAAzoCy.jpg

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