• Moderation note

    From Roy@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 13 18:38:06 2024
    With the news on the Trump shooting, I am being more critical on
    moderating the group.

    I suspect the feds will be reviewing social media like USENET looking
    for clues

    Roy

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to Roy on Sun Jul 14 10:07:47 2024
    On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 18:38:06 -0700, Roy wrote:

    With the news on the Trump shooting, I am being more critical on
    moderating the group.

    I suspect the feds will be reviewing social media like USENET looking
    for clues

    Roy

    I doubt they know it exists ....

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  • From Roy@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 14 16:48:53 2024
    On 7/14/2024 10:07 AM, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 18:38:06 -0700, Roy wrote:

    With the news on the Trump shooting, I am being more critical on
    moderating the group.

    I suspect the feds will be reviewing social media like USENET looking
    for clues

    Roy

    I doubt they know it exists ....


    I have a friend who is a retired Secret Service agent who was at times
    assigned to Presidential protection details. I would not underestimate
    them.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Jul 14 16:40:42 2024
    In misc.legal.moderated, on Sun, 14 Jul 2024 10:07:47 -0700 (PDT),
    Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 18:38:06 -0700, Roy wrote:

    With the news on the Trump shooting, I am being more critical on
    moderating the group.

    I suspect the feds will be reviewing social media like USENET looking
    for clues

    Roy

    I doubt they know it exists ....

    Was Usenet ever social media? With the constant attention by some to
    stay on topic, I viewed it as anti-social media

    --
    I think you can tell, but just to be sure:
    I am not a lawyer.

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  • From Rick@21:1/5 to micky on Mon Jul 15 07:52:26 2024
    "micky" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

    In misc.legal.moderated, on Sun, 14 Jul 2024 10:07:47 -0700 (PDT),
    Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 18:38:06 -0700, Roy wrote:

    With the news on the Trump shooting, I am being more critical on
    moderating the group.

    I suspect the feds will be reviewing social media like USENET looking
    for clues

    Roy

    I doubt they know it exists ....

    Was Usenet ever social media? With the constant attention by some to
    stay on topic, I viewed it as anti-social media


    Along with AOL IM, it was certainly the closest thing to social media back
    in the day. Nowadays, it's highly niche and really limited largely to older people with some technical expertise to even know how the navigate the
    groups, and I suspect the total number of users is probably smaller than we realize. I personally don't think I know anyone in my personal circle of relatives and acquaintances who has ever heard of or used Usenet.

    --

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  • From Roy@21:1/5 to Rick on Tue Jul 16 09:12:09 2024
    On 7/16/2024 9:01 AM, Rick wrote:
    "Roy"  wrote in message news:v6va4u$3r3fp$[email protected]...

    With the news on the Trump shooting, I am being more critical on
    moderating the group.

    I suspect the feds will be reviewing social media like USENET looking
    for clues

    Roy

    Can you provide more specific guidelines here?  Are any topics, such as
    the events of last Saturday, now off-limits?  Can we talk about the
    Judge Cannon decision?

    In other words, what's in and what's out, if anything?

    --

    I was disturbed by the thread discussing how to assassinate Mr Trump
    especially in light of Saturday.

    Discussion of Saturday's event is OK but lets keep it to the legal
    aspects. Ditto the Judge Cannon decision.

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  • From Rick@21:1/5 to Roy on Tue Jul 16 09:01:11 2024
    "Roy" wrote in message news:v6va4u$3r3fp$[email protected]...

    With the news on the Trump shooting, I am being more critical on moderating >the group.

    I suspect the feds will be reviewing social media like USENET looking for >clues

    Roy

    Can you provide more specific guidelines here? Are any topics, such as the events of last Saturday, now off-limits? Can we talk about the Judge Cannon decision?

    In other words, what's in and what's out, if anything?

    --

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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to Rick on Tue Jul 16 15:05:18 2024
    "Rick" <[email protected]> wrote in news:v75vfq$1a2n3$[email protected]:

    "Roy" wrote in message news:v6va4u$3r3fp$[email protected]...

    With the news on the Trump shooting, I am being more critical on
    moderating the group.

    I suspect the feds will be reviewing social media like USENET looking
    for clues

    Roy

    Can you provide more specific guidelines here? Are any topics, such
    as the events of last Saturday, now off-limits? Can we talk about the
    Judge Cannon decision?

    In other words, what's in and what's out, if anything?

