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    From uncle_vito@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 12 09:14:21 2023
    Both had secret docs. Both must be prosecuted. LOL.

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  • From DirtBag@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 12 09:52:49 2023
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:14:25 AM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    Both had secret docs. Both must be prosecuted. LOL.

    Not even close... Your hero Trump took hundreds of files with him to a storage locker. Biden left one file in a desk that was secure. I bet you shit yourself in your excitement! Sorry but you are wrong Vito. Biden screwed up. But Donald Trump
    action was criminal.

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  • From uncle_vito@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Jan 12 15:47:00 2023
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:52:52 AM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:14:25 AM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    Both had secret docs. Both must be prosecuted. LOL.
    Not even close... Your hero Trump took hundreds of files with him to a storage locker. Biden left one file in a desk that was secure. I bet you shit yourself in your excitement! Sorry but you are wrong Vito. Biden screwed up. But Donald Trump action
    was criminal.

    Then why is AG Garland going after Biden? Thanks to Biden, Trump walks. LOL.

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  • From DirtBag@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 13 07:26:04 2023
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:47:03 PM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:52:52 AM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:14:25 AM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    Both had secret docs. Both must be prosecuted. LOL.
    Not even close... Your hero Trump took hundreds of files with him to a storage locker. Biden left one file in a desk that was secure. I bet you shit yourself in your excitement! Sorry but you are wrong Vito. Biden screwed up. But Donald Trump action
    was criminal.

    Then why is AG Garland going after Biden? Thanks to Biden, Trump walks. LOL.

    I will have to read more on the situation. I doubt that this negates Trump. Stay tuned.

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  • From DirtBag@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 13 08:18:08 2023
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:47:03 PM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:52:52 AM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:14:25 AM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    Both had secret docs. Both must be prosecuted. LOL.
    Not even close... Your hero Trump took hundreds of files with him to a storage locker. Biden left one file in a desk that was secure. I bet you shit yourself in your excitement! Sorry but you are wrong Vito. Biden screwed up. But Donald Trump action
    was criminal.
    Then why is AG Garland going after Biden? Thanks to Biden, Trump walks. LOL.

    We must have ages limits for the office of the President. 45-60 seems to be the sweet spot. What do you think?

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  • From DirtBag@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 13 12:12:46 2023
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:47:03 PM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:52:52 AM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:14:25 AM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    Both had secret docs. Both must be prosecuted. LOL.
    Not even close... Your hero Trump took hundreds of files with him to a storage locker. Biden left one file in a desk that was secure. I bet you shit yourself in your excitement! Sorry but you are wrong Vito. Biden screwed up. But Donald Trump action
    was criminal.
    Then why is AG Garland going after Biden? Thanks to Biden, Trump walks. LOL.

    Where did you read that? They are two seperate cases and will be investigated as such...

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  • From DirtBag@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 14 13:09:34 2023
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:14:25 AM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    Both had secret docs. Both must be prosecuted. LOL.


    Yep.. It appears Biden had several important papers in his garage. Maybe he should resign. He is old anyway for the Office of the Presidency. Senile Joe needs to resign.. Kamila is on deck..

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  • From uncle_vito@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Jan 14 19:49:22 2023
    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 1:09:37 PM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:14:25 AM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    Both had secret docs. Both must be prosecuted. LOL.
    Yep.. It appears Biden had several important papers in his garage. Maybe he should resign. He is old anyway for the Office of the Presidency. Senile Joe needs to resign.. Kamila is on deck..


    You can't let Biden off yet prosecute Trump for the same thing, Same with Hillary. Double std here. OK for Dems but not for GOP.

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  • From Winston@21:1/5 to DirtBag on Sun Jan 15 08:32:27 2023
    DirtBag <[email protected]> writes:
    Senile Joe needs to resign.. Kamila is on deck..

    It's not clear (to me) whether Kamila is Constitutionally allowed to be President.

