• Re: Biden tells Netanyahu US will not participate in any counter-strike

    From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Apr 14 20:06:38 2024
    On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 20:25:11 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    I can't imagine GHW Bush backing down.

    "The greatest victory is that which requires no battle."
    - Sun Tzu, The Art of War

    "There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare."
    - Sun Tzu, The Art of War

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Apr 14 22:59:48 2024
    On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 20:25:11 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    backing down.

    Assume this is true:

    "Attacks on Israel Largely 'Performative,' Says Former Senior U.S.
    Official"

    Perhaps Iran wants to provoke Israel, knowing in their mind, different
    missiles will be used next time.

    In other words, Iran may have been aware Israel could take down what
    was sent, giving Israel a perception of accomplishment.

    Without awareness of Iran's available missiles/etc, I can't say if
    Iran has other tricks available (as they have suggested).

    Unless Israel is fully aware of Iran's strengths, it would be foolish
    to make assumptions, as based upon a single attack.

    Iran, I believe, would like to nuke Israel, and like Hamas, would have
    no regrets about collateral damage.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Apr 16 11:24:32 2024
    On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 20:25:11 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Iran warned America to stay out of it

    The Associated Press
    Israel's military chief says that Israel will respond to Iran's
    weekend missile attack
    ==============================

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Apr 16 21:05:22 2024
    On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 21:02:10 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    They have no choice but to respond

    Feeling one's oats, are they?

    [Feel frisky or animated, as in School was out, and they were feeling
    their oats. This usage alludes to the behavior of a horse after having
    been fed. [Early 1800s]]


    "To be, or not to be? That is the question--Whether 'tis nobler in the
    mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take
    arms against a sea of troubles, And, by opposing, end them?"

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Apr 17 11:36:19 2024
    On Tue, 16 Apr 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 21:02:10 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    They have no choice but to respond

    Feeling one's oats, are they?

    [Feel frisky or animated, as in School was out, and they were feeling
    their oats. This usage alludes to the behavior of a horse after having
    been fed. [Early 1800s]]


    "To be, or not to be? That is the question--Whether 'tis nobler in the
    mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take
    arms against a sea of troubles, And, by opposing, end them?"

    I read in the swedish mainstream news that Saudi arabia, UAE and Jordan actually helped Israel against the Iran attack.

    Big regional war approaching perhaps?

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Apr 17 10:33:20 2024
    On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:36:19 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Big regional war approaching perhaps?

    Maybe Israel and Iran are going to have a Neutron Dance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-jdhorGtQI

    Iran's response was not a Tit for a Tat, but more for Hamas and their
    military people killed.

    Israel will evaluate a possible response to the Iran attack, but it
    would be foolish to be more than a Tit for a Tat.

    Iran should have evaluated what didn't work, and Israel should have
    evaluated if their defenses could have taken out all incoming, without
    others assisting.

    Iran's stay out of it remarks to US suggests that Iran thinks it is a superpower. Maybe Iran will consider that others assisted Israel.

    A Tit for a Tat response by Israel should be more than enough, but
    doing something large scale is not advisable.

    Iran did send some missiles that could have done serious damage.

    Sadly, their religious belief is not in sync with other religions, but
    their "my religion is better than yours" is faulty reasoning.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Apr 17 23:11:05 2024
    On Wed, 17 Apr 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:36:19 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    Big regional war approaching perhaps?

    Maybe Israel and Iran are going to have a Neutron Dance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-jdhorGtQI

    Iran's response was not a Tit for a Tat, but more for Hamas and their military people killed.

    Israel will evaluate a possible response to the Iran attack, but it
    would be foolish to be more than a Tit for a Tat.

    Iran should have evaluated what didn't work, and Israel should have
    evaluated if their defenses could have taken out all incoming, without
    others assisting.

    Iran's stay out of it remarks to US suggests that Iran thinks it is a superpower. Maybe Iran will consider that others assisted Israel.