    I think the idea is to avoid saying things that could at all sound like threats, including veiled or implied threats. Right not the Secret Service
    is a little on edge, so we don't want to give them any reason to worry.

    --
    Stu
    http://DownToEarthLawyer.com

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to Stuart O. Bronstein on Thu Jul 18 08:33:40 2024
    On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 15:05:18 -0700 (PDT), Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    "Rick" <[email protected]> wrote in news:v75vfq$1a2n3$[email protected]:

    [quoted text muted]
    as the events of last Saturday, now off-limits? Can we talk about the Judge Cannon decision?

    In other words, what's in and what's out, if anything?

    I think the idea is to avoid saying things that could at all sound like threats, including veiled or implied threats. Right not the Secret Service is a little on edge, so we don't want to give them any reason to worry.

    The fact that ordinary people have to result to such self-censorship
    is truly distressing. There was no credible threat in anything that
    was said, so it's protected by the First Amendment, or at least it
    used to be.

    Don't get me wrong, I defer to the Moderator in making the decision
    to cut off that thread. It's just disheartening to see people refrain
    from legal speech for fear a quasi police force will take an interest
    and do something.

    --
    Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
    Shikata ga nai...

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to Brown on Thu Jul 18 09:45:43 2024
    In misc.legal.moderated, on Thu, 18 Jul 2024 08:33:40 -0700 (PDT), Stan
    Brown <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 15:05:18 -0700 (PDT), Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    "Rick" <[email protected]> wrote in news:v75vfq$1a2n3$[email protected]:

    [quoted text muted]
    as the events of last Saturday, now off-limits? Can we talk about the
    Judge Cannon decision?

    In other words, what's in and what's out, if anything?

    I think the idea is to avoid saying things that could at all sound like
    threats, including veiled or implied threats. Right not the Secret Service >> is a little on edge, so we don't want to give them any reason to worry.

    The fact that ordinary people have to result to such self-censorship
    is truly distressing. There was no credible threat in anything that
    was said, so it's protected by the First Amendment, or at least it
    used to be.

    Don't get me wrong, I defer to the Moderator in making the decision
    to cut off that thread. It's just disheartening to see people refrain
    from legal speech for fear a quasi police force will take an interest
    and do something.

    The foloowing might bother you too: I won't talk on the phone about the
    same subject. I ask my friend to hang up so I can call her on Whatsapp,
    which I'm told is encrypted. Even though I'm 77, don't have a gun, my
    back hurts, I don't want to spend weeks or months working on it, and
    don't even manage to mow my lawn, so I'm not a real threat, but I don't
    want the nuisance of being investigated. Or to waste the government's
    time.

    OTOH, if the feds didn't try to intercept serious conspiracy traffic and someone was killed or maimed, most people would think they should have
    been on their toes. I'm sure Gretchen Whitmer is in favor of
    prevention (good example??).

    Did you hear about the case where a woman was plotting with her
    'boyfriend' to kill her husband. She talked about it on the cordless
    phone and the neighbors heard it on the baby monitor! The police were
    called and it probably saved the husband's life.

    --
    I think you can tell, but just to be sure:
    I am not a lawyer.

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to micky on Thu Jul 18 13:50:01 2024
    On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 09:45:43 -0700, micky wrote:

    Even though I'm 77, don't have a gun, my back hurts,

    You might just get a call from the Democrat Party ...

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  • From Roy@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 18 22:31:29 2024
    On 7/18/2024 1:50 PM, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 09:45:43 -0700, micky wrote:

    Even though I'm 77, don't have a gun, my back hurts,

    You might just get a call from the Democrat Party ...

    I will be 76 next week, do have two guns, and my hip hurts. I hope
    nobody calls,

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Jul 19 06:44:38 2024
    In misc.legal.moderated, on Thu, 18 Jul 2024 13:50:01 -0700 (PDT),
    Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 09:45:43 -0700, micky wrote:

    Even though I'm 77, don't have a gun, my back hurts,

    You might just get a call from the Democrat Party ...

    It's properly called the Democratic Party. Democrat Party was coined by
    the Republicans when they started into their cult stage because they
    couldn't bear to call the other party democratic.

    You're from the UK so you're forgiven (this time).

    --
    I think you can tell, but just to be sure:
    I am not a lawyer.

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  • From Rick@21:1/5 to micky on Fri Jul 19 07:49:10 2024
    "micky" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

    In misc.legal.moderated, on Thu, 18 Jul 2024 13:50:01 -0700 (PDT),
    Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 09:45:43 -0700, micky wrote:

    Even though I'm 77, don't have a gun, my back hurts,

    You might just get a call from the Democrat Party ...

