As far as I can tell, pardons only protect against criminal charges.
Nothing prevents a civil suit or a congressional investigation, In
addition, I would think a person could be called to testify before a
grand jury and would not be protected by the 5th amendment,
As far as I can tell, pardons only protect against criminal charges.
Nothing prevents a civil suit or a congressional investigation, In addition, I would think a person could be called to testify before a
grand jury and would not be protected by the 5th amendment,
Roy wrote:
As far as I can tell, pardons only protect against criminal charges.
Nothing prevents a civil suit or a congressional investigation, In
addition, I would think a person could be called to testify before a
grand jury and would not be protected by the 5th amendment,
What are the implications if someone subject to those civil motions was outside the jurisdiction ?
Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:
Roy wrote:
As far as I can tell, pardons only protect against criminal charges.
Nothing prevents a civil suit or a congressional investigation, In
addition, I would think a person could be called to testify before a
grand jury and would not be protected by the 5th amendment,
What are the implications if someone subject to those civil motions was
outside the jurisdiction ?
Depends on what you mean. When someone does something in one
jurisdiction that causes damage in another, he can be sued in that other jurisdiction, and even charged criminally, depending on exactly what it
was.
Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:was
Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:
Roy wrote:
As far as I can tell, pardons only protect against criminal charges.
Nothing prevents a civil suit or a congressional investigation, In
addition, I would think a person could be called to testify before a
grand jury and would not be protected by the 5th amendment,
What are the implications if someone subject to those civil motions
otheroutside the jurisdiction ?
Depends on what you mean. When someone does something in one
jurisdiction that causes damage in another, he can be sued in that
itjurisdiction, and even charged criminally, depending on exactly what
was.
Sorry, apologies for small scale European thinking :)
I meant what if thee people chose to move to another country ? Like the
draft dodger I knew who settled in Oxford, UK in the 70s, and never
went back.
On Tue, 21 Jan 2025 08:48:58 -0800, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:
Roy wrote:
As far as I can tell, pardons only protect against criminal charges.
Nothing prevents a civil suit or a congressional investigation, In
addition, I would think a person could be called to testify before a
grand jury and would not be protected by the 5th amendment,
What are the implications if someone subject to those civil motions was
outside the jurisdiction ?
Depends on what you mean. When someone does something in one
jurisdiction that causes damage in another, he can be sued in that other
jurisdiction, and even charged criminally, depending on exactly what it
was.
Sorry, apologies for small scale European thinking :)
I meant what if thee people chose to move to another country ? Like the
draft dodger I knew who settled in Oxford, UK in the 70s, and never went back.
On 1/21/2025 1:23 PM, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2025 08:48:58 -0800, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:It was pretty common back in the 70s for young men in the US to flee to Canada to avoid the military draft. They were eventually all pardoned
Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:
Roy wrote:
As far as I can tell, pardons only protect against criminal charges. >>>>>
Nothing prevents a civil suit or a congressional investigation, In
addition, I would think a person could be called to testify before a >>>>> grand jury and would not be protected by the 5th amendment,
What are the implications if someone subject to those civil motions
was outside the jurisdiction ?
Depends on what you mean. When someone does something in one
jurisdiction that causes damage in another, he can be sued in that
other jurisdiction, and even charged criminally, depending on exactly
what it was.
Sorry, apologies for small scale European thinking :)
I meant what if thee people chose to move to another country ? Like the
draft dodger I knew who settled in Oxford, UK in the 70s, and never
went back.
by Jimmy Carter.
There have also been numerous high-level cases of people fleeing the us
to avoid prosecution for felony crimes that were not going to be
prosecuted in other countries. Roman Polanski is a good example.
Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:
Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:was
Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:
Roy wrote:
As far as I can tell, pardons only protect against criminal charges. >>>>>
Nothing prevents a civil suit or a congressional investigation, In
addition, I would think a person could be called to testify before a >>>>> grand jury and would not be protected by the 5th amendment,
What are the implications if someone subject to those civil motions
otheroutside the jurisdiction ?
