Supreme Court says Trump has absolute immunity for core acts only

In a historic, consequential, and controversial decision on Monday,
the Supreme Court granted substantial immunity from prosecution to
former president Donald Trump on election subversion charges.

The decision almost certainly will delay his trial until after the
November election, if it takes place at all. The vote was 6-to-3, with
the court's Republican appointees all in the majority, and the
Democratic appointees in fierce dissent

Such immunity is needed, said the chief justice, in order to protect
an "energetic," and "independent executive," willing to take "bold"
actions and make unpopular decisions when needed. And while Roberts
said that private actions by a former president are not protected from prosecution, his opinion seemed to inexorably intertwine private and
public actions.

The court, however, did not itself resolve whether any of the election subversion charges against Trump could go forward; rather, the
justices sent the case back to the trial court judge to determine
whether any of the charges against Trump are sufficiently private to survive--in other words, not within his official purview as president.
And it made it far more difficult to prosecute a former president by
limiting the evidence a prosecutor could present.

Stuart Gerson, a Republican who served in high-level Justice
Department positions, put the effect of Monday's ruling this way: "It
is impossible that this case will be resolved, if ever, before the
election."

In short, he said, Trump got what he wanted: delay

https://www.npr.org/2024/07/01/nx-s1-5002157/supreme-court-trump-immunity

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JAB wrote:

Supreme Court says Trump has absolute immunity for core acts
only

In a historic, consequential, and controversial decision on
Monday, the Supreme Court granted substantial immunity from
prosecution to former president Donald Trump on election
subversion charges.

The decision almost certainly will delay his trial until after
the November election, if it takes place at all. The vote was
6-to-3, with the court's Republican appointees all in the
majority, and the Democratic appointees in fierce dissent

Bad news for the people who wanted to see Donald Trump put in
prison so he couldn't be elected President in November...

If I was Joe Biden I'd be worried...

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D wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jul 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

Bad news for the people who wanted to see Donald Trump put in
prison so he couldn't be elected President in November...

If I was Joe Biden I'd be worried...

No one should have been surprised. Trump has victory in his
DNA, and due to Bidens recent performance, will now take a
nice and relaxing walk to the white house this autumn.

At least Donald Trump can walk!!! ;-)

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On Tue, 2 Jul 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

JAB wrote:

Supreme Court says Trump has absolute immunity for core acts
only

In a historic, consequential, and controversial decision on
Monday, the Supreme Court granted substantial immunity from
prosecution to former president Donald Trump on election
subversion charges.

The decision almost certainly will delay his trial until after
the November election, if it takes place at all. The vote was
6-to-3, with the court's Republican appointees all in the
majority, and the Democratic appointees in fierce dissent

Bad news for the people who wanted to see Donald Trump put in
prison so he couldn't be elected President in November...

If I was Joe Biden I'd be worried...

No one should have been surprised. Trump has victory in his DNA, and due
to Bidens recent performance, will now take a nice and relaxing walk to
the white house this autumn.

Let us pray for Trump and for the golden era that is to come! =)

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On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 12:23:10 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

No one should have been surprised.
Trump has victory in his DNA,

Serendipity....Yes.

Conservative SCOTUS members are fools thinking religion and Trump will
make US a better nation. They said "not my job" to determine if he
fucked up, and sent the matter back to a lower court to decide.

Trump is not concerned if Ukraine gets defeated....blue collar suckers
and losers will vote for Trump.

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On Tue, 2 Jul 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

D wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jul 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

Bad news for the people who wanted to see Donald Trump put in
prison so he couldn't be elected President in November...

If I was Joe Biden I'd be worried...

No one should have been surprised. Trump has victory in his
DNA, and due to Bidens recent performance, will now take a
nice and relaxing walk to the white house this autumn.

At least Donald Trump can walk!!! ;-)

;)

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On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 20:51:26 -0400, Auric Hellman
<[email protected]> wrote:

Much could happen between now and November

Pence may have to testify against Trump in a lower court in deciding
if Trump's behavior was an official act....for pressuring Pence to
overturn 2020 election

On another note:

Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1
Justice Department officials plan to pursue the criminal cases against
Donald Trump past Election Day even if he wins, under the belief that department rules against charging or prosecuting a sitting president
would not kick in until Inauguration Day in January,

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On Tue, 2 Jul 2024, JAB wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 12:23:10 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

No one should have been surprised.
Trump has victory in his DNA,

Serendipity....Yes.