    It's properly called the Democratic Party. Democrat Party was coined by
    the Republicans when they started into their cult stage because they
    couldn't bear to call the other party democratic.

    You're from the UK so you're forgiven (this time).


    The term was apparently first used as far back as 1889 by a Republican congressman named Jacob Gallinger before being more popularized in the late 1940s and 1950s. Here's an interesting Wikipedia article on the subject:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet)

    The article suggests that Republicans use the term more as a zinger -
    because Democrats don't like it - than for any real substantive reason.

    There is also a simple grammatical explanation for the usage. If you are a Republican, you are a member of the Republican Party. If you are a
    Socialist, you are a member of the Socialist Party. If you are a
    Libertarian, you are a member of the Libertarian party. So if you are a Democrat, doesn't it male sense that you are a member of the Democrat Party?

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to micky on Fri Jul 19 08:53:43 2024
    On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 06:44:38 -0700, micky wrote:

    In misc.legal.moderated, on Thu, 18 Jul 2024 13:50:01 -0700 (PDT),
    Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 09:45:43 -0700, micky wrote:

    Even though I'm 77, don't have a gun, my back hurts,

    You might just get a call from the Democrat Party ...

    It's properly called the Democratic Party. Democrat Party was coined by
    the Republicans when they started into their cult stage because they
    couldn't bear to call the other party democratic.

    You're from the UK so you're forgiven (this time).

    I was running it around my ear ... wasn't convinced it was 100% right.
    But decided since this isn't a written exam :)

    Thanks for the steer. Today is another day where I have added to my sum
    of knowledge. Mind you I did briefly catch a clip of the republican
    candidate speaking, so I guess it evens out ....

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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to Rick on Fri Jul 19 08:54:42 2024
    "Rick" <[email protected]> wrote in news:v7dtdb$318du$[email protected]:

    "micky" wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...

    In misc.legal.moderated, on Thu, 18 Jul 2024 13:50:01 -0700 (PDT), >>Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 09:45:43 -0700, micky wrote:

    Even though I'm 77, don't have a gun, my back hurts,

    You might just get a call from the Democrat Party ...

    It's properly called the Democratic Party. Democrat Party was coined
    by the Republicans when they started into their cult stage because
    they couldn't bear to call the other party democratic.

    You're from the UK so you're forgiven (this time).


    The term was apparently first used as far back as 1889 by a Republican congressman named Jacob Gallinger before being more popularized in the
    late 1940s and 1950s. Here's an interesting Wikipedia article on the subject:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet)

    The article suggests that Republicans use the term more as a zinger -
    because Democrats don't like it - than for any real substantive
    reason.

    There is also a simple grammatical explanation for the usage. If you
    are a Republican, you are a member of the Republican Party. If you
    are a Socialist, you are a member of the Socialist Party. If you are
    a Libertarian, you are a member of the Libertarian party. So if you
    are a Democrat, doesn't it male sense that you are a member of the
    Democrat Party?

    "Democrat" is a noun, "democratic" is an adjective. So no, saying
    "democrat party" is not grammatical.


    --
    Stu
    http://DownToEarthLawyer.com

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to micky on Fri Jul 19 09:14:13 2024
    On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 06:44:38 -0700, micky wrote:

    You're from the UK so you're forgiven (this time).

    Rather missed the chance to say that I can't help that, and await a
    Johnsonian zinger :)

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to Rick on Fri Jul 19 21:15:05 2024
    In misc.legal.moderated, on Fri, 19 Jul 2024 07:49:10 -0700 (PDT),
    "Rick" <[email protected]> wrote:

    "micky" wrote in message news:[email protected]... >>
    In misc.legal.moderated, on Thu, 18 Jul 2024 13:50:01 -0700 (PDT), >>Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 09:45:43 -0700, micky wrote:

    Even though I'm 77, don't have a gun, my back hurts,

    You might just get a call from the Democrat Party ...

    It's properly called the Democratic Party. Democrat Party was coined by >>the Republicans when they started into their cult stage because they >>couldn't bear to call the other party democratic.

    You're from the UK so you're forgiven (this time).


    The term was apparently first used as far back as 1889 by a Republican >congressman named Jacob Gallinger before being more popularized in the late >1940s and 1950s. Here's an interesting Wikipedia article on the subject:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet)

    I once knew this stuff, and once read the very url above, but in my
    personal observation, I heard it rarely if at all until 40 or 30 years
    ago and its usage grew substantially since then.

