Trump is not immune from prosecution in his 2020 election interference
case, US appeals court says

A federal appeals panel ruled Tuesday that Donald Trump can face trial
on charges that he plotted to overturn the results of the 2020
election, sharply rejecting the former president's claims that he is
immune from prosecution while setting the stage for additional
challenges that could further delay the case.
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Trump's team vowed to appeal....The appeals panel, which included two appointees by President Joe Biden and one Republican-appointed judge,
gave Trump a week to ask the Supreme Court to get involved.
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Tuesday's unanimous ruling is the second time since December that
judges have held that Trump can be prosecuted for actions undertaken
while in the White House and in the run-up to Jan. 6, 2021, when a mob
of his supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-capitol-riot-presidential-immunity-appeal-46c2d7fc7807cd3262764d35e47f390e

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Quoting from an 1882 Supreme Court opinion, the DC Circuit told Trump
"No man in this country is so high that he is above the law. No
officer of the law" -- note the reminder that the president is an
"officer" -- may set that law at defiance with impunity. All the
officers of the government, from the highest to the lowest, are
creatures of the law and are bound to obey it."

https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1754906757950742843


Trump lawyers convene in private after D.C. Court of Appeals ruling
against Presidential immunity: "I told you guys not to claim that
Presidents could legally have their rivals assassinated."

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@BeschlossDC
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This is the core of the reasoning, on pages 40-41:

"At bottom, former President Trump's stance would collapse our system
of separated powers by placing the President beyond the reach of all
three Branches. Presidential immunity against federal indictment would
mean that, as to the President, the Congress could not legislate, the
Executive could not prosecute and the Judiciary could not review. We
cannot accept that the office of the Presidency places its former
occupants above the law for all time thereafter. Careful evaluation of
these concerns leads us to conclude that there is no functional
justification for immunizing former Presidents from federal
prosecution in general or for immunizing former President Trump from
the specific charges in the Indictment. In so holding, we act, "not in derogation of the separation of powers, but to maintain their proper
balance." See Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. at 754.

@tribelaw

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This is jsut nonsense. Of course he will appeal and win. The judges
realize that there would be no better way to start a civil war and
increase polarization than settin the legal precedent that judges ban politicians.

On Tue, 6 Feb 2024, JAB wrote:

Quoting from an 1882 Supreme Court opinion, the DC Circuit told Trump
"No man in this country is so high that he is above the law. No
officer of the law" -- note the reminder that the president is an
"officer" -- may set that law at defiance with impunity. All the
officers of the government, from the highest to the lowest, are
creatures of the law and are bound to obey it."

https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1754906757950742843

Trump lawyers convene in private after D.C. Court of Appeals ruling
against Presidential immunity: "I told you guys not to claim that
Presidents could legally have their rivals assassinated."

PIC
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFsSbpJXUAArXaT.jpg

@BeschlossDC
=================================================

This is the core of the reasoning, on pages 40-41:

"At bottom, former President Trump's stance would collapse our system
of separated powers by placing the President beyond the reach of all
three Branches. Presidential immunity against federal indictment would
mean that, as to the President, the Congress could not legislate, the Executive could not prosecute and the Judiciary could not review. We
cannot accept that the office of the Presidency places its former
occupants above the law for all time thereafter. Careful evaluation of
these concerns leads us to conclude that there is no functional
justification for immunizing former Presidents from federal
prosecution in general or for immunizing former President Trump from
the specific charges in the Indictment. In so holding, we act, "not in derogation of the separation of powers, but to maintain their proper balance." See Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. at 754.

@tribelaw

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On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 11:31:15 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

This is jsut nonsense. Of course he will appeal and win.

Not in the judicial way...

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On Wed, 7 Feb 2024, JAB wrote:

On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 11:31:15 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

This is jsut nonsense. Of course he will appeal and win.

Not in the judicial way...

I believe he will run for president and win. Care to bet?

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On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 17:28:03 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

I believe he will run for president and win. Care to bet?

Two different court matters can defeat Trump

1. Trump is not immune from prosecution in his 2020 election
interference case, US appeals court says

https://apnews.com/article/trump-capitol-riot-presidential-immunity-appeal-46c2d7fc7807cd3262764d35e47f390e


2. Supreme Court to hear Trump 14th Amendment case arguments ========================
"We may get a fairly quick decision, especially if the justices plan
to say Trump can be disqualified by a state," said Richard Hasen, who
teaches at UCLA Law.

