• Israeli Cabinet approves truce for hostages deal with Hamas

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 22 10:08:10 2023
    WHAS11
    Israeli Cabinet approves truce for hostages deal with Hamas;
    Palestinian prisoners also to be freed
    ====================

    Israel's Supreme Court will review any petitions against the deal.
    After that, some hostages, likely to be mostly children, could start
    coming home by Thursday.

    The deal, however, is hardly the stuff of unalloyed joy - for
    Palestinians or for Israel.

    The war is not over. And the deal arguably strengthens Hamas, allowing
    it to claim credit, catch its breath and regroup. Whatever
    Palestinians feel toward the organization that unleashed this round of
    fighting - and we will not hear many in Gaza now openly criticize
    Hamas - there's little question that as long as this group remains in
    power, the future looks bleak for Gazans.

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/22/opinions/israel-hamas-hostage-deal-ghitis/index.html

    Gazans (Palestinians) are getting fucked due to Hamas's objectives.

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Nov 22 20:03:08 2023
    On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:08:10 -0600
    JAB <[email protected]d> wrote:

    WHAS11
    Israeli Cabinet approves truce for hostages deal with Hamas;
    Palestinian prisoners also to be freed
    ====================

    Israel's Supreme Court will review any petitions against the deal.
    After that, some hostages, likely to be mostly children, could start
    coming home by Thursday.

    The deal, however, is hardly the stuff of unalloyed joy - for
    Palestinians or for Israel.

    The war is not over. And the deal arguably strengthens Hamas, allowing
    it to claim credit, catch its breath and regroup. Whatever
    Palestinians feel toward the organization that unleashed this round of fighting - and we will not hear many in Gaza now openly criticize
    Hamas - there's little question that as long as this group remains in
    power, the future looks bleak for Gazans.

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/22/opinions/israel-hamas-hostage-deal-ghitis/index.html

    Gazans (Palestinians) are getting fucked due to Hamas's objectives.


    Might the Israeli response of slaughtering 3 times as many people
    (current estimate, likely to go up), invading hospitals, destroying
    civilian infra-structure, starvation tactics, etc not be seen as a bit
    OTT?


    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Nov 22 16:00:06 2023
    On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:03:08 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    etc not be seen as a bit OTT?

    Having a civilized war with morals?



    ==================
    The Ethics of Bombing

    The subject of air bombardment is seldom discussed objectively and
    reasonably. It arouses all kinds of illogical antagonisms and
    emotional responses. Even when used against a leaking and derelict
    tanker aground near the Scillies, napalm bombs cause shudders of
    horror.

    These irrational feelings are strongest among the young and the
    so-called progressives, and are usually directly proportional to their ignorance of the subject. When these people descend to the level of
    rational argument, the commonest objection to air bombardment is that
    it involves civilians in war, whereas they have a right to be treated
    as noncombatants.

    Civilian populations have always, to a degree, been involved in
    hostilities. A glance at the history of war will suffice to make this
    clear.

    From the earliest days of civilization, cities and towns have been
    besieged, bombarded, sacked, pillaged, and burned. Often their
    defenders, and sometimes also their civilian inhabitants, were
    slaughtered or driven off into slavery. Land battles are not fought in
    deserts but over the countryside, across farms, houses, orchards, and
    gardens, the property and homes of civilians who have to flee for
    their lives.

    https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Journals/Military-Review/Directors-Select-Articles/The-Ethics-of-Bombing/

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Nov 22 20:29:46 2023
    On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:08:10 -0600, JAB <[email protected]d> wrote:

    WHAS11
    Israeli Cabinet approves truce for hostages deal with Hamas;
    Palestinian prisoners also to be freed


    Hamas didn't suddenly develop a conscience. It's begging for a
    breather because it's getting clobbered.

    https://twitter.com/EylonALevy/status/1727071596001833454

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