Conservative SCOTUS members are fools thinking religion and Trump will
make US a better nation. They said "not my job" to determine if he
fucked up, and sent the matter back to a lower court to decide.

Trump is not concerned if Ukraine gets defeated....blue collar suckers
and losers will vote for Trump.

They will because they will get lower taxes and less inflation. As for
Ukraine, their victory is hardly the responsibility of the US, it is their
own responsibility first, and europes second, maybe, the US a very distant third.

But don't you worry, once Trump ramps down the gifts to Ukraine (he won't cancel them, mind you) europe will step up to make up for the loss of
income and gifts.

So in a way, Trump is actually the best thing that could happen to people
who want a strong and unified EU.

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On Tue, 2 Jul 2024, Auric Hellman wrote:

On 7/2/2024 6:23 AM, D wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jul 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

JAB wrote:

Supreme Court says Trump has absolute immunity for core acts
only

In a historic, consequential, and controversial decision on
Monday, the Supreme Court granted substantial immunity from
prosecution to former president Donald Trump on election
subversion charges.

The decision almost certainly will delay his trial until after
the November election, if it takes place at all. The vote was
6-to-3, with the court's Republican appointees all in the
majority, and the Democratic appointees in fierce dissent

Bad news for the people who wanted to see Donald Trump put in
prison so he couldn't be elected President in November...

If I was Joe Biden I'd be worried...

No one should have been surprised. Trump has victory in his DNA, and due to >> Bidens recent performance, will now take a nice and relaxing walk to the
white house this autumn.

Let us pray for Trump and for the golden era that is to come! =)

There's an old saying, "Don't count your chickens before they hatch". The political climate in America is that there are still a large percentage of people who outright hate Trump and will never vote for him; no matter what. Much could happen between now and November; perhaps even a viable third party candidate (doubtful). Either candidate could develop a health issue or of course, a new scandal arises. Nobody had thought at this point in 2016 that Trump had a chance of beating Hilary.

This is the truth!

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On 2024-07-02, Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:

JAB wrote:
Bad news for the people who wanted to see Donald Trump put in
prison so he couldn't be elected President in November...

If I was Joe Biden I'd be worried...

I'll sidestep the Dem-vs-Rep conversation and point out, it's also bad
news for any American who thinks Congress should do its job and the
power of the executive - any president - should be reduced.

I strongly suspect Americans want a stronger president because Congress
is a clown car of asshats unable to accomplish even the basics, like
budgeting.

The Founders gave Congress the power, assuming Congress would be staffed
with leaders, not idiots. They assumed wrong.

By the way, imprisoning Trump is/was a terrible strategy for keeping him
out of office. New parties now, the two we've got both suck
donkeyballs.

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On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 12:55:27 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

But don't you worry, once Trump ramps down the gifts to Ukraine
(he won't cancel them, mind you)

When were Trump's loans paid back to Russian oligarchs?

As for Ukraine, their victory....is their own responsibility first

Without weapons, they are doomed. Ukraine's actions has shown Russia
is weak, and requires outside resources from several countries (Iran,
China, and N. Korea).

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Retrograde wrote:

On 2024-07-02, Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:

JAB wrote:
Bad news for the people who wanted to see Donald Trump put in
prison so he couldn't be elected President in November...

If I was Joe Biden I'd be worried...

I'll sidestep the Dem-vs-Rep conversation and point out, it's
also bad news for any American who thinks Congress should do
its job and the power of the executive - any president -
should be reduced.

How much power is Joe Biden really wielding behind the scenes?
Without a script to read from he doesn't seem very coherent.

I strongly suspect Americans want a stronger president because
Congress is a clown car of asshats unable to accomplish even
the basics, like budgeting.

As an outsider I just can't understand why they don't want a
'younger' - as well as stronger - President!

When you are talking about electing somebody for a four year
term of office I think it's bat-shit crazy to have candidates 78
and 81 years of age! They should both be in retirement homes
playing checkers, not trying to run the most powerful nation on
Earth!

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On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 15:52:35 +0100
"Blueshirt" <[email protected]> wrote:

Retrograde wrote:

On 2024-07-02, Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:

JAB wrote:
Bad news for the people who wanted to see Donald Trump put in
prison so he couldn't be elected President in November...