A decision "could come any time between [today] and the end of June in
theory," Hasen told MarketWatch by email, noting that the court set an expedited briefing and argument section. ========================================

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On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 23:20:33 +0100, "Blueshirt"
<[email protected]> wrote:

It happens to us all.

John B. Goodenough would disagree.

July 25, 1922 - June 25, 2023

He was still coming into work well into his 90s. For him, there was no
reason not to. "Don't retire too early!" Goodenough told the Nobel
Foundation and others. It was advice he frequently gave and certainly
followed.

https://news.utexas.edu/2023/06/26/ut-mourns-lithium-ion-battery-inventor-and-nobel-prize-recipient-john-goodenough/

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D wrote:

I believe he will run for president and win. Care to bet?

It depends on who his opponent is. After the report today I don't
see how Biden can run again... he's clearly not fit for office.

Not that it's Joe Biden's fault his memory is not what it was. It's
just simple old age. It happens to us all. But should Biden really
be the person in charge of those red buttons?!!

If it does end up being Joe Biden v Donald Trump on November 5th, my
money would be on Trump. I'm just glad I am not in the US though as
it's not a great choice. I believe the term is lose/lose!

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On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 23:20:33 +0100, "Blueshirt"
<[email protected]> wrote:

After the report today I don't see how Biden
can run again... he's clearly not fit for office.

Drinking the political Kool-Aid?

"The report from Hur -- who previously appointed by former President
Donald Trump as one of the country's top federal prosecutors"


This below represents "hearsay" at best....

"Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully
retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency
when he was a private citizen," the report said, but added that the
evidence "does not establish Mr. Biden's guilt beyond a reasonable
doubt."

More bullshit....piled high and deep, for news bytes...

"Biden's practices "present serious risks to national security" and
added that part of the reason he wouldn't charge Biden was that the
president could portray himself as an "elderly man with a poor memory"
who would be sympathetic to a jury."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/special-counsel-says-evidence-biden-willfully-retained-disclosed-class-rcna96666'


PS: Hur has not determined if Biden has "poor memory," he's
speculating.

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JAB wrote:

PS: Hur has not determined if Biden has "poor memory," he's
speculating.

The world doesn't need to speculate, YouTube is full of his gaffes!

Just this week Joe Biden mixed up Macron with Mitterand, followed a
few days later by mixing up Helmut Kohl with Angela Merkel, so
that's not exactly a sign of compos mentis!

Well, unless he really does see "dead people"!

It's old age, plain and simple. I don't blame him, but he's hardly a
man fit for office for another four years.

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On Thu, 8 Feb 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

D wrote:

I believe he will run for president and win. Care to bet?

It depends on who his opponent is. After the report today I don't
see how Biden can run again... he's clearly not fit for office.

Not that it's Joe Biden's fault his memory is not what it was. It's
just simple old age. It happens to us all. But should Biden really
be the person in charge of those red buttons?!!

If it does end up being Joe Biden v Donald Trump on November 5th, my
money would be on Trump. I'm just glad I am not in the US though as
it's not a great choice. I believe the term is lose/lose!

You raise a very interesting point! Since there is so little time left,
will the democrat push the "emergency button" and find someone else? In my opinion, it would be so easy for the democrats to win.

Would they just choose a center/right leaning democrat around 45 years old
who is just sane and polite, I'm 100% certain that they would win.

If they insist on Biden, Trump will win, no question about that.

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On Thu, 8 Feb 2024, JAB wrote:

On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 17:28:03 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

I believe he will run for president and win. Care to bet?

Two different court matters can defeat Trump

1. Trump is not immune from prosecution in his 2020 election
interference case, US appeals court says

https://apnews.com/article/trump-capitol-riot-presidential-immunity-appeal-46c2d7fc7807cd3262764d35e47f390e

2. Supreme Court to hear Trump 14th Amendment case arguments

I believe that either the courts will judge in his favour after appeal, or
that they will symbolically give him a slap on the wrist.

