• POTUS tariff liberation day

    From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 29 06:58:17 2025
    May well go down in history as May 28th 2025 :)

    Is the tariff case onwards and upwards to SCOTUS ?

    Will they have to rule in the next 10 days before the administration has
    to remove tariffs ?

    Will the administration just ignore the court, and POTUS pardon any
    individual held in contempt ?

    Was this development a surprise to anyone ?

    Or is this the moment where judges find themselves being run out of town
    by a mob of MAGA faithful.

    How would the US public react to a headline of mugshots of the judges and
    the headline "ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE" ?

    Who needs Netflix or Amazon ?

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  • From Rick@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 29 12:18:56 2025
    On 5/29/2025 9:58 AM, Jethro_uk wrote:
    May well go down in history as May 28th 2025 :)

    Is the tariff case onwards and upwards to SCOTUS ?

    Will they have to rule in the next 10 days before the administration has
    to remove tariffs ?

    Will the administration just ignore the court, and POTUS pardon any individual held in contempt ?

    Was this development a surprise to anyone ?

    Or is this the moment where judges find themselves being run out of town
    by a mob of MAGA faithful.

    How would the US public react to a headline of mugshots of the judges and
    the headline "ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE" ?

    Who needs Netflix or Amazon ?


    I don't think the ruling was a surprise, especially considering the wide
    scale nature of the tariffs. I think the courts recognize the
    president's right to declare tariffs in a national emergency like a
    steel shortage, but this goes well beyond that. A deficiency of the
    original law may be that it is too vague in defining what would
    constitute an emergency. I believe it only mentions "unusual and
    extraordinary threat" without even giving good examples.

    The courts have traditionally been pretty lenient as past presidents
    have used the law to justify actions in places like Iran, Syria and
    North Korea, but this case clearly goes well beyond that as the
    President has imposed tariffs on friendly countries like Mexico and
    Canada which theoretically are of no threat to us. The Supreme Court
    will almost certainly step in quickly and the president will almost
    certainly comply. With pretty much a 3-3-3 split or perhaps a 4-2-3
    split on the court between conservative, moderate and liberal (with
    Roberts and Barrett as the key moderate votes and sometimes Kavanaugh),
    There is no way to predict how they will decide.

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 29 14:23:50 2025
    Overtaken by events, I see the batsignal has gone out to SCOTUS.

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 29 14:23:18 2025
    According to Jethro_uk <[email protected]>:
    May well go down in history as May 28th 2025 :)

    Is the tariff case onwards and upwards to SCOTUS ?

    It's already been appealed to the Federal Circuit, so that seems likely.

    Will they have to rule in the next 10 days before the administration has
    to remove tariffs ?

    The government has applied to both the trial court and the circuit for
    a stay. The trial court has asked the plaintiffs to reply by tomorrow,
    I would guess so they can rule within 10 days. The Circuit has said
    something noncommittal so I expect they're watching to see what happens.

    Will the administration just ignore the court, and POTUS pardon any >individual held in contempt ?

    Who knows? What happens if some customs agent says pay the tariff,
    and the importer ignores him and drives off with their container?

    Was this development a surprise to anyone ?

    A lot of us didn't expect the court to show so much spine. One of the
    judges in the case was appointed by Trump himself.

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  • From Roy@21:1/5 to John Levine on Thu May 29 14:42:27 2025
    On 5/29/2025 2:23 PM, John Levine wrote:
    ...

    Who knows? What happens if some customs agent says pay the tariff,
    and the importer ignores him and drives off with their container?

    ...

    Imported goods go into a bonded area A customs bonded warehouse is a
    secure, regulated facility where imported goods can be stored,
    manipulated, or undergo manufacturing operations without immediately
    paying import duties. This allows businesses to defer duty payments
    until the goods are released for domestic consumption or export.

    Many years ago my father worked at an NYC landfill on Staten Island.
    There was shipment of several hundred small Sony TVs that was being
    imported but the buyer said they were defective and wouldn't pay for
    them. The trucks arrived at the landfill and dumped the TVs on the
    ground as the customs people watched as the bulldozer ran back and forth
    over them.

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to Roy on Fri May 30 07:57:40 2025
    On Thu, 29 May 2025 14:42:27 -0700, Roy wrote:

    On 5/29/2025 2:23 PM, John Levine wrote:
    ...

    Who knows? What happens if some customs agent says pay the tariff,
    and the importer ignores him and drives off with their container?

    ...

    Imported goods go into a bonded area A customs bonded warehouse is a
    secure, regulated facility where imported goods can be stored,
    manipulated, or undergo manufacturing operations without immediately
    paying import duties. This allows businesses to defer duty payments
    until the goods are released for domestic consumption or export.

    Many years ago my father worked at an NYC landfill on Staten Island.
    There was shipment of several hundred small Sony TVs that was being
    imported but the buyer said they were defective and wouldn't pay for
    them. The trucks arrived at the landfill and dumped the TVs on the
    ground as the customs people watched as the bulldozer ran back and forth
    over them.

    Reminds me of my first visit to the US. Landing at Newark, I had a big
    bottle of Scotch as a present for my friend. Customs official pointed out
    that at whatever it was, it was over the prescribed quantity per
    traveller.

    He left it and waved me out wishing me a good day and stay just saying
    with a smile "If this was Los Angeles they would have poured it away in
    front of you."

    Since the duty free damn well knew I was flying to the US, I was annoyed
    they didn't point out I was buying something "dodgy".

    Had a soft spot for New Jersey ever since. (I guess someone has to :) )

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 30 16:23:35 2025
    According to Jethro_uk <[email protected]>:
    Reminds me of my first visit to the US. Landing at Newark, I had a big
    bottle of Scotch as a present for my friend. Customs official pointed out >that at whatever it was, it was over the prescribed quantity per
    traveller.

    He left it and waved me out wishing me a good day and stay just saying
    with a smile "If this was Los Angeles they would have poured it away in
    front of you."

    He didn't mention that if you'd paid the duty, probably on the order of $5,
    you could keep it? Hm, wonder why he forgot to tell you that.

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to John Levine on Sat May 31 08:20:31 2025
    On Fri, 30 May 2025 16:23:35 -0700, John Levine wrote:

    According to Jethro_uk <[email protected]>:
    Reminds me of my first visit to the US. Landing at Newark, I had a big >>bottle of Scotch as a present for my friend. Customs official pointed
    out that at whatever it was, it was over the prescribed quantity per >>traveller.

    He left it and waved me out wishing me a good day and stay just saying
    with a smile "If this was Los Angeles they would have poured it away in >>front of you."

    He didn't mention that if you'd paid the duty, probably on the order of
    $5,
    you could keep it? Hm, wonder why he forgot to tell you that.

    It was a while ago ... my first visit, and I had already had to deal with
    the nice immigration lady at Heathrow. (They had set up their booth
    outside the tunnel into the plane. I remember being slightly amused at
    the size of the seal of the US that was on top of the booth. It suggested
    to me the US was suprisingly insecure.)

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