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  • Gmail blocks 15 billion unwanted emails per day

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 3 18:53:11 2023
    Gmail to enforce harsher rules in 2024 to keep spam from users'
    inboxes

    Google today is announcing a series of significant changes to how it
    handles email from bulk senders in an effort to cut down on spam and
    other unwanted emails. The company says that starting next year, bulk
    senders will need to authenticate their emails, offer an easy way to unsubscribe and stay under a reported spam threshold.

    The changes will impact any bulk sender, which Google defines as those
    who send more than 5,000 messages to Gmail addresses in one day. That
    could include virtually any business with a decently-sized mailing
    list, from large retailers to big tech companies to even smaller
    startups and B2C companies or newsletter writers looking to market
    themselves through email messaging.

    Google claims that it already leverages AI technology to stop more
    than 99.9% of spam, phishing and malware from reaching users' inboxes,
    and it blocks 15 billion unwanted emails per day. But as technology
    improves, so must Google's defenses for its now 20-year-old email
    system.

    https://techcrunch.com/2023/10/03/gmail-to-enforce-harsher-rules-in-2024-to-keep-spam-from-users-inboxes/

    20-year-old email

    It was by invite only in beginning days...which is when I started
    using Gmail.

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  • From rdh@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 4 09:20:08 2023
    The whole thing is laughable, because it's my experience that most spam
    comes FROM Gmail. I remember in days gone by, some companies would say
    things like, ``we do not accept email from hotmail addresses due to
    spam.'' I really wish we could do that today with Gmail.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to rdh on Wed Oct 4 11:18:13 2023
    On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 09:20:08 -0500, rdh <[email protected]ute> wrote:

    ....it's my experience that most spam comes FROM Gmail.

    Spam/etc never has been an issue in my experiences with Gmail. I've
    never posted my Gmail addresses online, and I use unique email names.

    In earlier days when smaller ISPs setup spam/etc filtering, it tended
    to be a joke...legit emails tossed into spam folder, and users had to
    fetch them.

    If an ISP rejected false email addresses by sending a notice to the
    spammer, then the spammer knew which names were valid, and which were
    not.

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  • From Mike Spencer@21:1/5 to rdh on Wed Oct 4 16:46:24 2023
    rdh <[email protected]ute> writes:

    The whole thing is laughable, because it's my experience that most spam
    comes FROM Gmail. I remember in days gone by, some companies would say
    things like, ``we do not accept email from hotmail addresses due to
    spam.'' I really wish we could do that today with Gmail.

    Factoidal data point: Nearly 100% of my spam in the last year has
    originated from servers in Eastern Europe -- .PL, .RO, .RU, .TR -- or
    from servers in UK or Germany with address blocks assigned to those
    domains.

    --
    Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Oct 6 17:47:53 2023
    On 10/3/2023 7:53 PM, JAB wrote:
    Gmail to enforce harsher rules in 2024 to keep spam from users'
    inboxes

    Google today is announcing a series of significant changes to how it
    handles email from bulk senders in an effort to cut down on spam and
    other unwanted emails.

    It would be nice if they prevented Google Groups spam, but they don't
    care enough.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Oct 6 20:10:02 2023
    On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 17:47:53 -0400, Michael Trew
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    prevented Google Groups spam

    I don't know what this is...in reference to this?

    https://groups.google.com/g/misc.news.internet.discuss

    If so, I'm not aware of extra spam there....which is not here.

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  • From rdh@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Oct 7 00:31:30 2023
    On 10/6/23 20:10, JAB wrote:
    On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 17:47:53 -0400, Michael Trew
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    prevented Google Groups spam

    I don't know what this is...in reference to this?

    https://groups.google.com/g/misc.news.internet.discuss

    If so, I'm not aware of extra spam there....which is not here.

    This group has been mostly spared from it, but a lot of Usenet spam
    comes from Google Groups. I think comp.lang.c (might be wrong, I don't
    follow that group) has been under a really intense spam campaign going
    through Google Groups lately. comp.os.linux.misc has also been getting a
    bit, but not an incredible amount.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to rdh on Sat Oct 7 05:47:24 2023
    On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 00:31:30 -0500, rdh <[email protected]ute> wrote:

    This group has been mostly spared from it, but a
    lot of Usenet spam comes from Google Groups.