    On the one hand, Article 2 Section 1 of the Constitution says the
    President must be a natural born Citizen (or, now, ~237 years old).
    Kamila isn't. If she can't serve, then next in line (IIRC), is the
    Speaker of the House.

    [Actually, I heard a "Trump 2022" plan floating around months before
    the last election that went something like:

    "red wave" gaining control of both houses,
    impeach and convict Biden, so he's removed from office,
    Kamila can't be President, so it would go to the Speaker (Kevin),
    he appoints Trump as VP,
    then steps down to be Speaker again,
    making Trump President.

    Far-fetched, but imaginative.]

    On the other hand, Amendment XXV says, without any qualification, if the President can't fulfill his duties, then the duties go to the VP, and
    (in my lay interpretation), the Amendment would prevail precisely
    because it's an Amendment.

    My guess is that the actual result would be an immediate Court challenge
    to decide the issue.
    -WBE

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  • From DirtBag@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 15 08:54:32 2023
    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 7:49:25 PM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 1:09:37 PM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:14:25 AM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    Both had secret docs. Both must be prosecuted. LOL.
    Yep.. It appears Biden had several important papers in his garage. Maybe he should resign. He is old anyway for the Office of the Presidency. Senile Joe needs to resign.. Kamila is on deck..
    You can't let Biden off yet prosecute Trump for the same thing, Same with Hillary. Double std here. OK for Dems but not for GOP.

    Biden didn't refuse to give them back. He was honorable. Trump was NOT

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  • From DirtBag@21:1/5 to Winston on Sun Jan 15 09:14:52 2023
    On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 5:32:23 AM UTC-8, Winston wrote:
    DirtBag <[email protected]> writes:
    Senile Joe needs to resign.. Kamila is on deck..
    It's not clear (to me) whether Kamila is Constitutionally allowed to be President.

    On the one hand, Article 2 Section 1 of the Constitution says the
    President must be a natural born Citizen (or, now, ~237 years old).
    Kamila isn't. If she can't serve, then next in line (IIRC), is the
    Speaker of the House.

    [Actually, I heard a "Trump 2022" plan floating around months before
    the last election that went something like:

    "red wave" gaining control of both houses,
    impeach and convict Biden, so he's removed from office,
    Kamila can't be President, so it would go to the Speaker (Kevin),
    he appoints Trump as VP,
    then steps down to be Speaker again,
    making Trump President.

    Far-fetched, but imaginative.]

    On the other hand, Amendment XXV says, without any qualification, if the President can't fulfill his duties, then the duties go to the VP, and
    (in my lay interpretation), the Amendment would prevail precisely
    because it's an Amendment.

    My guess is that the actual result would be an immediate Court challenge
    to decide the issue.
    -WBE

    I didn't know Kamila wasn't a natural born Citizen. My bad.

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  • From DirtBag@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 15 10:06:15 2023
    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 7:49:25 PM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 1:09:37 PM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:14:25 AM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    Both had secret docs. Both must be prosecuted. LOL.
    Yep.. It appears Biden had several important papers in his garage. Maybe he should resign. He is old anyway for the Office of the Presidency. Senile Joe needs to resign.. Kamila is on deck..
    You can't let Biden off yet prosecute Trump for the same thing, Same with Hillary. Double std here. OK for Dems but not for GOP.


    Stop your crying...
    I feel that Joe Biden should be honorable and step down for one reason..
    He has Dementia. Kamila should be POTUS.

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  • From DirtBag@21:1/5 to Winston on Sun Jan 15 12:04:50 2023
    On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 5:32:23 AM UTC-8, Winston wrote:
    DirtBag <[email protected]> writes:
    Senile Joe needs to resign.. Kamila is on deck..
    It's not clear (to me) whether Kamila is Constitutionally allowed to be President.
    On the one hand, Article 2 Section 1 of the Constitution says the
    President must be a natural born Citizen (or, now, ~237 years old).
    Kamila isn't. If she can't serve, then next in line (IIRC), is the
    Speaker of the House.