    The article suggests that Republicans use the term more as a zinger -
    because Democrats don't like it - than for any real substantive reason.

    There is also a simple grammatical explanation for the usage. If you are a >Republican, you are a member of the Republican Party. If you are a >Socialist, you are a member of the Socialist Party. If you are a >Libertarian, you are a member of the Libertarian party. So if you are a >Democrat, doesn't it male sense that you are a member of the Democrat Party?

    No, it doesn't. The parties were organized and named first, and then
    the members of the party took their names as seemed appropriate from the
    name of the party.

    a) Similar to members of nations, in English, Mexicans, Americans,
    Guatemalans, Cubans, Russians, Costa Ricans are named in one common
    manner, from the name of the country with a simple -ns ending.
    But not all are done that way: for example, Britons, Portuguese,
    Spaniards, Israelis, Japanese, Chinese. And in Spanish, Salvadore�os,
    or Hebrew, Yisr'elim. They were not called Spaniards or Espa�olos
    first and then because of that, they named the country Spain or Espa�a.
    Similar for all the nationalities after "for example".
    And for that matter, also for all the countries before "for example",
    with the common naming system. People were not called Bolivians first
    and that caused the country to be named Bolivia.

    b) This is different from religion, where the adherents are named first
    and the religion named after them. At least for the examples I've
    thought about.


    --
    I think you can tell, but just to be sure:
    I am not a lawyer.

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  • From Rick@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 19 21:22:24 2024
    "Stuart O. Bronstein" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

    "Rick" <[email protected]> wrote in news:v7dtdb$318du$[email protected]:

    "micky" wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...

    In misc.legal.moderated, on Thu, 18 Jul 2024 13:50:01 -0700 (PDT), >>>Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 09:45:43 -0700, micky wrote:

    Even though I'm 77, don't have a gun, my back hurts,

    You might just get a call from the Democrat Party ...

    It's properly called the Democratic Party. Democrat Party was coined
    by the Republicans when they started into their cult stage because
    they couldn't bear to call the other party democratic.

    You're from the UK so you're forgiven (this time).


    The term was apparently first used as far back as 1889 by a Republican
    congressman named Jacob Gallinger before being more popularized in the
    late 1940s and 1950s. Here's an interesting Wikipedia article on the
    subject:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet)

    The article suggests that Republicans use the term more as a zinger -
    because Democrats don't like it - than for any real substantive
    reason.

    There is also a simple grammatical explanation for the usage. If you
    are a Republican, you are a member of the Republican Party. If you
    are a Socialist, you are a member of the Socialist Party. If you are
    a Libertarian, you are a member of the Libertarian party. So if you
    are a Democrat, doesn't it male sense that you are a member of the
    Democrat Party?

    "Democrat" is a noun, "democratic" is an adjective. So no, saying
    "democrat party" is not grammatical.



    Yes, but the point is that with most other major US parties, the party name
    and the description of a member of the party is the same. Republican, Conservative, Libertarian, Communist, Socialist, Liberal, throw in
    Federalist and Whig - with each of these the word describes both the party
    and the member. While I realize there may be some minor exceptions like the States Rights or Green parties, the point is that the Democratic party is unique among major US parties in that you need a different name to describe
    the party member from the party. Even though Republicans probably do use
    the term "Democrat Party" mainly just to be snarky, there is some logic to
    what they are doing.

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to Rick on Sat Jul 20 22:12:16 2024
    On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 21:22:24 -0700 (PDT), Rick wrote:
    Yes, but the point is that with most other major US parties, the party name and the description of a member of the party is the same. Republican, Conservative, Libertarian, Communist, Socialist, Liberal, throw in
    Federalist and Whig - with each of these the word describes both the party and the member.

    That's because for all those words, the adjective and the noun are
    identical.

    While I realize there may be some minor exceptions like the
    States Rights or Green parties, the point is that the Democratic party is unique among major US parties in that you need a different name to describe the party member from the party. Even though Republicans probably do use the term "Democrat Party" mainly just to be snarky, there is some logic to what they are doing.

    No, there isn't any logic to it; it is _entirely_ just to be snarky.

    A party called The X Party uses the adjective form of X, and for
    Democrats that's "Democratic". A person who is an adherent of The X
    Party is called by the noun form of X.

