• Climate Group Suffers Massive Blow in Court

    From useapen@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 31 07:57:59 2025
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    Environmental group Greenpeace has been ordered to pay over $660 million
    by a North Dakota jury following protests against the Dakota Access
    Pipeline. Energy Transfer, along with its subsidiary Dakota Access,
    accused Greenpeace entities of defamation, trespassing, nuisance, and
    civil conspiracy. Greenpeace plans to appeal the decision, and senior
    legal adviser Deepa Padmanabha emphasized that the group�s work will
    continue regardless of the ruling.

    Greenpeace stated, �Although a jury of nine people in North Dakota has
    decided that Greenpeace entities are liable for over $660 million in
    damages, this isn�t over.�

    Greenpeace has called the lawsuit �meritless,� warning that the hefty
    damages could threaten its financial stability. Greenpeace USA was found
    liable for all charges, while the other entities have been liable for
    some.

    Greenpeace said, �We�re going to appeal. And we�re prepared to fight this
    all the way to victory. We absolutely believe in our legal defense. We
    believe the law is fully on our side. We believe in what we did at
    Standing Rock, and that ultimately we will prevail against this meritless lawsuit.�

    Greenpeace added, �We�ve fought Energy Transfer�s lawsuits for more than
    seven years. Every step of the way, we�ve emphasized that these types of lawsuits � intended to silence and shut down critics � are part of a
    growing national attack on our First Amendment rights.�

    Energy Transfer referred to the verdict as a victory for Americans who understand the distinction between lawful protest and illegal actions. The company expressed satisfaction in the accountability imposed on
    Greenpeace.

    Greenpeace interim executive director Sushma Raman stated that the case represents a broader effort by corporations to stifle dissent. The legal
    battle originates from protests against the Dakota Access Pipeline from
    2016 to 2017.

    Raman said, �This case should alarm everyone, no matter their political inclinations,� adding, �It�s part of a renewed push by corporations to weaponize our courts to silence dissent. We should all be concerned about
    the future of the First Amendment, and lawsuits like this aimed at
    destroying our rights to peaceful protest and free speech.�

    The Standing Rock Sioux Tribe previously raised concerns about potential
    water contamination and land harm. Thousands of protesters camped near the Standing Rock Reservation, where the pipeline crosses the Missouri River.

    Energy Transfer wrote, �While we are pleased that Greenpeace has been held accountable for their actions against us, this win is really for the
    people of Mandan and throughout North Dakota who had to live through the
    daily harassment and disruptions caused by the protesters who were funded
    and trained by Greenpeace.�

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/climate-group-suffers-massive-blow- in-court/ar-AA1BVnrb

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Darth Xmas on Mon Mar 31 15:30:02 2025
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    "Darth Xmas" <[email protected]d> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    On Mon, 31 Mar 2025 07:57:59 -0000 (UTC), useapen <[email protected]> wrote:

    Environmental group Greenpeace has been ordered to pay over $660 million

    Green Peace will just file for bankruptcy. This corp. won't collect a
    dime. This is a Pyrrhic victory for them.

    No, means their insurance has to pay off, and any others with similar activities will find it much much harder to obtain asserts, insurance, or financial support as they are now going to be seen as high risk. Which means much less of any budget can actually fund such activities even assuming they can get anything like the revenue Green Peace had.

    Further, the leadership could now be subject to personal suit for any activities that led to the downfall of green peace.

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  • From Darth Xmas@21:1/5 to JTEM on Tue Apr 1 14:26:01 2025
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    On Mon, 31 Mar 2025 16:22:29 -0400, JTEM <[email protected]> wrote:

    Will make it harder & harder for these idiots to get insurance.


    In the activist world no one is required to get insurance.
    "I'm going to sue ya! What? You want to win a bag of dicks
    or something?

    Stupid is and stupid does.

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  • From Darth Xmas@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 31 13:16:43 2025
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    On Mon, 31 Mar 2025 07:57:59 -0000 (UTC), useapen <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Environmental group Greenpeace has been ordered to pay over $660 million

    Green Peace will just file for bankruptcy. This corp. won't collect a
    dime. This is a Pyrrhic victory for them.

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  • From Mikey@21:1/5 to Scout on Tue Apr 1 21:30:08 2025
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    On 2025-03-31, Scout <[email protected]> wrote:


    "Darth Xmas" <[email protected]d> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    On Mon, 31 Mar 2025 07:57:59 -0000 (UTC), useapen <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Environmental group Greenpeace has been ordered to pay over $660 million

    Green Peace will just file for bankruptcy. This corp. won't collect a
    dime. This is a Pyrrhic victory for them.

    No, means their insurance has to pay off, and any others with similar activities will find it much much harder to obtain asserts, insurance, or financial support as they are now going to be seen as high risk. Which means

    What are they going to go after the tens of thousands of people that
    donated to greenpeace for decades?