    [Actually, I heard a "Trump 2022" plan floating around months before
    the last election that went something like:

    "red wave" gaining control of both houses,
    impeach and convict Biden, so he's removed from office,
    Kamila can't be President, so it would go to the Speaker (Kevin),
    he appoints Trump as VP,
    then steps down to be Speaker again,
    making Trump President.

    Far-fetched, but imaginative.]

    On the other hand, Amendment XXV says, without any qualification, if the President can't fulfill his duties, then the duties go to the VP, and
    (in my lay interpretation), the Amendment would prevail precisely
    because it's an Amendment.

    My guess is that the actual result would be an immediate Court challenge
    to decide the issue.
    -WBE

    It seems rather complicated eh? We must have age limits for President, Vice President.

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  • From Winston@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 15 18:15:26 2023
    Something came up that made me wonder if I'd missed something. I don't
    like being wrong :-), so I did a bit more investigating, just in case.

    I spent a while doing several Google searches.

    Many newspaper articles (mostly from 2020) regarding whether Kamala
    Harris qualifies as a "natural born citizen" seem to have been written
    to intentionally confuse "natural born citizen" with "citizen". Other
    articles are just outright wrong, claiming that merely being born on
    U.S. territory qualifies as "natural born".

    There's no question she's a "citizen": she was born in Oakland, CA, and
    her parents weren't diplomats or other exceptions.

    Being a "natural born citizen", however, additionally requires that both parents be U.S. citizens (either natural born or naturalized) at the
    time of birth (although one article I saw suggested that "by the child's
    16th birthday" was good enough, too). That's mainly so there's no
    question of whether the child can be claimed as a citizen of a foreign
    country via the parents.

    [E.g., a child born to U.S. citizen parents in a foreign country is
    still a U.S. citizen. Similarly, a child born here to foreigners may
    have citizenship in the parents' country. The case where only 1 parent
    is a U.S. citizen is more complicated.]

    Kamala's parents were from India and Jamaica. The father is a
    naturalized citizen now, but the web page articles I looked at
    (incl. Wikipedia) suggest he didn't become a naturalized citizen until
    well after her birth in 1964. I didn't come across anything saying her
    mother had ever become a U.S. citizen. In 1964, her parents were
    foreigners here on student and work visas (IIUC), so, if that's right,
    then neither was a U.S. citizen.

    These 2 references looked they actually knew what they were talking
    about regarding the legal definition of "natural born citizen" in the
    U.S.:

    https://www.jayweller.com/natural-born-citizen-defined/

    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-birthright-citizenship-debate-returns-for-2020-election

    In any case, it looks like what I posted previously is not wrong,
    -WBE

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  • From DirtBag@21:1/5 to Winston on Sun Jan 15 15:26:19 2023
    On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 5:32:23 AM UTC-8, Winston wrote:
    DirtBag <[email protected]> writes:
    Senile Joe needs to resign.. Kamila is on deck..
    It's not clear (to me) whether Kamila is Constitutionally allowed to be President.

    On the one hand, Article 2 Section 1 of the Constitution says the
    President must be a natural born Citizen (or, now, ~237 years old).
    Kamila isn't. If she can't serve, then next in line (IIRC), is the
    Speaker of the House.

    [Actually, I heard a "Trump 2022" plan floating around months before
    the last election that went something like:

    "red wave" gaining control of both houses,
    impeach and convict Biden, so he's removed from office,
    Kamila can't be President, so it would go to the Speaker (Kevin),
    he appoints Trump as VP,
    then steps down to be Speaker again,
    making Trump President.

    Far-fetched, but imaginative.]

    On the other hand, Amendment XXV says, without any qualification, if the President can't fulfill his duties, then the duties go to the VP, and
    (in my lay interpretation), the Amendment would prevail precisely
    because it's an Amendment.