    I never heard the Democratic Party miscalled the Democrat party until
    Nixon started doing it in the 1970s, so I was surprised to read here
    that the misusage started earlier.

    --
    Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
    Shikata ga nai...

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  • From Rick@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Sun Jul 21 17:33:47 2024
    "Stan Brown" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

    On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 21:22:24 -0700 (PDT), Rick wrote:
    Yes, but the point is that with most other major US parties, the party
    name
    and the description of a member of the party is the same. Republican,
    Conservative, Libertarian, Communist, Socialist, Liberal, throw in
    Federalist and Whig - with each of these the word describes both the
    party
    and the member.

    That's because for all those words, the adjective and the noun are
    identical.

    While I realize there may be some minor exceptions like the
    States Rights or Green parties, the point is that the Democratic party is
    unique among major US parties in that you need a different name to
    describe
    the party member from the party. Even though Republicans probably do
    use
    the term "Democrat Party" mainly just to be snarky, there is some logic
    to
    what they are doing.

    No, there isn't any logic to it; it is _entirely_ just to be snarky.

    A party called The X Party uses the adjective form of X, and for
    Democrats that's "Democratic". A person who is an adherent of The X
    Party is called by the noun form of X.

    I never heard the Democratic Party miscalled the Democrat party until
    Nixon started doing it in the 1970s, so I was surprised to read here
    that the misusage started earlier.



    I was surprised too, especially where the article said the phrase had been
    used at the 1968 Republican convention. I didn't remember that. I found
    the text of the 1968 Republican platform, and while there are references to "Democrat Administrations", "Democrat Congresses" and "Democrat campaign",
    I don't see the phrase "Democrat Party" mentioned anywhere. "Democratic
    party" is also not mentioned. The only mention of "Democratic" is
    "Democratic rule".

    https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/republican-party-platform-1968

    Interestingly, the 1972 Republican platform contains several references to "Democratic Party" and no mention of "Democrat Party" or any use of
    "Democrat" as an adjective. In 1976, however, the party platform contains several reference to "Democrat Party", so that may be where the modern use
    of the phrase started in earnest. In my memory, the phrase really got popularized by Newt Gingrich in the 1980s and 90s, though I can also easily imagine in my mind Bob Dole using the phrase when he ran for VP in 1976.

    https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/republican-party-platform-1972

    https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/republican-party-platform-1976







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  • From micky@21:1/5 to Rick on Sun Jul 21 17:34:55 2024
    In misc.legal.moderated, on Fri, 19 Jul 2024 21:22:24 -0700 (PDT),
    "Rick" <[email protected]> wrote:

    "Stuart O. Bronstein" wrote in message >news:[email protected]...

    "Rick" <[email protected]> wrote in news:v7dtdb$318du$[email protected]:

    "micky" wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...

    In misc.legal.moderated, on Thu, 18 Jul 2024 13:50:01 -0700 (PDT), >>>>Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 09:45:43 -0700, micky wrote:

    Even though I'm 77, don't have a gun, my back hurts,

    You might just get a call from the Democrat Party ...

    It's properly called the Democratic Party. Democrat Party was coined >>>>by the Republicans when they started into their cult stage because
    they couldn't bear to call the other party democratic.

    You're from the UK so you're forgiven (this time).


    The term was apparently first used as far back as 1889 by a Republican
    congressman named Jacob Gallinger before being more popularized in the
    late 1940s and 1950s. Here's an interesting Wikipedia article on the
    subject:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet)

    The article suggests that Republicans use the term more as a zinger -
    because Democrats don't like it - than for any real substantive
    reason.

    There is also a simple grammatical explanation for the usage. If you
    are a Republican, you are a member of the Republican Party. If you
    are a Socialist, you are a member of the Socialist Party. If you are
    a Libertarian, you are a member of the Libertarian party. So if you
    are a Democrat, doesn't it male sense that you are a member of the
    Democrat Party?

    As I said, NO. That does not make sense. See my reply directly to this
    post for more details. (Did you see it, Rick?)

    "Democrat" is a noun, "democratic" is an adjective. So no, saying >>"democrat party" is not grammatical.


    Yes, but the point is that with most other major US parties, the party name >and the description of a member of the party is the same. Republican,

    So what? You can't prove anything with analogies. They are useful to
    make something understandable or palatable, but they are not proof of
    anything.