    :ROLLEYES:

    That sure would be costly in attorney fees by the plaintiff.

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  • From Mikey@21:1/5 to useapen on Tue Apr 1 21:30:07 2025
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    On 2025-03-31, useapen <[email protected]> wrote:
    Environmental group Greenpeace has been ordered to pay over $660 million
    by a North Dakota jury following protests against the Dakota Access

    Just another issue that will be dismissed in Bankruptcy Court.
    They were not malcious in their protest. If they drove their
    car drunk into the CEO then that would be malcious.

    YAWN!

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  • From Sam@21:1/5 to JTEM on Tue Apr 1 14:29:00 2025
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    On Mon, 31 Mar 2025 16:22:29 -0400, JTEM <[email protected]> wrote:

    "You can't sue me, all I did was make the decisions!"

    I'm your Huckleberry!

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  • From Max@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 7 04:36:00 2025
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    On 31 Mar 2025, JTEM <[email protected]> posted some news:vseti6$162ie$[email protected]:

    Darth Xmas wrote:

    useapen <[email protected]> wrote:

    Environmental group Greenpeace has been ordered to pay over $660
    million

    Green Peace will just file for bankruptcy. This corp. won't collect
    a dime. This is a Pyrrhic victory for them.

    Will make it harder & harder for these idiots to get insurance. Which
    will leave the individual organizers vulnerable to lawsuits.

    "You can't sue me, all I did was make the decisions!"

    Yeah, ain't going to fly...

    I'm fresh out of sympathy after all the vandalism climatists have
    engaged in over the past few years.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to JTEM on Wed May 7 13:32:56 2025
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    JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:vvev8j$r435$[email protected]:

    On 5/7/25 12:36 AM, Max wrote:

    I'm fresh out of sympathy after all the vandalism climatists have
    engaged in over the past few years.

    I'm antagonistic at this point. It's one thing to be passionate
    but, ignorant of their own issue AND passionate about it? Sheesh!

    Ask them simple questions like "When did it start?" and "How much
    CO2 did it take to kick it off???" These questions lead directly
    to "How low do we need to go to reverse it?"


    Who would listen to crazy climate
    activist bureaucrats anyway, you
    know?





    Trump's defense chief cites climate
    change as national security challenge
    14 MAR 2017
    https://tinyurl.com/569epfpc



    Pentagon Warns of Dire Risk to Bases, Troops From
    Climate Change
    January 18, 2019
    https://tinyurl.com/rl4x3nx



    New Pentagon Report: "The effects of a changing
    climate are a national security issue"
    JAn 18, 2019
    https://tinyurl.com/y753qswr



    Sea Level Rise Damaging More U.S. Bases,
    Former Top Military Brass Warn
    FEB 26, 2018
    https://tinyurl.com/zrcfppb


    Pentagon is still preparing for global
    warming even though Trump said to stop
    Sep 12, 2017
    http://tinyurl.com/4z4txh27

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to JTEM on Thu May 8 02:14:40 2025
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    JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:vvg7gm$15ii1$[email protected]:


    Fossil fuels shade the earth, with all the particulates, while
    the sulfur converts into an aerosol and bounces energy from the
    sun back out into space, so it never reaches us in the first
    place.


    Who told you that?

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  • From Kenny McCormack@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu May 8 09:54:38 2025
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    In article <[email protected]>,
    Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:
    JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:vvg7gm$15ii1$[email protected]:


    Fossil fuels shade the earth, with all the particulates, while
    the sulfur converts into an aerosol and bounces energy from the
    sun back out into space, so it never reaches us in the first
    place.


    Who told you that?



    The voices inside his head.

    --
    Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves.
    Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Kenny McCormack on Thu May 8 03:44:35 2025
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    On 8/5/25 2:54, [email protected] (Kenny McCormack) wrote:
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:
    JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:vvg7gm$15ii1$[email protected]:


    Fossil fuels shade the earth, with all the particulates, while
    the sulfur converts into an aerosol and bounces energy from the
    sun back out into space, so it never reaches us in the first
    place.


    Who told you that?



    The voices inside his head.


    We have competing processes. Some warm the atmosphere, some cool
    it. That does not prove which process is more effective.

    --
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  • From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 8 16:46:21 2025
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    In article <[email protected]>,
    Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:
    JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:vvg7gm$15ii1$[email protected]:


    Fossil fuels shade the earth, with all the particulates, while
    the sulfur converts into an aerosol and bounces energy from the
    sun back out into space, so it never reaches us in the first
    place.


    Who told you that?



    The voices inside his head.


    I want more coal because it kills 30,000 Americans / year, mostly Trump supporters.

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  • From Kenny McCormack@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu May 8 17:19:01 2025
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    In article <vvin4t$8fjc$[email protected]>,
    Pluted Pup <[email protected]> wrote:
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:
    JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:vvg7gm$15ii1$[email protected]:


    Fossil fuels shade the earth, with all the particulates, while
    the sulfur converts into an aerosol and bounces energy from the
    sun back out into space, so it never reaches us in the first
    place.