If I was Joe Biden I'd be worried...

I'll sidestep the Dem-vs-Rep conversation and point out, it's
also bad news for any American who thinks Congress should do
its job and the power of the executive - any president -
should be reduced.

How much power is Joe Biden really wielding behind the scenes?
Without a script to read from he doesn't seem very coherent.

I strongly suspect Americans want a stronger president because
Congress is a clown car of asshats unable to accomplish even
the basics, like budgeting.

As an outsider I just can't understand why they don't want a
'younger' - as well as stronger - President!

When you are talking about electing somebody for a four year
term of office I think it's bat-shit crazy to have candidates 78
and 81 years of age! They should both be in retirement homes
playing checkers, not trying to run the most powerful nation on
Earth!

I's a front; I blame the International Bankng Conspir

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 20:51:26 -0400, Auric Hellman
<[email protected]> wrote:

Nobody had thought at this point in 2016
that Trump had a chance of beating Hilary.

IIRC, Trump was doing a PR stunt, and did not expect to win.

And Comey was another enabler to assist Trump:



Though he knows that Clinton wrote in her memoir that Comey "shivved"
her by going public with his concerns on Oct. 28 and that he has
caused Clinton supporters, including his wife, "a lot of pain," Comey
said he would not apologize to her because he never intended to help
or hurt her campaign. He said his motivation was simply to be
transparent in order to maintain public faith in the FBI.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/02/comey-calls-2016-election-decisions-nightmare-i-cant-awaken-from/

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On 2024-07-03, JAB <[email protected]d> wrote:

Though he knows that Clinton wrote in her memoir that Comey "shivved"
her by going public with his concerns on Oct. 28 and that he has
caused Clinton supporters, including his wife, "a lot of pain," Comey
said he would not apologize to her because he never intended to help
or hurt her campaign. He said his motivation was simply to be
transparent in order to maintain public faith in the FBI.

Hillary can go choke on a bag of dicks. Her campaign consisted of "vote
for me because I've wanted it for so long and now it's MY turn."

She got my vote because the alternative was the orange-haired liar. But
she got it grudgingly; I'd have voted for almost anyone else.

New parties now. The ones we have suck.

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On 2024-07-03, Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:

Retrograde wrote:

On 2024-07-02, Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:

JAB wrote:
Bad news for the people who wanted to see Donald Trump put in
prison so he couldn't be elected President in November...

If I was Joe Biden I'd be worried...

I'll sidestep the Dem-vs-Rep conversation and point out, it's
also bad news for any American who thinks Congress should do
its job and the power of the executive - any president -
should be reduced.

How much power is Joe Biden really wielding behind the scenes?
Without a script to read from he doesn't seem very coherent.

I strongly suspect Americans want a stronger president because
Congress is a clown car of asshats unable to accomplish even
the basics, like budgeting.

As an outsider I just can't understand why they don't want a
'younger' - as well as stronger - President!

When you are talking about electing somebody for a four year
term of office I think it's bat-shit crazy to have candidates 78
and 81 years of age! They should both be in retirement homes
playing checkers, not trying to run the most powerful nation on
Earth!

I agree with you on all three points. The 2024 election is proof
positive that American "democracy" has been broken by two fundamentally incompetent political parties and a nation of cheese-gargling
shopper-monkeys laser focused on big stupid cars and their big stupid
asses.

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On 2024-07-03, Kerr-Mudd, John <[email protected]> wrote:

playing checkers, not trying to run the most powerful nation on
Earth!

I's a front; I blame the International Bankng Conspir

well, clearly THAT guy was whisked away from his keyboard by the
Illuminati and spirited away to a windowless cell by ...

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On Wed, 3 Jul 2024, JAB wrote:

On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 12:55:27 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

But don't you worry, once Trump ramps down the gifts to Ukraine
(he won't cancel them, mind you)

When were Trump's loans paid back to Russian oligarchs?

No idea, irrelevant to my point.

As for Ukraine, their victory....is their own responsibility first

Without weapons, they are doomed. Ukraine's actions has shown Russia
is weak, and requires outside resources from several countries (Iran,
China, and N. Korea).

No, it's just about will. If there's a will there's a way. Imagine 30
million people with knives. Also europe will supply all the weapons
necessary once Trump forces them to step up. I read today that 85 F16:s
are on the way.

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