Depends on what you mean. When someone does something in one
jurisdiction that causes damage in another, he can be sued in that
itjurisdiction, and even charged criminally, depending on exactly what
was.
Sorry, apologies for small scale European thinking :)
I meant what if thee people chose to move to another country ? Like the
draft dodger I knew who settled in Oxford, UK in the 70s, and never
went back.
Countries often have extradition treaties with other countries. Under
those treaties a country can ask to have one of their citizens returned
if they are accused of committing a crime. The second country can
decide whether to return the person, depending on several factors as
outlined in the treaty.
On Tue, 21 Jan 2025 15:04:52 -0800, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:charges.
Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:
Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:
Roy wrote:
As far as I can tell, pardons only protect against criminal
In
Nothing prevents a civil suit or a congressional investigation,
aaddition, I would think a person could be called to testify before
thewasgrand jury and would not be protected by the 5th amendment,
What are the implications if someone subject to those civil motions
otheroutside the jurisdiction ?
Depends on what you mean. When someone does something in one
jurisdiction that causes damage in another, he can be sued in that
itjurisdiction, and even charged criminally, depending on exactly what
was.
Sorry, apologies for small scale European thinking :)
I meant what if thee people chose to move to another country ? Like
returneddraft dodger I knew who settled in Oxford, UK in the 70s, and never
went back.
Countries often have extradition treaties with other countries. Under
those treaties a country can ask to have one of their citizens
actions.if they are accused of committing a crime. The second country can
decide whether to return the person, depending on several factors as
outlined in the treaty.
Without coming across as "that" poster, the OP was about *civil*
Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote in news:vmqlmg$101qu$2@dont- email.me:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2025 15:04:52 -0800, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:charges.
Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:
Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:
Roy wrote:
As far as I can tell, pardons only protect against criminal
In
Nothing prevents a civil suit or a congressional investigation,
aaddition, I would think a person could be called to testify before
thewasgrand jury and would not be protected by the 5th amendment,
What are the implications if someone subject to those civil motions
otheroutside the jurisdiction ?
Depends on what you mean. When someone does something in one
jurisdiction that causes damage in another, he can be sued in that
itjurisdiction, and even charged criminally, depending on exactly what
was.
Sorry, apologies for small scale European thinking :)
I meant what if thee people chose to move to another country ? Like
returneddraft dodger I knew who settled in Oxford, UK in the 70s, and never
went back.
Countries often have extradition treaties with other countries. Under
those treaties a country can ask to have one of their citizens
actions.if they are accused of committing a crime. The second country can
decide whether to return the person, depending on several factors as
outlined in the treaty.
Without coming across as "that" poster, the OP was about *civil*
There are also treaties for enforcement of civil judgments.
On Wed, 22 Jan 2025 09:44:45 -0800, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:@dont-
Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote in news:vmqlmg$101qu$2
beforeemail.me:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2025 15:04:52 -0800, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:charges.
Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:
Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:
Roy wrote:
As far as I can tell, pardons only protect against criminal
In
Nothing prevents a civil suit or a congressional investigation,
addition, I would think a person could be called to testify
motionsa
grand jury and would not be protected by the 5th amendment,
What are the implications if someone subject to those civil
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otheroutside the jurisdiction ?
Depends on what you mean. When someone does something in one
jurisdiction that causes damage in another, he can be sued in that
jurisdiction, and even charged criminally, depending on exactly
Undertheit
was.
Sorry, apologies for small scale European thinking :)
I meant what if thee people chose to move to another country ? Like
draft dodger I knew who settled in Oxford, UK in the 70s, and never
went back.
Countries often have extradition treaties with other countries.
returnedthose treaties a country can ask to have one of their citizens
actions.if they are accused of committing a crime. The second country can
decide whether to return the person, depending on several factors as
outlined in the treaty.