    No, that's just common modus operandi for dictatorships. Rocket man in
    north korea behaves just the same and Putin is the same. I imagine that if
    I had the energy to listen to whoever is in charge in socialist Venezuela
    at the moment, the rhetoric would be exactly the same.

    A Tit for a Tat response by Israel should be more than enough, but
    doing something large scale is not advisable.

    Iran did send some missiles that could have done serious damage.

    Sadly, their religious belief is not in sync with other religions, but
    their "my religion is better than yours" is faulty reasoning.

    Islam belongs in the stone age and is probably the biggest threat to peace there is in western europe. That being said, I'm no fan of extremely conservative christians either, especially not the type who believe they
    should try and convert me. It is my firm belief that if I want to ridicule mohammed and jesus I should be allowed to do so in a modern society
    without death threats and riots. Sadly this is no longer the case in
    northern europe.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Apr 17 18:52:33 2024
    On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 23:11:05 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    ridicule mohammed

    The Satanic Verses
    Salman Rushdie

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Apr 17 21:49:04 2024
    On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 21:02:10 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    They have no choice but to respond

    It's always better to hold off for awhile or more....this way, Iran's
    officials will consume more Alka-Seltzers.

    Not responding can upset Iran's mental apple cart.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Apr 18 20:56:36 2024
    On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 21:02:10 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    They have no choice but to respond

    Iran threatens to target Israeli nuke facilities; Middle East on
    'precipice' of bigger war
    ===============================

    Might be a ruse....

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Apr 19 11:16:46 2024
    On Thu, 18 Apr 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 21:02:10 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    They have no choice but to respond

    Iran threatens to target Israeli nuke facilities; Middle East on
    'precipice' of bigger war
    ===============================

    Might be a ruse....


    Just sounds like "talk the talk" to me. Iran of course know that should
    they try anything hamfisted involving nuclear facilities, they are smoked.
    Not only militarily but also in terms of increasing sanctions due to them helping russia in the war against ukraine.

    Come to think of it, strange that iran isn't more sanctioned since they
    are supplying russia with drones.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Apr 19 19:16:49 2024
    On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 21:02:10 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <[email protected]> wrote:


    They have no choice but to respond


    Group of Seven foreign ministers meeting in Italy warned of new
    sanctions against Iran for its drone and missile attack on Israel last
    weekend, and urged both sides to avoid worsening the conflict.

    https://apnews.com/article/israel-iran-hamas-latest-04-19-2024-554e36a603a12f448f5cfa80c5c30bd6

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Apr 20 12:43:29 2024
    On Fri, 19 Apr 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 21:02:10 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <[email protected]> wrote:


    They have no choice but to respond


    Group of Seven foreign ministers meeting in Italy warned of new
    sanctions against Iran for its drone and missile attack on Israel last weekend, and urged both sides to avoid worsening the conflict.

    https://apnews.com/article/israel-iran-hamas-latest-04-19-2024-554e36a603a12f448f5cfa80c5c30bd6


    This is so tiring. The EU sanctions on russia, based on articles I've read
    do not work. They might increase the friction a bit, but at the end of the
    day, cyprus, turkey, the *stan countries are all helping russia get what
    they need.

    Iran is of course one of the biggest drone suppliers to russia as well.

    Now... pare this with the rhetoric against russia, and I do get the
    feeling that the EU almost wants russia to win, but verbally they support ukraine.

    It's as if the EU want to torture ukraine. Giving them just enough weapons
    to barely survive, but making sure that they won't win.

    Well, that's a bit of conspiracy-saturday for you. ;)

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Apr 20 19:52:52 2024
    On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 16:02:49 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Adolph W. Bush invaded them for no good reason.


    1. Hussein wanted to get off the dollar currency
    2. THE BUSH ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT

    In late-April 1993, the United States learned that terrorists had
    attempted to assassinate Bush during his visit to Kuwait. The Kuwaiti authorities arrested 17 persons suspected in the plot to kill Bush
    using explosives hidden in a Toyota Landcruiser.

    https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/archive/special/9704a/05bush2.htm

    Iranian government is functioning just fine

    Relative to what yardstick...I'm sure the tech pay scale is good for
    those ventures the government deems worthwhile (same practice in most
    all countries). Putting your chosen eggs into one basket means other
    facets are affected.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Apr 20 19:39:57 2024
    On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 12:43:29 +0200, D <[email protected]> wrote:

    The EU sanctions on russia, based on articles I've read
    do not work.