    Who told you that?



    (I wrote this gem, not Mitchell:)
    The voices inside his head.


    I want more coal because it kills 30,000 Americans / year, mostly Trump >supporters.

    Yes. That's a good reason to support coal.

    Help stamp out West Virginians.

    --
    It's all Al Gore's fault...

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  • From Peter Kent Navarro@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 8 21:57:42 2025
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    In article <vvin4t$8fjc$[email protected]>,
    Pluted Pup <[email protected]> wrote:
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:
    JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:vvg7gm$15ii1$[email protected]:


    Fossil fuels shade the earth, with all the particulates, while
    the sulfur converts into an aerosol and bounces energy from the
    sun back out into space, so it never reaches us in the first
    place.


    Who told you that?



    (I wrote this gem, not Mitchell:)
    The voices inside his head.


    I want more coal because it kills 30,000 Americans / year, mostly Trump >>supporters.

    Yes. That's a good reason to support coal.

    Help stamp out West Virginians.


    Try to die sooner.

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Kenny McCormack on Thu May 8 17:52:33 2025
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    On 8/5/25 10:19, [email protected] (Kenny McCormack) wrote:
    I want more coal because it kills 30,000 Americans / year, mostly Trump
    supporters.
    Yes. That's a good reason to support coal.

    Help stamp out West Virginians.


    We need the next generation of miners who will get black lung to
    support the previous generation of miners with black lung.

    --
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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Fri May 9 02:17:30 2025
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    Siri Cruz <[email protected]> wrote in news:vvjjkf$29nic$5@dont-
    email.me:

    On 8/5/25 10:19, [email protected] (Kenny McCormack) wrote:
    I want more coal because it kills 30,000 Americans / year, mostly Trump
    supporters.
    Yes. That's a good reason to support coal.

    Help stamp out West Virginians.


    We need the next generation of miners who will get black lung to
    support the previous generation of miners with black lung.



    "Mamas, don't let your sons grow up to become minres"

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Fri May 9 06:48:33 2025
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    Siri Cruz wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On 8/5/25 10:19, [email protected] (Kenny McCormack) wrote:
    I want more coal because it kills 30,000 Americans / year, mostly Trump
    supporters.
    Yes. That's a good reason to support coal.

    Help stamp out West Virginians.

    We need the next generation of miners who will get black lung to
    support the previous generation of miners with black lung.

    Or pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis.

    --
    "Uncle Cosmo ... why do they call this a word processor?"
    "It's simple, Skyler ... you've seen what food processors do to food, right?"
    -- MacNelley, "Shoe"

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to JTEM on Fri May 9 13:33:24 2025
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    JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:vvjrio$2g5ji$[email protected]:

    On 5/7/25 10:14 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:vvg7gm$15ii1$[email protected]:


    Fossil fuels shade the earth, with all the particulates, while
    the sulfur converts into an aerosol and bounces energy from the
    sun back out into space, so it never reaches us in the first
    place.

    Who told you that?

    Lol! How do you not know?

    It's not only true but, like all REAL science, it's always true and
    not just true sometimes. So when large volcanoes erupt spewing a
    great deal of sulfur and ash, we see cooling. When Toba exploded
    about 74,000 years ago it tool the northern hemisphere roughly a
    thousand years to fully recover, and in the mean time it saw
    temperatures dip 20F below normal.


    What does that have to do with fossil fuels?


    Of course humans can't match the emissions of a super volcano.. we'd
    be hard pressed to meet the emissions of a large or even medium
    volcano...


    What does that have to do with fossil fuels?


    Sulfur is the immediate killer. Lots of that in our fossil fuels,
    this CLIMATE COOLING sulfur, especially coal. We've made a great
    many efforts to lower sulfur emissions, here in the west (and only
    the west), which you can "Study" by visiting the closest gas
    station and reading the diesel pump.


    "Climate cooling sulfur"?

    What?


    "The gas, sulfur hexafluoride, is "the most
    potent greenhouse gas known to date," according
    to the Environmental Protection Agency. It's
    22,800 times more effective at trapping heat
    than carbon dioxide, and lasts in the atmosphere
    for thousands of years." https://www.npr.org/2022/08/15/1115973343/why-scientists-have-pumped-a- potent-greenhouse-gas-into-streams-on-public-lands

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Fri May 9 06:17:40 2025
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    On 9/5/25 3:48, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    Siri Cruz wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On 8/5/25 10:19, [email protected] (Kenny McCormack) wrote:
    I want more coal because it kills 30,000 Americans / year, mostly Trump >>>>> supporters.
    Yes. That's a good reason to support coal.

    Help stamp out West Virginians.

    We need the next generation of miners who will get black lung to
    support the previous generation of miners with black lung.

    Or pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis.


    That always just dances off the tongue.

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