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  • Would this be a possible Plea bargain for Trump?

    From Rick@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 23 07:44:31 2022
    Is there a world where prosecutors could offer Trump a plea bargain deal
    that essentially says all charges would be dropped in return for a
    commitment from Trump never to run for public office again?

    Now I realize there are both federal and state charges being considered
    against Trump so there are literally multiple sets of prosecutors who would have to somehow coordinate this. And I also realize there are pros and cons over whether such an offer would be in the public interest and would even be considered. But I'm just talking about the legal issues here. Can a prosecutor effectively agree to drop all charges against someone in return
    for an agreement from the person to essentially not do something - in this case, ever run for office again? Can such an agreement possibly be enforced and has a deal like this like this ever been done with a major political figure?

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  • From Barry Gold@21:1/5 to Rick on Wed Nov 23 13:07:08 2022
    On 11/23/2022 7:44 AM, Rick wrote:
    Is there a world where prosecutors could offer Trump a plea bargain deal
    that essentially says all charges would be dropped in return for a
    commitment from Trump never to run for public office again?

    Now I realize there are both federal and state charges being considered against Trump so there are literally multiple sets of prosecutors who
    would have to somehow coordinate this.  And I also realize there are
    pros and cons over whether such an offer would be in the public interest
    and would even be considered.  But I'm just talking about the legal
    issues here.  Can a prosecutor effectively agree to drop all charges
    against someone in return for an agreement from the person to
    essentially not do something - in this case, ever run for office again?
    Can such an agreement possibly be enforced and has a deal like this like
    this ever been done with a major political figure?

    As a plea bargain, I think it would take the form of:

    Trump pleads guilty to one or more charges (carry significant prison
    time) and all parties agree that the prison term will be suspended on
    condition that he never run for elective office -- or accept an
    appointment to any position "of trust or profit" in the US government --
    again.

    I would find such a deal tempting. But on reflection, I think justice
    would be better served by a deal where he agrees to pay all the people
    he stiffed in his various real-estate deals. Let's say that anybody who
    ended up receiving less than 75% of the original billing gets the
    difference between what he got and 75% or the billed amount.

    Applicants would have to show some proof of having tried to get paid and
    either getting nothing or accepting an "out of court settlement" for substantially less than that original contract specified.

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  • From Elle N@21:1/5 to Rick on Wed Nov 23 16:45:37 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:44:34 AM UTC-6, Rick wrote:
    Is there a world where prosecutors could offer Trump a plea bargain deal
    that essentially says all charges would be dropped in return for a
    commitment from Trump never to run for public office again?

    Here is a lengthy analysis of this possibility:

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/not-panacea-trump-disqualification-and-plea-bargains

    The author's bottom line: Trump lawfully forfeiting the right
    to run again (because of a plea bargain like that described above)
    is not likely.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to Rick on Thu Nov 24 07:43:25 2022
    In misc.legal.moderated, on Wed, 23 Nov 2022 07:44:31 -0800 (PST),
    "Rick" <[email protected]> wrote:

    Is there a world where prosecutors could offer Trump a plea bargain deal
    that essentially says all charges would be dropped in return for a
    commitment from Trump never to run for public office again?

    Now I realize there are both federal and state charges being considered >against Trump so there are literally multiple sets of prosecutors who would >have to somehow coordinate this. And I also realize there are pros and cons >over whether such an offer would be in the public interest and would even be >considered. But I'm just talking about the legal issues here. Can a >prosecutor effectively agree to drop all charges against someone in return >for an agreement from the person to essentially not do something - in this >case, ever run for office again? Can such an agreement possibly be enforced >and has a deal like this like this ever been done with a major political >figure?

    If there were a deal, I would like that to be in it, but like Barry, I'd
    want more. I'd want a statement from him that the 2020 election in the
    states was accurately counted, there was only a teeny tiny bit of voter
    fraud and as much or more was in my favor (trump's) and the national
    vote count was correct, and I waa lying when I said otherwise. People
    who imitated me by refusing to accept vote counting as the states
    normally do it are as guilty as I was, or they are fools.

    (And maybe I'd want some other things too.)

    The problem with this is that 2 days later, he'd be hinting and 2 weeks
    later he'd be saying that he only said these things because the
    witch-hunting Democrat government forced him too and it was all false.

    I'd like a jury of 12 to say he tried to steal the election.

    The problem with that is that a trumpie might lie his way onto the jury
    and hang it. Also the next time. And the next. This problem applies
    to the Georgia case too, the old NY one, the new NY one, and maybe all
    of them.


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  • From Rick@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 24 07:30:47 2022
    "Elle N" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:44:34 AM UTC-6, Rick wrote:
    Is there a world where prosecutors could offer Trump a plea bargain deal
    that essentially says all charges would be dropped in return for a
    commitment from Trump never to run for public office again?

    Here is a lengthy analysis of this possibility:

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/not-panacea-trump-disqualification-and-plea-bargains

    The author's bottom line: Trump lawfully forfeiting the right
    to run again (because of a plea bargain like that described above)
    is not likely.

    Interesting article - thanks for sharing it.

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