    February 27, 2024

    The Sanctions Are Working--Just Ask Russia's Friends

    The beginning of Russia's invasion of Ukraine produced several pledges
    of cooperation on one side or the other of the conflict. No country
    was more effusive in its support for Russia than China, which said
    there would be "no limits" to its support. The limits to that support
    appear to be at hand, however. It took a while, but the pressure from
    the sanctions is mounting and having an impact on the Russian economy.

    The Situation with China

    In February alone, some of China's biggest banks stopped doing
    business with Russia. On February 7, Chouzhou Commercial Bank, the
    main Chinese bank facilitating Russia's imports, stopped doing
    business with Russia. By February 21, three of China's four largest
    banks--the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (ICBC), the China Construction Bank, and the Bank of China--had stopped doing business
    with sanctioned Russian institutions. More financial institutions will
    likely follow suit as new EU sanctions on Chinese companies helping
    Russia evade sanctions, prompted by the death of Alexei Navalny, were
    announced on February 24, 2024. These Chinese institutions have
    accumulated vulnerabilities that expose them to the effects of
    sanctions.

    https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/sanctions-are-working-just-ask-russias-friends

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Apr 21 07:48:15 2024
    On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 16:02:49 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Iranian government is functioning just fine

    Its behavior seems to go in religious, military, and political
    directions. They are hell-bent on disciplining their own who don't
    practice their religious beliefs, but have relationships with
    countries not accepting their religion.

    I'm not sure how their leaders define "infidels," but in its common
    meaning, "a person of a religion other than one's own." their
    relationships (good/bad/etc) with outsiders seem illogical.

    They have an axe to grind with at least one religion, while having
    beneficial relationships with non religious states.

    I suspect their religion does not support their relationship behavior
    with other countries. Would their religion support lying by one of
    their diplomats, or say allow a news caster to falsely report?
    Apparently, deceiving others is part of their religion, or their
    leadership appears to have lapses in religious reasoning.

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  • From Danart@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 29 12:20:44 2024
    Auric Hellman wrote:
    President Joe Biden and senior members of his national security
    team,
    seeking to contain the risk of a wider regional war following a
    barrage
    of Iranian missiles and drones directed toward Israel, have told
    their
    counterparts the US will not participate in any offensive action
    against
    Iran, according to US officials familiar with the matter.

    <continue reading


    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/biden-tells-netanyahu-us-will-not-participate-in-any-counter-strike-against-iran/ar-BB1lB3l0?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=47f04ada993a4bbabd5d485c4d0aa1ab&ei=36

    Iran warned America to stay out of it and it appears they will. I
    can't
    imagine GHW Bush backing down.



    --
    Dr. Auric D. Hellman
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    If
    USA disarmed Israel/Palestine and forced everybody to live in harmony. Literally replacing the police and military entirely for a given time,
    The genocidal attack on Gaza area could have been resolved.

    Iran is only doing this because nobody is stepping to correct the
    wrong doing of racists brainwashed morons.

    ...............


    About Religion.

    Judaism - literally was two groups fighting each other, they were
    enslaved by Egyptians. Adopted identities.
    Roam the desert and separated. Fought with Arabics ( Desert people )
    over land that was occupied.
    Was again enslaved ( Indoctrinated ) in Roman times ( Note everybody
    owned slaves ), Rejected Christianity as a sect. Was hated for many
    reasons. participated in triangle-trade, and the creation of the
    Federal reserve, and influence via media ( public opinion ).

