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    From micky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 29 14:27:10 2023
    Why is the Speaker 3rd in line for the Presidency. If Potus and the VP
    die, the presidency changes, these days, from Democratic to Republican.
    I thought they amended the Constiution early on to prevent this sort of
    thing (by having the P and VP from the same party.) If the P dies and
    before a new VP is confirmed the VP dies, the presidency can change
    parties. What is this, England? Have there been efforts to change
    this?

    And if 5 Congressman were on a plane flight to some meeting and the
    plane crashed and all were killed, if they were all Republicans and the majority of the House was now Democratic, could there be a motion to
    vacate followed by the election of a Democrat as speaker?


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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 29 21:42:04 2023
    According to micky <[email protected]>:
    Why is the Speaker 3rd in line for the Presidency. If Potus and the VP
    die, the presidency changes, these days, from Democratic to Republican.
    I thought they amended the Constiution early on to prevent this sort of
    thing (by having the P and VP from the same party.)

    Nope. The Constitution originally said that each elector cast two
    votes, with the person getting the most votes becoming President and
    the runner-up becoming vice president. In the 1780s there were no
    parties yet. But by 1800 there sure were, with pairs of candidates
    running as a slate, the plan being that one elector would not vote for
    the VP candidate as happened in 1796. Except in 1800 he forgot, or
    screwed up, or something, Jefferson and Burr got the same number of
    electoral votes even though everyone knew J was supposed to be pres
    and B to be VP, The election went to the House, and it was a huge
    mess. The 12th amendment adjusted to reality with separate votes for P
    and VP. In practice they always run as a slate but there is no
    requirement they do so.

    The Constitution says that if the prsident dies, the "Powers and
    Duties" shall devolve on the Vice President, but it wasn't clear
    whether thaat meant he became President or was just Acting President.
    When W. H. Harrison died, Tyler insisteed he was President and
    pointedly ignored anyone who addressed him as acting president. (He
    was known as His Accidency.) It wasn't until the 25th Amendment in
    1967 that the Constitution specifically said that the VP becomes
    President, although by 1848 when Taylor died, Fillmore became
    President, with no arguemnt that he was just acting.

    If the P dies and
    before a new VP is confirmed the VP dies, the presidency can change
    parties. What is this, England? Have there been efforts to change
    this?

    The Constitution says that Congress says who becomes President if
    there is neither a President nor a Vice President. An act in 1792 made
    the Senate president pro tem the temporary president until a special
    election the following year. Another act in 1886 made the cabinet
    secretaries become president, in the order the departments were
    created. In 1957 they changed it to speaker, president pro tem, then
    cabinet.

    The argument for the cabinet is that they're likely to continue the
    President's policies, the argument for the Speaker and pro tem is that
    they are elected rather than appointed. Pick your poison.
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