Why the second?

I believe the supreme court would be afraid of riots and civil war if they
were seen as blocking a candidate that 30% of the population thinks is democratically elected, won the electrion etc. etc.

I also think they are afraid of setting a precedent that would enable
future politicians to legally block competitors.

Come on, I still offer a bet with meaningless characters on the screen in
the pot! ;) Alternatively a beer if I ever meet you, which I think is very unlikely but I think I'll have to go to the US in 2025, so you never know.
;)

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On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:17:30 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

2. Supreme Court to hear Trump 14th Amendment case arguments

Why the second?

I believe the supreme court would be afraid of riots and civil war...

Yesterday, it appears the majority will not address the issue at hand,
and may decide to evade the insurrection issue.

Riots/Civil-War...I doubt it in US.

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On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 09:34:57 +0100, "Blueshirt"
<[email protected]> wrote:

It's old age, plain and simple.

February 8, 2024

Donald Trump said on Thursday that the Capitol attack on Jan. 6 was an insurrection caused by Nancy Pelosi.

The former president contradicted his lawyers by describing the day's
events as attempt to overthrow the government ... "caused by Nancy
Pelosi"

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-says-jan-6-insurrection-1234964730/

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On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 23:20:33 +0100, "Blueshirt"
<[email protected]> wrote:

It's just simple old age

Literally an hour after Biden says the President of Egypt is the
President of Mexico Trump says the Prime Minister of Hungary is the
President of Turkey. amazing

https://twitter.com/ArmandDoma/status/1755787133024079973

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On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:17:30 +0100, D <[email protected]> wrote:

I believe the supreme court

Here's the relevant issue?

"Last year, justices on Colorado's Supreme Court disqualified Mr Trump
under the scope of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which holds that
"no person" can hold any office, "civil or military, under the United
States", if they "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the
same"

Either SCOTUS will deal with this issue, or evade it.

All SCOTUS members know what went down Jan 6....

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JAB wrote:

On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 23:20:33 +0100, "Blueshirt"
<[email protected]> wrote:

It's just simple old age

Literally an hour after Biden says the President of Egypt is the
President of Mexico Trump says the Prime Minister of Hungary is the
President of Turkey. amazing

https://twitter.com/ArmandDoma/status/1755787133024079973

That could well be us one day! ;-)

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On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 22:27:23 +0100, "Blueshirt"
<[email protected]> wrote:

That could well be us one day! ;-)

I believe Biden still knows who the bad characters are, but Trump sees characters in terms of "lets make a deal" for me. There's the rub.

When a person has met thousands of people, not getting a name right is
not uncommon. Regardless, when POTUS meets some person formally,
they are most likely brief with background info, etc.


I believe we all experience this...we see a face, and forgot who that
was. Best way to remember a person's name is to always repeat their
name every time whoever is encountered.

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On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 23:20:33 +0100, "Blueshirt"
<[email protected]> wrote:

It happens to us all. But should Biden really
be the person in charge of those red buttons?!!

It's normal for older brains to have more difficulty retaining new
information and then retrieving the information, but mental processes
like decision-making and judgment can actually improve with age, said
Dr. Thomas Wisniewski, director of NYU Langone Health's Alzheimer's
Disease Research Center and its Center for Cognitive Neurology.

"Although the raw power of memory has some degree of decline, perhaps
wisdom can increase because the individual has a greater backlog of
experiences and different situations as to what is the best thing to
do," Wisniewski said.

The problem isn't having trouble remembering names or calling someone
by the wrong name, but when someone's memory is fuzzy about recent or
past experiences, said Newhouse. Issues with episodic memory -- memory
for events in time or if a person doesn't remember going shopping, for
example -- can be a sign of a progressive disorder, but not always.

Wisniewski said he becomes concerned when people don't even recognize
that they are forgetting things.

"They forgot that they went shopping and they're unaware that they've forgotten," he said.

Overall, neurologists tend to worry less about a patient's ability to
remember remote memories from many years ago and more troubled by an
inability to recall more recent events. That's because dementia first
affects the part of the brain that's responsible for short-term
memories, as opposed to long-term memories, said Newhouse.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/bidens-memory-issues-draw-attention-neurologists-weigh-rcna138135

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