    Christianity - Christ on Earth and preached for three years. Saul
    Paul promoted Christianity over both sides of the Roman Empire.
    Roman east fell to Ottoman. Roman west was liberated and promoted
    Christianity as Catholic ( Literally Universal Church out of the
    Pagans and the Evangelists ), and adopted the Islamic Hijab via the
    Nuns. ( which Rome is known for ) Lutheran happen. Crusades happen,
    Age of exploration and missionaries happen, Modernization happen.
    Nutjobs like Bloody Mary happen. More Lutheran congregations was
    founded across the world via seeking Religious freedoms happen.

    Islam - Literally a trader who was heavily influenced by his
    grandfather. During this time many religions was being promoted but
    Islam made the most sense. Islam is a combination of Judaism and Arab
    belief systems, which would eventually include parts of Christianity.
    War happen and by making Muhammad leader it help prevent more war. He
    promoted Islam via forcing other religions ( outside of Christianity
    and Judaism ) to be pushed aside and slowly washed away. His family
    ruled and ruled after his passing ( etc ) only for power to be ceased
    by various Arabic leaders. Ottoman happen and strongly influenced
    Catholicism.


    ..........................................................


    The problem with religion is this.

    Christianity was divided between two Romes.
    One became Catholicism, the third was Lutheran ( Protestantism )
    which is as close to the east or even original Christianity.

    Jews was enslaved and became slavers of others and themselves.
    Upper Class sects did not accept Christianity as a form of Judaism.
    Because of that many suffered in Europe.
    Post WWII Six day war was literally what Hitler wanted ( remove Jews
    from Europe ).
    Most Jews today are White ( European ).

    Islam was not Christianity, Islam was not Judaism. But it combined
    those two with Arabic values.
    It was rejected because of the following above. Despite that there are
    Islamic who keeps Christ as a
    prophet. the negativity from the Orient ( Middle East ) is because of
    the invasions by European
    powers, because of racism, and because theft of land and oil. That
    stems from the
    fall of the Ottoman Empire, because afterwards things got real bad in
    North Africa Region.
    Iran is the way it is not because of Islam but because Britannia
    wanted that Oil and used
    the US as a pon, in it's game. Making the US look bad If the royals of
    Iran had just accepted
    his political defeat and continue to work with the Iran people via
    peaceful means then
    he himself and his family might have achieved power and Iran would be
    a respectable
    place in comparison to yesterday.

    People in the far east promoted Atheism because they do not believe in
    the western ideologies
    at all. Why? Because of invasion from the west. They do believe in
    "God" ( A higher power ) but
    not the above mentioned.


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  • From Danart@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 12 15:25:33 2024
    Auric Hellman wrote:
    President Joe Biden and senior members of his national security
    team,
    seeking to contain the risk of a wider regional war following a
    barrage
    of Iranian missiles and drones directed toward Israel, have told
    their
    counterparts the US will not participate in any offensive action
    against
    Iran, according to US officials familiar with the matter.

    <continue reading


    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/biden-tells-netanyahu-us-will-not-participate-in-any-counter-strike-against-iran/ar-BB1lB3l0?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=47f04ada993a4bbabd5d485c4d0aa1ab&ei=36

    Iran warned America to stay out of it and it appears they will. I
    can't
    imagine GHW Bush backing down.



    --
    Dr. Auric D. Hellman
    [email protected]

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    This
    = should be Zionist Israel

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-Vhi4hmkKw

    Zionist Israel and all these supremacists m_$#@$@ and anybody who
    actually believes the land belongs to anybody.

    Iran, Egypt, Syria, Arabia, UAE could all storm the place till there
    is nothing. Nobody should care at all. They had there chance to get
    along and want to parade around in there godless imaginations.

    1) Telling people to run to safety and then bombing safety is wrong.
    2) Blowing up media-buildings, hospitals, television stations sounds a
    lot like Iraq and Afghanistan.
    3) Firing within and around a religious place.

    I denounce all that is wrong in this world. I denounce it all. A line
    on a map by a British fellow is not the solution
    they needed. Not even what North/South Korea should have had at all.

    View the attachments for this post at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=667358906#667358906


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