May be a thing soon

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68499543

Donald Trump has been told to pay the six-figure legal costs of a company
he sued over claims of "perverted" sex acts and bribes to Russian
officials.

Mrs Justice Steyn threw out the case against Orbis Business Intelligence,
a consultancy founded by former MI6 officer Christopher Steele, last
month.

She found that Mr Trump's compensation claim was "bound to fail".

In a new ruling she also ordered Mr Trump to pay Orbis's costs "of the
entire claim".

The order, obtained by the PA news agency on Thursday, also said Mr Trump
has made no attempt to bring an appeal.

Mr Steele, who previously ran the Secret Intelligence Service's Russia
desk, was the author of the so-called Steele dossier.

This included uncorroborated intelligence claims, denied by Mr Trump,
that the former US president had been "compromised" by the Russian
security service, the FSB.

The High Court was told last year that Mr Trump was bringing a data
protection claim over two memos in the dossier which claimed he had taken
part in "sex parties" in St Petersburg and engaged in "golden showers"
with prostitutes in Moscow.

Mrs Justice Steyn said Orbis has estimated its costs to be more than
£600,000.

She said £300,000 should be paid by Mr Trump before the total costs are decided by a specialist judge.

The dossier, made up of more than a dozen memos, was produced by Orbis in
2016 before Mr Trump won the election that year to become US president.
It was later leaked to and published by BuzzFeed in 2017.

At the hearing in October 2023, Hugh Tomlinson KC, for Mr Trump,
described the allegations in the memos - which included a claim that the 77-year-old had "defiled" a bed previously used by former president
Barack Obama and his wife - as "egregiously inaccurate".

Dismissing the claim, Mrs Justice Steyn said the "mere fact" that Orbis
had held copies of the memos could not cause Mr Trump distress.

Orbis welcomed the ruling last month, saying "we feel strongly that Mr
Trump brought this claim in an attempt to exact revenge on Orbis and to
chill free speech".

Mr Trump is all but certain to win the Republican nomination and fight a
likely election against incumbent President Joe Biden as he bids to
return to the White House.

His last remaining rival Nikki Haley dropped out of the race on Wednesday.

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In misc.legal.moderated, on Thu, 7 Mar 2024 12:26:16 -0800 (PST),
Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:

May be a thing soon

I heard about this, with much less detail, almost no detail, on NBC just
15 minutes ago. They did point out that in the US it's much harder
than in the UK to recover your legal fees when the other side loses. Or
maybe they were talking especaily about libel and slander** cases, which
this is. **I think there is word for the two of them together but I
can't remember it.

As far as collection goes, does he have assets in the UK. I think he
owns part of a golf club in Scotland. Are you and Scotland on good
enough terms that you can levy on his golf club? Will golfers be able
to get an injunction if the weather is good and they want to play?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68499543

Donald Trump has been told to pay the six-figure legal costs of a company
he sued over claims of "perverted" sex acts and bribes to Russian
officials.

Mrs Justice Steyn threw out the case against Orbis Business Intelligence,
a consultancy founded by former MI6 officer Christopher Steele, last
month.

She found that Mr Trump's compensation claim was "bound to fail".

In a new ruling she also ordered Mr Trump to pay Orbis's costs "of the
entire claim".

The order, obtained by the PA news agency on Thursday, also said Mr Trump
has made no attempt to bring an appeal.

Mr Steele, who previously ran the Secret Intelligence Service's Russia
desk, was the author of the so-called Steele dossier.

This included uncorroborated intelligence claims, denied by Mr Trump,
that the former US president had been "compromised" by the Russian
security service, the FSB.

The High Court was told last year that Mr Trump was bringing a data >protection claim over two memos in the dossier which claimed he had taken >part in "sex parties" in St Petersburg and engaged in "golden showers"
with prostitutes in Moscow.

Mrs Justice Steyn said Orbis has estimated its costs to be more than >�600,000.

She said �300,000 should be paid by Mr Trump before the total costs are >decided by a specialist judge.

The dossier, made up of more than a dozen memos, was produced by Orbis in >2016 before Mr Trump won the election that year to become US president.
It was later leaked to and published by BuzzFeed in 2017.

At the hearing in October 2023, Hugh Tomlinson KC, for Mr Trump,
described the allegations in the memos - which included a claim that the >77-year-old had "defiled" a bed previously used by former president
Barack Obama and his wife - as "egregiously inaccurate".

Dismissing the claim, Mrs Justice Steyn said the "mere fact" that Orbis
had held copies of the memos could not cause Mr Trump distress.

Orbis welcomed the ruling last month, saying "we feel strongly that Mr
Trump brought this claim in an attempt to exact revenge on Orbis and to
chill free speech".

Mr Trump is all but certain to win the Republican nomination and fight a >likely election against incumbent President Joe Biden as he bids to
return to the White House.

His last remaining rival Nikki Haley dropped out of the race on Wednesday.

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On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 01:17:30 -0800 (PST), micky wrote:

libel and slander** cases, which
this is. **I think there is word for the two of them together but I
can't remember it.

Defamation.

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Shikata ga nai...

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Stan Brown <[email protected]> wrote:

micky wrote:

libel and slander** cases, which
this is. **I think there is word for the two of them together but I
can't remember it.

Defamation.

In law school they teach that in the same class they teach personal injury. That's known as adding insult to injury.


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In misc.legal.moderated, on Thu, 7 Mar 2024 12:26:16 -0800 (PST),
Jethro_uk <[email protected]> wrote:

May be a thing soon

I heard about this, with much less detail, almost no detail, on NBC just
15 minutes ago. They did point out that in the US it's much harder
than in the UK to recover your legal fees when the other side loses. Or >maybe they were talking especaily about libel and slander** cases, which
this is. **I think there is word for the two of them together but I
can't remember it.

As far as collection goes, does he have assets in the UK. I think he
owns part of a golf club in Scotland. Are you and Scotland on good
enough terms that you can levy on his golf club? Will golfers be able
to get an injunction if the weather is good and they want to play?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68499543

My guess is Trump will either ignore this or will do whatever the equivalent
is of an appeal in the UK (and I honestly don't know how that works). I
think the more interesting question is what happens if Trump wins the
election while the case is still pending. What, if anything, does this do
to US-UK relations? The US has long been the UK's principal ally, and with tensions rising over the Ukraine war, NATO and other issues, is there a scenario where the British government somehow gets the case dropped?
Again, I have no idea how the court system works in the UK.

I also think it is interesting that this case is unique in that the public
at large is probably on Trump's side, After all, he was the victim here of
a document that was found to be a lie. I think this might be the rare case where Trump would have a lot of support for his suit.

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