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    From RichD@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 12 20:54:23 2023
    Two persons are accused of murder. The jury convicts one,
    acquits the other. The judge then releases both, no sentence
    imposed, without denying the convict's guilt.

    Explain.

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    Rich

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to RichD on Mon Nov 13 08:59:54 2023
    On 13/11/2023 04:54, RichD wrote:
    Two persons are accused of murder. The jury convicts one,
    acquits the other. The judge then releases both, no sentence
    imposed, without denying the convict's guilt.

    Explain.

    They are identical twins and it is was not clear which one of them
    committed the murder.

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    Jeff

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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Mon Nov 13 11:50:01 2023
    Jeff Layman <[email protected]d> wrote:
    RichD wrote:

    Two persons are accused of murder. The jury convicts one,
    acquits the other. The judge then releases both, no sentence
    imposed, without denying the convict's guilt.

    Explain.

    They are identical twins and it is was not clear which one of them
    committed the murder.

    That would be the answer. However if it went to a jury and the jury
    decided they could tell which one did it, that would normally be the
    end of the story.


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  • From Nick Odell@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Nov 14 07:49:13 2023
    On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 11:50:01 -0800 (PST), "Stuart O. Bronstein" <[email protected]> wrote:

    Jeff Layman <[email protected]d> wrote:
    RichD wrote:

    Two persons are accused of murder. The jury convicts one,
    acquits the other. The judge then releases both, no sentence
    imposed, without denying the convict's guilt.

    Explain.

    They are identical twins and it is was not clear which one of them
    committed the murder.

    That would be the answer. However if it went to a jury and the jury
    decided they could tell which one did it, that would normally be the
    end of the story.

    In the UK we have Joint Enterprise although its use has been
    considerably tightened up within the last few weeks. https://yjlc.uk/resources/legal-updates/law-joint-enterprise-put-right-supreme-court

    Nick

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Stuart O. Bronstein on Tue Nov 14 12:38:59 2023
    On 13/11/2023 19:50, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    Jeff Layman <[email protected]d> wrote:
    RichD wrote:

    Two persons are accused of murder. The jury convicts one,
    acquits the other. The judge then releases both, no sentence
    imposed, without denying the convict's guilt.

    Explain.

    They are identical twins and it is was not clear which one of them
    committed the murder.

    That would be the answer. However if it went to a jury and the jury
    decided they could tell which one did it, that would normally be the
    end of the story.

    If they were truly identical (no physical difference - scars, etc) I
    think that the only incontrovertible evidence would be fingerprints,
    which differ even in identical twins. In the absence of that, what would
    be the chances of an appeal succeeding if they were both jailed despite
    both claiming to be innocent?

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    Jeff

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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to Nick Odell on Wed Nov 15 11:53:12 2023
    Nick Odell <[email protected]> wrote:
    "Stuart O. Bronstein" <[email protected]> wrote:
    Jeff Layman <[email protected]d> wrote:
    RichD wrote:

    Two persons are accused of murder. The jury convicts one,
    acquits the other. The judge then releases both, no sentence
    imposed, without denying the convict's guilt.

    Explain.

    They are identical twins and it is was not clear which one of
    them committed the murder.

    That would be the answer. However if it went to a jury and the
    jury decided they could tell which one did it, that would normally
    be the end of the story.

    In the UK we have Joint Enterprise although its use has been
    considerably tightened up within the last few weeks. https://yjlc.uk/resources/legal-updates/law-joint-enterprise-put-ri ght-supreme-court

    In the US we do, too. Here it's called a conspiracy. In the example
    it is presumed that one is guilty and the other is completely
    innocent and had nothing to do with the crime. In that case it would
    be the case that, if the jury couldn't determine which was with, they
    would both have to go free. But if the jury thinks they can figure
    out which one it was, that's likely the end of it.


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  • From RichD@21:1/5 to Stuart O. Bronstein on Wed Nov 15 21:34:06 2023
    On November 13, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    Two persons are accused of murder. The jury convicts one,
    acquits the other. The judge then releases both, no sentence
    imposed, without denying the convict's guilt.
    Explain.

    They are identical twins and it is was not clear which one of them
    committed the murder.

    That would be the answer. However if it went to a jury and the jury
    decided they could tell which one did it, that would normally be the
    end of the story.

    Siamese twins.
    You can imagine how this would piss off the judge.

    There was a film with this theme (not siamese twins),
    ~1950, during the film noir era. I can't recall the title.
    Anyway, it's a good sister / evil sister story line, a dark
    psychological drama. My kinda movie -

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    Rich

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  • From Rick@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 16 12:50:11 2023
    "RichD" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

    On November 13, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    Two persons are accused of murder. The jury convicts one,
    acquits the other. The judge then releases both, no sentence
    imposed, without denying the convict's guilt.
    Explain.

    They are identical twins and it is was not clear which one of them
    committed the murder.

    That would be the answer. However if it went to a jury and the jury
    decided they could tell which one did it, that would normally be the
    end of the story.

    Siamese twins.
    You can imagine how this would piss off the judge.

    There was a film with this theme (not siamese twins),
    ~1950, during the film noir era. I can't recall the title.
    Anyway, it's a good sister / evil sister story line, a dark
    psychological drama. My kinda movie -

    --
    Rich

    Check this out:

    https://vistacriminallaw.com/could-the-siamese-twins-in-american-horror-story-be-charged-with-murder/


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