    Conservative, Libertarian, Communist, Socialist, Liberal, throw in
    Federalist and Whig - with each of these the word describes both the party >and the member. While I realize there may be some minor exceptions like the >States Rights or Green parties, the point is that the Democratic party is >unique among major US parties in that you need a different name to describe >the party member from the party.

    IMO there are really only two major US parties, so it's unique among
    two.

    If we go beyond major and you're going to list two parties no longer
    active, Federalist and Whig I think we can find other inactive parties
    to add to States Rights and Green, like the Constitutional Union Party
    (that also don't use the same word for the party and the members).

    Even though Republicans probably do use
    the term "Democrat Party" mainly just to be snarky, there is some logic to >what they are doing.

    There is parallelism here. That's not the same as logic. I think you
    need a syllogism to call it logic and I don't think there is one.

    You don't get to decide what the name is of someone else or a group of
    them. As Stuart points out, when Democrats named their party with more
    than one word, one of which was an adjective, they used "Democratic":
    Next month will be the Demmocratic National Convention.
    It's a convocation of the Democratic Party,
    One of its committees is the Democratic Congressional Campaign
    Committee (DCCC), which was created in 1866
    Another is the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. It might
    only go back to 1967.

    I also found the National Federation of Democratic Women, the NFDW,
    which is an official organization of the Democratic Party. There are
    other gropus that use Democratic that are not part of the Democratic
    Party, but I've seen nothing that IS part of the Democratic Party that
    uses Democrat as an adjective.

    --
    I think you can tell, but just to be sure:
    I am not a lawyer.

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  • From Barry Gold@21:1/5 to Rick on Mon Aug 5 08:07:16 2024
    On 7/19/2024 9:22 PM, Rick wrote:
    the Democratic party is unique among major US parties in that you need a different name to describe the party member from the party.

    There are only two major parties in the US, so the Republican party is
    equally "unique among major US parties" in that the name of the party is
    also the adjective for a party member.

    As for lesser parties, a member of the Green Party is probably a Green,
    and a member of the American Independent Party is probably an American Independent, but what is a member of the Peace and Freedom Party? The Constitution Party? The Alliance Party?

    (minor party names from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States#Multi-state
    )

    --
    I do so have a memory. It's backed up on DVD... somewhere...

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  • From Mike Anderson@21:1/5 to Rick on Wed May 7 12:43:54 2025
    On 7/15/2024 10:52 AM, Rick wrote:
    "micky"  wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...

    In misc.legal.moderated, on Sun, 14 Jul 2024 10:07:47 -0700 (PDT),
    Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 18:38:06 -0700, Roy wrote:

    With the news on the Trump shooting, I am being more critical on
    moderating the group.

    I suspect the feds will be reviewing social media like USENET looking
    for clues

    Roy

    I doubt they know it exists ....

    Was Usenet ever social media?  With the constant attention by some to
    stay on topic, I viewed it as anti-social media


    Along with AOL IM, it was certainly the closest thing to social media
    back in the day.  Nowadays, it's highly niche and really limited largely
    to older people with some technical expertise to even know how the
    navigate the groups, and I suspect the total number of users is probably smaller than we realize.  I personally don't think I know anyone in my personal circle of relatives and acquaintances who has ever heard of or
    used Usenet.

    --

    Hey, who are you calling "old"?! *looks into mirror* Oh...never mind.

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  • From Roy@21:1/5 to Mike Anderson on Wed May 7 13:01:05 2025
    On 5/7/2025 12:43 PM, Mike Anderson wrote:
    On 7/15/2024 10:52 AM, Rick wrote:
    "micky"  wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...

    In misc.legal.moderated, on Sun, 14 Jul 2024 10:07:47 -0700 (PDT),
    Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 18:38:06 -0700, Roy wrote:

    With the news on the Trump shooting, I am being more critical on
    moderating the group.

    I suspect the feds will be reviewing social media like USENET looking >>>>> for clues

    Roy

    I doubt they know it exists ....

    Was Usenet ever social media?  With the constant attention by some to
    stay on topic, I viewed it as anti-social media


    Along with AOL IM, it was certainly the closest thing to social media
    back in the day.  Nowadays, it's highly niche and really limited
    largely to older people with some technical expertise to even know how
    the navigate the groups, and I suspect the total number of users is
    probably smaller than we realize.  I personally don't think I know
    anyone in my personal circle of relatives and acquaintances who has
    ever heard of or used Usenet.

    --

    Hey, who are you calling "old"?! *looks into mirror* Oh...never mind.



    I am not old. That is derogatory

    I am mature

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