    My guess is that the actual result would be an immediate Court challenge
    to decide the issue.
    -WBE


    Pretty Crazy!
    I love a good train wreck...!

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  • From Alan Bowler@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 16 20:25:28 2023
    On 2023-01-12 6:47 p.m., uncle_vito wrote:

    Then why is AG Garland going after Biden? Thanks to Biden, Trump walks. LOL.

    When classified documents are mishandled an investigation needs to
    be done. Normally this is done by the regular FBI agents and prosecutors
    in the DOJ. However, the law requires special prosecutor in some cases involving people like the president or someone who is a declared
    candidate for the president.

    Garland appointed a special prosecutor for the Biden case right away,
    as the law required.

    When Trump declared himself a candidate the law required a special
    prosecutor and one was appointed.

    Until Trump declared himself a candidate the investigation was
    being done in Garland's slow methodical style. Now that it is out
    of Garland's chain of command it's being handled by someone
    with a track record of actively and successfully pursuing corruption
    and other crime by government officials (democrat and Republican).
    Trump has publicly attempt to deliberately taking the documents,
    an then proceeded to obstruct the recovery.

    So far there is no evidence Biden deliberately took the documents,
    it likely they were packed up by a sloppy assistant. Biden has
    promptly returned the documents. It is likely that the special
    prosecutor will conclude that there is no case here.

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  • From DirtBag@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 17 07:33:23 2023
    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 7:49:25 PM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 1:09:37 PM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:14:25 AM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    Both had secret docs. Both must be prosecuted. LOL.
    Yep.. It appears Biden had several important papers in his garage. Maybe he should resign. He is old anyway for the Office of the Presidency. Senile Joe needs to resign.. Kamila is on deck..
    You can't let Biden off yet prosecute Trump for the same thing, Same with Hillary. Double std here. OK for Dems but not for GOP.


    Sure we can.
    Trump is the worst piece of shit ever to flow down the sewer.

    Joe Biden is just too f--king old and senile for my liking. He must of known it too, That pisses me off.
    Resign Joe! I want to try out a woman for POTUS.

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  • From DirtBag@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 17 09:00:34 2023
    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 7:49:25 PM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 1:09:37 PM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:14:25 AM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    Both had secret docs. Both must be prosecuted. LOL.
    Yep.. It appears Biden had several important papers in his garage. Maybe he should resign. He is old anyway for the Office of the Presidency. Senile Joe needs to resign.. Kamila is on deck..
    You can't let Biden off yet prosecute Trump for the same thing, Same with Hillary. Double std here. OK for Dems but not for GOP.


    Stop your crying! I read you dribble. It is so pitiful.
    Firstly. TRUMP took papers and would not give them back. That was a crime. Where as Joe was having a senior moment... :-). I would like to see Kamila as the first woman POTUS.

    President Kamala Harris. Sounds sweet to me..

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  • From DirtBag@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 17 10:24:40 2023
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:14:25 AM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    Both had secret docs. Both must be prosecuted. LOL.

    But Trump refused to give the files back...
    were as Biden was cooperating with the invstgators .

    How do you SQUARE that?

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  • From DirtBag@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 17 11:49:13 2023
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:47:03 PM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:52:52 AM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:14:25 AM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    Both had secret docs. Both must be prosecuted. LOL.
    Not even close... Your hero Trump took hundreds of files with him to a storage locker. Biden left one file in a desk that was secure. I bet you shit yourself in your excitement! Sorry but you are wrong Vito. Biden screwed up. But Donald Trump action
    was criminal.

    Then why is AG Garland going after Biden? Thanks to Biden, Trump walks. LOL.

    It is not so 'Cut and CRY'. Biden will be OK.. But I will never will vote for a person over the age of 60 for President.. And definitely NOT a Crook like Trump.