Without coming across as "that" poster, the OP was about *civil*
There are also treaties for enforcement of civil judgments.
Now that is news to me ... are they ever used (from a UK perspective)
Today is a learning day :)
As far as I can tell, pardons only protect against criminal charges.
Nothing prevents a civil suit or a congressional investigation, In addition, I would think a person could be called to testify before a
grand jury and would not be protected by the 5th amendment,
On 1/20/2025 9:18 PM, Roy wrote:
[quoted text muted]
The pardon does not affect their 5th amendment rights. You never know
what other crimes you might have committed (or be accused of committing
even if you didn't) based on your testimony. The 5th amendment provides blanket protection.
On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 08:37:26 -0800, Barry Gold wrote:
On 1/20/2025 9:18 PM, Roy wrote:Well, not from bullets if you are stopped for a traffic violation.
[quoted text muted]The pardon does not affect their 5th amendment rights. You never know
what other crimes you might have committed (or be accused of committing
even if you didn't) based on your testimony. The 5th amendment provides
blanket protection.
Roy wrote:
As far as I can tell, pardons only protect against criminal charges.
Nothing prevents a civil suit or a congressional investigation, In
addition, I would think a person could be called to testify before a
grand jury and would not be protected by the 5th amendment,
The pardon does not affect their 5th amendment rights. You never know
what other crimes you might have committed (or be accused of committing
even if you didn't) based on your testimony. The 5th amendment provides blanket protection.
Actually, there is one exception. Someone can be granted "immunity",
meaning that whatever they say cannot be used against them. (Sort of
the reverse of the first Miranda warning: "Whatever you say will NOT be
used against you in a court of law."
There's one wrinkle that I haven't seen addressed. What if a local
prosecutor (DA) grants somebody immunity, but it turns out that their testimony also reveals (or provides evidence about) a federal crime or
a crime in a different state?
Does the local grant of immunity protect against federal prosecution?
If not, a potential witness could say, "Ya gotta get me federal
immunity or I ain't talkin'"
Barry Gold <[email protected]> wrote:
[quoted text muted]
Does the local grant of immunity protect against federal prosecution?
If not, a potential witness could say, "Ya gotta get me federal
immunity or I ain't talkin'"
Probably not. People can be convicted of crimes involving the same acts
by different soverigns and not violate the double jeopardy clause. I
suspect the same rule would apply to the Fifth Amendment.
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 08:03:48 -0800 (PST), Stuart O.
Bronstein wrote:
Barry Gold <[email protected]> wrote:
[quoted text muted]
Does the local grant of immunity protect against federal prosecution?
If not, a potential witness could say, "Ya gotta get me federal
immunity or I ain't talkin'"
Probably not. People can be convicted of crimes involving the same acts
by different soverigns and not violate the double jeopardy clause. I
suspect the same rule would apply to the Fifth Amendment.
I don't understand your point. The Fifth Amendment to
the US Constitution applies to both Federal and State
proceedings (Miranda v. Arizona, 1966). If you "take
the Fifth" in a Federal trial you can do the same in a
State trial over the same act, even if it is
technically a different crime.
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 08:03:48 -0800 (PST), Stuart O.
Bronstein wrote:
Barry Gold <[email protected]> wrote:
[quoted text muted]
Does the local grant of immunity protect against federal prosecution?
If not, a potential witness could say, "Ya gotta get me federal
immunity or I ain't talkin'"
Probably not. People can be convicted of crimes involving the same acts
by different soverigns and not violate the double jeopardy clause. I
suspect the same rule would apply to the Fifth Amendment.
I don't understand your point. The Fifth Amendment to
the US Constitution applies to both Federal and State
proceedings (Miranda v. Arizona, 1966). If you "take
the Fifth" in a Federal trial you can do the same in a
State trial over the same act, even if it is
technically a different crime.
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