    This can be seen on Google's server

    https://groups.google.com/g/misc.news.internet.discuss/c/g_DykY7JcFc/m/G2rHTmswAgAJ

    but I don't recall seeing it via news.eternal-september.org's server.
    Perhaps news.eternal-september.org does not post this spam
    (advertising).


    When I attempt to see the original message (Show original message) at
    Google's server, I see this:
    "Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the
    view member email addresses permission to view the original message."

    It makes no difference if logged in or not....so apparently, seeing
    the header info is not allowed for all posts there. I have no idea
    what "or you need the view member email addresses permission to view
    the original message" means (when I'm logged on).

    Years ago, Feb 12, 2001

    Google Buys Deja Archive
    The search engine company buys Deja.com's usenet newsgroup archive.
    While users are happy the archive will live on, they aren't thrilled
    that postings before August 2000 are taken offline while Google
    incorporates the database. https://www.wired.com/2001/02/google-buys-deja-archive/

    Google bought Deja for a reason (to make a profit), but apparently news.eternal-september.org is filtering out this advertising/etc.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Oct 7 14:41:25 2023
    JAB wrote:

    On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 00:31:30 -0500, rdh <[email protected]ute> wrote:

    This group has been mostly spared from it, but a
    lot of Usenet spam comes from Google Groups.

    This can be seen on Google's server


    https://groups.google.com/g/misc.news.internet.discuss/c/g_DykY7JcFc/m/G2rHTmswAgAJ

    but I don't recall seeing it via news.eternal-september.org's server.
    Perhaps news.eternal-september.org does not post this spam
    (advertising).

    All news servers use a variety of filters to block recognised spam. So
    not every message posted to Usenet gets seen because of the responsible
    actions of those news servers. However, a lot of Google Groups spam does
    still make it through so it's up to individual users to then block that
    spam if they'd rather not see it as Google don't care about Usenet.

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to rdh on Sun Oct 8 09:34:10 2023
    On 10/7/2023 1:31 AM, rdh wrote:
    On 10/6/23 20:10, JAB wrote:
    On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 17:47:53 -0400, Michael Trew
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    prevented Google Groups spam

    I don't know what this is...in reference to this?

    https://groups.google.com/g/misc.news.internet.discuss

    If so, I'm not aware of extra spam there....which is not here.

    This group has been mostly spared from it, but a lot of Usenet spam
    comes from Google Groups. I think comp.lang.c (might be wrong, I don't
    follow that group) has been under a really intense spam campaign going through Google Groups lately. comp.os.linux.misc has also been getting a
    bit, but not an incredible amount.

    Yes, exactly... Most Usenet spam now comes from Google Group posters.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Oct 8 10:47:24 2023
    On Sun, 08 Oct 2023 09:34:10 -0400, Michael Trew
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Most Usenet spam now comes from Google Group posters.

    Aside - In landlord business, deadbeats attempt to rent from Mom/Pop
    landlords since "commercial" landlords typically do a background
    check.

    Most likely the same with Usenet "ISPs," but via posting on Google,
    they can come again with a name change and post/post more spam.

    I suspect others can react faster to spammers. Google does offer a
    means to report spam/etc....I doubt Google wants spam, but their
    policies might not be sufficient enough. Usenet may not make enough
    money for them to have adequate staffing.

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon Oct 9 09:33:20 2023
    On 10/8/2023 11:47 AM, JAB wrote:
    I suspect others can react faster to spammers. Google does offer a
    means to report spam/etc....I doubt Google wants spam, but their
    policies might not be sufficient enough. Usenet may not make enough
    money for them to have adequate staffing.

    I've heard this, but you have to be a Google Group subscriber to report
    spam. Many real Usenet providers will allow anyone to report someone,
    but if you aren't a "GGrouper", they don't care what their servers are
    sending out. In fact, some users have told me that Google doesn't seem
    to care even when they report spam. Likely, you hit the nail on the
    head... "No profit", so they don't care.

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