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  • From Alan Bowler@21:1/5 to DirtBag on Tue Jan 17 19:47:33 2023
    On 2023-01-17 2:49 p.m., DirtBag wrote:


    It is not so 'Cut and CRY'. Biden will be OK..
    But I will never will vote for a person over the age of 60 for President..

    Being Canadian I don't get to choose, but if I did I would take
    Biden over Trump or DeSantis. Actually over any of the current House
    or Senate Republicans.

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  • From DirtBag@21:1/5 to Alan Bowler on Tue Jan 17 16:57:02 2023
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 4:47:37 PM UTC-8, Alan Bowler wrote:
    On 2023-01-17 2:49 p.m., DirtBag wrote:


    It is not so 'Cut and CRY'. Biden will be OK..
    But I will never will vote for a person over the age of 60 for President..
    Being Canadian I don't get to choose, but if I did I would take
    Biden over Trump or DeSantis. Actually over any of the current House
    or Senate Republicans.


    I hear that !

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  • From DirtBag@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 18 07:19:19 2023
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:47:03 PM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:52:52 AM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:14:25 AM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    Both had secret docs. Both must be prosecuted. LOL.
    Not even close... Your hero Trump took hundreds of files with him to a storage locker. Biden left one file in a desk that was secure. I bet you shit yourself in your excitement! Sorry but you are wrong Vito. Biden screwed up. But Donald Trump action
    was criminal.

    Then why is AG Garland going after Biden? Thanks to Biden, Trump walks. LOL.

    In your dreams maybe... But the facts are that Trump has always been a poison to are Union. He is NOT getting off..
    It appears Trump will be busy trying to raise money from his faithful idiots by telling them is is running again.
    Haven't you learned that Trump is NOTHING but a con-artist?

    Yes Biden is a senile old man. . But better than Trump. Pretty pitiful....Eh?

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  • From DirtBag@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 18 08:44:57 2023
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:47:03 PM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:52:52 AM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:14:25 AM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    Both had secret docs. Both must be prosecuted. LOL.
    Not even close... Your hero Trump took hundreds of files with him to a storage locker. Biden left one file in a desk that was secure. I bet you shit yourself in your excitement! Sorry but you are wrong Vito. Biden screwed up. But Donald Trump action
    was criminal.

    Then why is AG Garland going after Biden? Thanks to Biden, Trump walks. LOL.

    That is not how it works.

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  • From DirtBag@21:1/5 to DirtBag on Wed Jan 18 08:22:29 2023
    On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 12:12:50 PM UTC-8, DirtBag wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:47:03 PM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:52:52 AM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:14:25 AM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    Both had secret docs. Both must be prosecuted. LOL.
    Not even close... Your hero Trump took hundreds of files with him to a storage locker. Biden left one file in a desk that was secure. I bet you shit yourself in your excitement! Sorry but you are wrong Vito. Biden screwed up. But Donald Trump
    action was criminal.
    Then why is AG Garland going after Biden? Thanks to Biden, Trump walks. LOL.
    Where did you read that? They are two separate cases and will be investigated as such...


    Trump walks? HaHa. That is NOT how justice is served.

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  • From DirtBag@21:1/5 to Winston on Wed Jan 18 08:52:10 2023
    On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 3:15:25 PM UTC-8, Winston wrote:
    Something came up that made me wonder if I'd missed something. I don't
    like being wrong :-), so I did a bit more investigating, just in case.

    I spent a while doing several Google searches.

    Many newspaper articles (mostly from 2020) regarding whether Kamala
    Harris qualifies as a "natural born citizen" seem to have been written
    to intentionally confuse "natural born citizen" with "citizen". Other articles are just outright wrong, claiming that merely being born on
    U.S. territory qualifies as "natural born".

    There's no question she's a "citizen": she was born in Oakland, CA, and
    her parents weren't diplomats or other exceptions.

