• Re: Retroactive laws?

    From Roy@21:1/5 to micky on Fri Aug 16 16:47:41 2024
    On 8/16/2024 4:32 PM, micky wrote:
    The Baltimore Sun, today:
    "he Justice for Victims of Foreign Vessel Accidents Act on Tuesday.

    The bill would retroactively increase the liability rate for damages by foreign vessels starting March 25, the day before the Francis Scott Key Bridge collapsed"

    I know the ex post facto clause in the 5?th Amendment refers to criminal laws, but I thought it was never/rarely/bad form to change civil laws retroactively. Any other famous, infamous, or not well known examples?


    Nevertheless, courts may allow retroactive application of statutes, regulations, or standards under certain circumstances.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/retroactive

    It has not been forbidden in civil cases but is very highly unusual.

    It is interesting that not one of the news stories mention the
    Constitution and the ban on retroactive laws.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 16 16:32:20 2024
    The Baltimore Sun, today:
    "he Justice for Victims of Foreign Vessel Accidents Act on Tuesday.

    The bill would retroactively increase the liability rate for damages by
    foreign vessels starting March 25, the day before the Francis Scott Key
    Bridge collapsed"

    I know the ex post facto clause in the 5?th Amendment refers to criminal
    laws, but I thought it was never/rarely/bad form to change civil laws retroactively. Any other famous, infamous, or not well known examples?

    --
    I think you can tell, but just to be sure:
    I am not a lawyer.

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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to Roy on Fri Aug 16 21:53:39 2024
    Roy <[email protected]> wrote in news:v9oodn$1jq0e$[email protected]:
    micky wrote:

    The Baltimore Sun, today:
    "he Justice for Victims of Foreign Vessel Accidents Act on Tuesday.

    The bill would retroactively increase the liability rate for damages
    by foreign vessels starting March 25, the day before the Francis Scott
    Key Bridge collapsed"

    I know the ex post facto clause in the 5?th Amendment refers to
    criminal laws, but I thought it was never/rarely/bad form to change
    civil laws retroactively. Any other famous, infamous, or not well
    known examples?

    Nevertheless, courts may allow retroactive application of statutes, regulations, or standards under certain circumstances.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/retroactive

    It has not been forbidden in civil cases but is very highly unusual.

    It is interesting that not one of the news stories mention the
    Constitution and the ban on retroactive laws.

    Maybe because the only ban on retroactive laws in the Constitution is of criminal laws.

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    Stu
    http://DownToEarthLawyer.com

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Aug 16 21:52:51 2024
    In misc.legal.moderated, on Fri, 16 Aug 2024 16:47:41 -0700 (PDT), Roy <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 8/16/2024 4:32 PM, micky wrote:
    The Baltimore Sun, today:
    "he Justice for Victims of Foreign Vessel Accidents Act on Tuesday.

    The bill would retroactively increase the liability rate for damages by
    foreign vessels starting March 25, the day before the Francis Scott Key
    Bridge collapsed"

    I know the ex post facto clause in the 5?th Amendment refers to criminal
    laws, but I thought it was never/rarely/bad form to change civil laws
    retroactively. Any other famous, infamous, or not well known examples?


    Nevertheless, courts may allow retroactive application of statutes, >regulations, or standards under certain circumstances.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/retroactive

    Right on point. The law limiting liability seems like a gift to ship
    owners. I don't know of other areas where the limit can be so much
    lower than the amount of damage done. OTOH, something like the
    Comstock law, it should have been repealed long ago before it was inconveniencing people when the government tried to enforce it, instead
    of after the inconvenience began.

    It has not been forbidden in civil cases but is very highly unusual.

    People should know what's illegal before they do something. Maybe ship
    owners would have taken more precautions if they'd known they could have
    a greater liability. Since the Key Bridge was knocked down, there have
    been 7 other incidents in the Baltimore part of Chesapeake Bay where
    ships lost some or all of their power!! Amnazing.

    OTOH, every time a new kind of tort is created in a lawsuit, that is to
    large extent an ex post facto law. Even if the rules for what
    constitates a tort are observed.

    It is interesting that not one of the news stories mention the
    Constitution and the ban on retroactive laws.

    I guess I'm more thoughful than the authors are. Finally, something to
    hold onto.

    --
    I think you can tell, but just to be sure:
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