• the fire hose of falsehood

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 10 20:30:28 2024
    From her book coming out in July, here's @anneapplebaum
    on "the fire hose of falsehood," which doesn't try to persuade you
    that up is down, but rather to give up on any hope of becoming an
    informed citizen in a working democracy. https://theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/06/china-russia-republican-party-relations/678271/

    https://twitter.com/jayrosen_nyu/status/1789017327926661279

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  • From Mike Spencer@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat May 11 01:54:01 2024
    JAB <[email protected]d> writes:

    From her book coming out in July, here's @anneapplebaum
    on "the fire hose of falsehood," which doesn't try to persuade you
    that up is down, but rather to give up on any hope of becoming an
    informed citizen in a working democracy.

    https://theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/06/china-russia-republican-party-relations/678271/

    Authoritarianism doesn't really want to convince its supporters
    that their fantasies are true, because truth claims are subject
    to verification, and thus to the possible discrediting of
    authority. Authoritarianism wants to convince its supporters
    that nothing is true, that the whole machinery of truth is an
    intolerable imposition on their psyches, and thus that they
    might as well give free rein to their fantasies.

    -- Brian Phillips

    If everybody lies to you, if everybody always lies to you, the
    consequence is not that you believe the lies, but rather that
    nobody believes anything any longer...And a people that can no
    longer believe anything, cannot make up its mind. It is
    deprived, not only of its capacity to act, but also of its
    capacity to think and to judge. And with such a people, you can
    then do what you please.
    -- Hannah Arendt

    Lesley Stahl, of "60 Minutes", revealed that, in an interview
    after the 2016 election, Donald Trump told her that the reason
    he maligns the press is "to discredit you all and demean you
    all so that when you write negative stories about me no one
    will believe you". [attrib??]



    https://twitter.com/jayrosen_nyu/status/1789017327926661279

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    Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat May 11 06:47:39 2024
    On 11 May 2024 01:54:01 -0300, Mike Spencer
    <[email protected]e> wrote:


    Authoritarianism doesn't really want to convince its supporters
    that their fantasies are true, because truth claims are subject
    to verification, and thus to the possible discrediting of
    authority. Authoritarianism wants to convince its supporters
    that nothing is true, that the whole machinery of truth is an
    intolerable imposition on their psyches, and thus that they
    might as well give free rein to their fantasies.

    -- Brian Phillips

    US's educational system has not focused on this Finland topic below.
    Critical thinking is required, and students should be taught to
    evaluate statements/etc.

    In October 2023, 61.4 percent of 2023 high school graduates ages 16 to
    24 were enrolled in colleges or universities... https://www.bls.gov/news.release/hsgec.nr0.htm

    But, not all of them will graduate, and some who graduate do not have
    critical thinking skills. So, a large number of US adults may not be
    able to sort the chaff from the wheat. ===============================================

    How Finland starts its fight against fake news in primary schools

    Country on frontline of information war teaches everyone from school
    pupils to politicians how to spot slippery information

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/28/fact-from-fiction-finlands-new-lessons-in-combating-fake-news

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  • From Mike Spencer@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat May 11 20:52:33 2024
    JAB <[email protected]d> writes:

    US's educational system has not focused on this Finland topic below.
    Critical thinking is required, and students should be taught to
    evaluate statements/etc.

    In October 2023, 61.4 percent of 2023 high school graduates ages 16 to
    24 were enrolled in colleges or universities...

    https://www.bls.gov/news.release/hsgec.nr0.htm

    But, not all of them will graduate, and some who graduate do not have critical thinking skills. So, a large number of US adults may not be
    able to sort the chaff from the wheat.

    The daughter of a long-time friend -- early thirties, partner in a PR consultancy in the SF Bay area that serves chiefly NGOs and public
    utilities -- says that this is a worrying shortcoming in new hires.

    There is this: that, increasingly as science and technology become
    more and more complex and arcane, the wheat/chaff discrimination
    requires more and more knowledge of facts and principles. AIUI, at
    the same time, post-secondary education (in the US anyhow) is more and
    more dropping requirements for serious technical/theoretical courses
    and replacing them with (politically correct?) soft-core courses in
    which critical acuity isn't an asset, may even be a liability.

    ===============================================

    How Finland starts its fight against fake news in primary schools

    Country on frontline of information war teaches everyone from school
    pupils to politicians how to spot slippery information

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/28/fact-from-fiction-finlands-new-lessons-in-combating-fake-news

    --
    Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat May 11 20:03:57 2024
    On 11 May 2024 20:52:33 -0300, Mike Spencer
    <[email protected]e> wrote:

    the wheat/chaff discrimination requires more
    and more knowledge of facts and principles.

    I believe in the late fifties, curriculum was selected via teachers,
    but these days, I believe politics (aka outside involvement) is
    happening in various states. And of course, textbook companies have
    bowed to purchasers' 'ideations'.

    I believe one political party has quelled textbook's content in a
    number of US states. Essentially, the party likes the master-servant relationship, and the suckers and losers are voting for more of it.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun May 12 20:17:10 2024
    On 11 May 2024 20:52:33 -0300, Mike Spencer
    <[email protected]e> wrote:

    worrying shortcoming in new hires.

    If only a Broadway play, movie, and/or a Monty Python "sketch" could
    delineate the games played by The Parties in a mocking/humorous way

    For instances,

    Trump at 2016 RNC: 'I alone can fix it'
    Trump recently: I've been right about everything

    Over the top humor there.....but his supporters can't sort the chaff
    from the wheat.

    Or maybe a weekly series like All in the Family, with someone like J.
    R. Ewing exposing their dirty laundry and games. TPTB ("the powers
    that be") would be extremely pissed.

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