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  • Ukraine turns the tables on Moscow

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 1 12:28:54 2023
    CNBC
    'The war is coming home to Russia': Ukraine turns the tables on Moscow
    as drone warfare intensifies
    ========================

    Russia says it shot down 281 Ukrainian drones over the past week

    Russia's defence ministry on Friday said it had destroyed a total of
    281 Ukrainian drones over the past week.

    https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230901-%F0%9F%94%B4-live-russian-missile-hits-central-ukraine-as-moscow-reports-drone-attacks


    Putin might press the nuke button.....

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Sep 1 19:35:44 2023
    On Fri, 01 Sep 2023 12:28:54 -0500
    JAB <[email protected]d> wrote:

    CNBC
    'The war is coming home to Russia': Ukraine turns the tables on Moscow
    as drone warfare intensifies
    ========================

    Russia says it shot down 281 Ukrainian drones over the past week

    Russia's defence ministry on Friday said it had destroyed a total of
    281 Ukrainian drones over the past week.

    That sounds expensive.

    https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230901-%F0%9F%94%B4-live-russian-missile-hits-central-ukraine-as-moscow-reports-drone-attacks


    Putin might press the nuke button.....

    I think it just means Ukraine aren't getting anywhere on the land battle,
    so are trying something different for publicity.

    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 1 19:12:25 2023
    On Fri, 1 Sep 2023 19:35:44 +0100, "Kerr-Mudd, John" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    I think it just means Ukraine aren't getting anywhere on the land battle,
    so are trying something different for publicity.

    Retribution - comes from the Latin for giving back what's due, either
    reward or punishment.

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to John" on Sat Sep 2 09:58:01 2023
    On Fri, 1 Sep 2023 19:35:44 +0100
    "Kerr-Mudd, John" <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Fri, 01 Sep 2023 12:28:54 -0500
    JAB <[email protected]d> wrote:

    CNBC
    'The war is coming home to Russia': Ukraine turns the tables on Moscow
    as drone warfare intensifies
    ========================

    Russia says it shot down 281 Ukrainian drones over the past week

    Russia's defence ministry on Friday said it had destroyed a total of
    281 Ukrainian drones over the past week.

    That sounds expensive.

    Agreed. Also sounds inept. Theatrics? Making Moscovites afraid? Did
    they stop 281 while another 29 struck their targets? Or did the
    Russians make a mockery of the attack, shooting down every single one?

    Putin might press the nuke button.....

    I think it just means Ukraine aren't getting anywhere on the land battle,
    so are trying something different for publicity.

    Also, with Wagner Group leadership now a smouldering pile of ashes, I'd
    suspect Putin is feeling pretty darned good about things. Probably put
    a little spring in his step. Next steps should be confiscating Wagner
    Group's assets and bank accounts (that should finance some more
    weapons) and going back to the blistering war of attrition, waiting for
    the American political cycle to bring in a crew that's tired of
    financing Ukraine military action.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 2 10:56:09 2023
    On Sat, 2 Sep 2023 09:58:01 -0400, Retrograde <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    I'd suspect Putin is feeling pretty darned good about things.

    He's mentioning the nuke option recently...

    see video

    https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230901-%F0%9F%94%B4-live-russian-missile-hits-central-ukraine-as-moscow-reports-drone-attacks

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 3 06:24:37 2023
    On Fri, 1 Sep 2023 19:35:44 +0100, "Kerr-Mudd, John" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    I think it just means Ukraine aren't getting anywhere on the land battle

    Ukrainian forces have decisively breached Russia's first defensive
    line near Zaporizhzhia after weeks of painstaking mine clearance, and
    expect faster gains as they press the weaker second line, the general
    leading the southern counteroffensive has said.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/02/everything-is-ahead-of-us-ukraine-breaks-russias-first-line-of-defence-in-stronghold

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to JAB on Sun Sep 3 17:44:19 2023
    On Sun, 03 Sep 2023 06:24:37 -0500
    JAB <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On Fri, 1 Sep 2023 19:35:44 +0100, "Kerr-Mudd, John" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    I think it just means Ukraine aren't getting anywhere on the land battle

    Ukrainian forces have decisively breached Russia's first defensive
    line near Zaporizhzhia after weeks of painstaking mine clearance, and
    expect faster gains as they press the weaker second line, the general
    leading the southern counteroffensive has said.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/02/everything-is-ahead-of-us-ukraine-breaks-russias-first-line-of-defence-in-stronghold

    Maybe. It looks a bit late for a victory this year, though. Which means
    more reinforcing of defenses by the Russians over winter.

    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 4 19:51:25 2023
    On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 17:44:19 +0100, "Kerr-Mudd, John" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Maybe.