    Being a "natural born citizen", however, additionally requires that both parents be U.S. citizens (either natural born or naturalized) at the
    time of birth (although one article I saw suggested that "by the child's
    16th birthday" was good enough, too). That's mainly so there's no
    question of whether the child can be claimed as a citizen of a foreign country via the parents.

    [E.g., a child born to U.S. citizen parents in a foreign country is
    still a U.S. citizen. Similarly, a child born here to foreigners may
    have citizenship in the parents' country. The case where only 1 parent
    is a U.S. citizen is more complicated.]

    Kamala's parents were from India and Jamaica. The father is a
    naturalized citizen now, but the web page articles I looked at
    (incl. Wikipedia) suggest he didn't become a naturalized citizen until
    well after her birth in 1964. I didn't come across anything saying her
    mother had ever become a U.S. citizen. In 1964, her parents were
    foreigners here on student and work visas (IIUC), so, if that's right,
    then neither was a U.S. citizen.

    These 2 references looked they actually knew what they were talking
    about regarding the legal definition of "natural born citizen" in the
    U.S.:

    https://www.jayweller.com/natural-born-citizen-defined/

    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-birthright-citizenship-debate-returns-for-2020-election

    In any case, it looks like what I posted previously is not wrong,
    -WBE

    Thanks for your valued opinion Winston..

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  • From Alan Bowler@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 18 17:57:52 2023
    On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 3:15:25 PM UTC-8, Winston wrote:

    Being a "natural born citizen", however, additionally requires that both parents be U.S. citizens (either natural born or naturalized) at the
    time of birth (although one article I saw suggested that "by the child's
    16th birthday" was good enough, too). That's mainly so there's no
    question of whether the child can be claimed as a citizen of a foreign country via the parents.


    I think the technical term for this argument is "hogwash".

    Being a "natural born citizen" simply means that the person did not
    acquire citizenship through "naturalization", like Rupert Murdoch or
    Elon Musk. Usually, Americans get citizenship simply because they
    were born in the territory of the United States, and such people
    are natural born citizens. However if someone if born in foreign
    territory, and one or both parents are US citizens, the child is
    a natural born citizen of the US provided the parents register
    the child as a US citizen.

    That is how Ted Cruz came to be a natural born citizen of the USA,
    even though he was born in Canada and only recently renounced his
    Canadian citizenship.
    His mother was an American citizen and his father was a naturalized
    Canadian citizen; many years later his father became a naturalized
    US citizen.

    There are quite a large number of natural born US citizens who
    were born outside the USA. Military and diplomatic personnel
    serving abroad do have babies.

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  • From DirtBag@21:1/5 to Alan Bowler on Thu Jan 19 06:05:38 2023
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 4:47:37 PM UTC-8, Alan Bowler wrote:
    On 2023-01-17 2:49 p.m., DirtBag wrote:


    It is not so 'Cut and CRY'. Biden will be OK..
    But I will never will vote for a person over the age of 60 for President..

    Being Canadian I don't get to choose, but if I did I would take
    Biden over Trump or DeSantis. Actually over any of the current House
    or Senate Republicans.

    You're a wise man Alan. The GOP with the 'Shit Show' is the biggest threat to our country.
    I call for removing or *disposing* a few of the worst crazies in Congress. We all know who they are.

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  • From DirtBag@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 19 09:46:23 2023
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:47:03 PM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:52:52 AM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
    On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:14:25 AM UTC-8, uncle_vito wrote:
    Both had secret docs. Both must be prosecuted. LOL.
    Not even close... Your hero Trump took hundreds of files with him to a storage locker. Biden left one file in a desk that was secure. I bet you shit yourself in your excitement! Sorry but you are wrong Vito. Biden screwed up. But Donald Trump action
    was criminal.

    Then why is AG Garland going after Biden? Thanks to Biden, Trump walks. LOL.

    You are a Trump Fool, FOOL!

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