    "If the Biden administration is interested in ending this war," Gen
    Arnold told me, "then it will provide the long-range weapons (ATACMS,
    Harpoon missiles, Reapers, F-16s), more M113 armored personnel
    carriers, Bradley Fighting Vehicles and Abrams tanks."

    https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/1698660275728077203

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to JAB on Tue Sep 5 08:10:55 2023
    On Mon, 04 Sep 2023 19:51:25 -0500
    JAB <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 17:44:19 +0100, "Kerr-Mudd, John" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Maybe.

    "If the Biden administration is interested in ending this war," Gen
    Arnold told me, "then it will provide the long-range weapons (ATACMS,
    Harpoon missiles, Reapers, F-16s), more M113 armored personnel
    carriers, Bradley Fighting Vehicles and Abrams tanks."

    https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/1698660275728077203

    Are you (or the quoted person) saying the US is happy to keep the war
    going? A lot of wars could be prevented/ended early with enough will, but
    ISTM that instability in many parts of Africa was deliberate 'cold' war
    policy by both sides.

    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 5 10:57:34 2023
    On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 08:10:55 +0100, "Kerr-Mudd, John" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Are you (or the quoted person) saying the US is happy to keep the war
    going?

    Most likely a political decision to not fully arm.

    During Vietnam "conflict," the Generals could not do this/that, so
    they could not fully engage.

    If Biden wins 2024 election, there might be more "tools" available.

    If a Republican, more tools may not be available. Trump wanted to
    "fuck them," so he could build a hotel in Moscow.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 5 21:26:32 2023
    On Fri, 1 Sep 2023 19:35:44 +0100, "Kerr-Mudd, John" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    I think it just means Ukraine aren't getting
    anywhere on the land battle


    To Slow The Ukrainian Counteroffensive, the Russian Army Quadrupled
    The Size Of Its Minefields

    As the long-anticipated Ukrainian counteroffensive kicked off across
    southern Ukraine in early June, Russian commanders made an important
    adjustment to their defensive doctrine--one that had an immediate and
    profound effect on the Ukrainians' operations.

    The Russians quadrupled the depth of their defensive minefields, from
    120 meters to 500 meters--and also increased the density of mines
    within the expanded fields.

    So as the Ukrainians attacked along several axes in Zaporizhzhia and
    Donetsk Oblasts, they soon rolled into minefields that were far wider
    than they may have anticipated--and wider than their standard
    mineclearing equipment could handle. A UR-77 explosive line-charge
    typically clears a lane around 100 meters long.

    This mismatch, between the Russians' new mine doctrine and the
    Ukrainians' old mineclearing doctrine, helps to explain why the counteroffensive is making gains, but far more slowly than some
    observers expected.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/09/05/to-slow-the-ukrainian-counteroffensive-the-russian-army-quadrupled-the-size-of-its-minefields/?sh=368c9dad69e8

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  • From rdh@21:1/5 to John on Wed Sep 6 00:19:18 2023
    On 9/5/23 02:10, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
    Are you (or the quoted person) saying the US is happy to keep the war
    going? A lot of wars could be prevented/ended early with enough will, but ISTM that instability in many parts of Africa was deliberate 'cold' war policy by both sides.


    I'm sure Raytheon is happy to keep the war going on, and what makes
    Raytheon happy makes it's political arm (The United States) happy.

    --
    ~rdh

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 6 05:12:58 2023
    On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 17:44:19 +0100, "Kerr-Mudd, John" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Maybe.


    Someone who is a senior defense analyst made these comments on X, but
    to read all of this person's comments, a reader must login. (A reader
    use to be able to read all comments in a topic, but Musk changed this
    so only the first post is seen)

    https://twitter.com/BrynnTannehill/status/1699107038217871453


    In short, Russia made a huge effort in a barrier protection setup <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/03/russia-ukraine-war-at-a-glance-what-we-know-on-day-557-of-the-invasion>

    Comments on a Forbes article - "Despite the headline in the Forbes
    article, it is unclear how much reserve Russia has, and where. Because
    there is near troop parity in country, RU can pull troops from one
    area to defend another as they did with the 76th."

    Forbes article
    Russia Has Deployed Its Last Reserve Division To Southern Ukraine. Did
    A Ukrainian Screw-Up Make That Possible? <https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/09/01/russia-has-deployed-its-last-reserve-division-to-southern-ukraine-did-a-ukrainian-screw-up-make-that-possible/?sh=1b17aa3c16dd>

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 05:41:50 2023
    On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 17:44:19 +0100, "Kerr-Mudd, John" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    It looks a bit late for a victory this year,

    Maybe related to Musk's behavior...

    ================================================================


    Elon Musk 'committed evil' with Starlink order, says Ukrainian
    official

    Ukrainian presidential adviser says deaths of civilians 'the price of
    a cocktail of ignorance and big ego'
    ...
    ...
    "By not allowing Ukrainian drones to destroy part of the Russian fleet
    via Starlink interference, @elonmusk allowed this fleet to fire Kalibr
    missiles at Ukrainian cities. As a result, civilians, and children are
    being killed," Podolyak wrote.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/08/elon-musk-committed-evil-starlink-order-ukraine

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