• Who was asking for proof that illegals are responsible for the increase

    From John Smyth@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 22 18:25:04 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans, alt.computer.workshop

    And they are .At least in part. Soft on crime liberals are also part of
    the problem.

    'Migrants flooding NYC’s justice system — making up ‘75% of arrests in Midtown’ — as ‘pathetic’ sanctuary city laws handcuff cops'

    <https://nypost.com/2024/09/02/us-news/migrants-flooding-nycs-justice-system-making-up-75-of-arrests-in-midtown-as-pathetic-sanctuary-city-laws-handcuff-cops/>


    And then of course these same soft on crime liberals are falsifying the statistics.


    <https://archive.is/JKnRe>

    In Battle Over D.C. Police, Federal Prosecutors Open Inquiry Into Crime
    Data
    The same U.S. attorney’s office that praised a drop in crime in the
    capital in April has begun an investigation into the Police Department resisting President Trump’s takeover.

    Listen to this article · 4:10 min Learn more
    A view at night of officers patrolling the streets as police sirens go
    off.
    City officials have challenged the rationale of such an aggressive
    assertion of power, noting that most major categories of crime have been falling since 2023.Credit...Eric Lee for The New York Times
    Devlin Barrett
    By Devlin Barrett


    The U.S. attorney’s office in Washington, D.C., is investigating whether
    city police officials falsified crime data, according to two people
    familiar with the matter — another salvo in the feud between federal and local authorities after the Trump administration seized control of law enforcement in the nation’s capital.

    The investigation is likely to prompt new criticism that the
    administration is using the levers of the criminal justice system to
    pursue the president’s political opponents. In justifying his takeover
    of the city’s police force, President Trump has claimed crime in

    Washington is worse than the statistics show.

    He revisited the claim on Monday when he disclosed in a social media
    post that an investigation had been opened into the issue.
    “D.C. gave Fake Crime numbers in order to create a false illusion of safety,” Mr. Trump wrote. “This is a very bad and dangerous thing to do, and they are under serious investigation for so doing!”

    How tabulating crime data from the local police could amount to a
    federal crime is not immediately clear, the two people said, though the
    effort aims to determine if there were false statements or fraud
    involved in producing the data.

    Prosecutors working for the U.S. attorney, Jeanine Pirro, opened the investigation in recent days, said the people, who spoke on the
    condition of anonymity to discuss a continuing inquiry.

    A spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office declined to comment. A
    spokesman for the Metropolitan Police Department did not immediately
    respond to a request for comment.
    In wresting control of the police force, Mr. Trump and his allies have challenged the accuracy of the District of Columbia’s crime statistics.

    They have pointed to a police official in the city’s Third District who
    was suspended this year in the middle of an internal inquiry into
    whether he downplayed the seriousness of some crimes. The head of the
    local police union has also claimed, amid a litany of complaints about
    the department’s senior leadership, that crimes have been deliberately undercounted.

    Mayor Muriel Bowser has said that the matter involved data anomalies in
    one of the city’s seven districts. “We are completing that
    investigation, and we don’t believe it implicates many cases,” she told NBC4 Washington in recent days.

    Since last Monday, Mr. Trump has declared an emergency in Washington,
    taken authority over the Police Department for 30 days and sent hundreds
    of National Guard troops and additional federal agents onto the streets
    to conduct patrols and stop cars, giving them a high-profile presence in
    daily life.

    City officials have challenged the rationale for such an aggressive
    assertion of power, noting that most major categories of crime have been falling since 2023. Homicides, for instance, have dropped 11 percent so
    far this year compared with the same period last year.

    In April, the same U.S. attorney’s office that is investigating the
    city’s crime data heralded its figures, praising a 25 percent drop in
    violent crime in Washington in the first 100 days of Mr. Trump’s administration.

    Last week, however, the president declared that crime in the capital was
    out of control and that his Justice Department would take over law
    enforcement work in the city.

    The standoff between federal and local authorities deepened after the
    city’s attorney general sued the administration on Friday over its
    efforts to tighten its grip on law enforcement. A day earlier, the

    Justice Department declared it would curb the police chief’s authority
    and demanded that local officers aid in immigration enforcement.
    federal judge may hold a hearing on the issue this week.

    Federal prosecutors are not the only ones trying to find evidence of a
    coverup on crime figures in Washington.
    Last week, a group founded by the Trump adviser Stephen Miller, America
    First Legal, said it was seeking police and city documents about
    possible problems with crime data

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to John Smyth on Sat Aug 23 21:13:11 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans

    On 2025-08-22, John Smyth <[email protected]> wrote:
    And they are .At least in part. Soft on crime liberals are also part of
    the problem.

    'Migrants flooding NYC’s justice system — making up ‘75% of arrests in Midtown’ — as ‘pathetic’ sanctuary city laws handcuff cops'

    <https://nypost.com/2024/09/02/us-news/migrants-flooding-nycs-justice-system-making-up-75-of-arrests-in-midtown-as-pathetic-sanctuary-city-laws-handcuff-cops/>


    And then of course these same soft on crime liberals are falsifying the statistics.


    <https://archive.is/JKnRe>

    In Battle Over D.C. Police, Federal Prosecutors Open Inquiry Into Crime
    Data
    The same U.S. attorney’s office that praised a drop in crime in the
    capital in April has begun an investigation into the Police Department resisting President Trump’s takeover.

    Listen to this article · 4:10 min Learn more
    A view at night of officers patrolling the streets as police sirens go
    off.
    City officials have challenged the rationale of such an aggressive
    assertion of power, noting that most major categories of crime have been falling since 2023.Credit...Eric Lee for The New York Times
    Devlin Barrett
    By Devlin Barrett


    The U.S. attorney’s office in Washington, D.C., is investigating whether city police officials falsified crime data, according to two people
    familiar with the matter — another salvo in the feud between federal and local authorities after the Trump administration seized control of law enforcement in the nation’s capital.

    The investigation is likely to prompt new criticism that the
    administration is using the levers of the criminal justice system to
    pursue the president’s political opponents. In justifying his takeover
    of the city’s police force, President Trump has claimed crime in

    Washington is worse than the statistics show.

    He revisited the claim on Monday when he disclosed in a social media
    post that an investigation had been opened into the issue.
    “D.C. gave Fake Crime numbers in order to create a false illusion of safety,” Mr. Trump wrote. “This is a very bad and dangerous thing to do, and they are under serious investigation for so doing!”

    How tabulating crime data from the local police could amount to a
    federal crime is not immediately clear, the two people said, though the effort aims to determine if there were false statements or fraud
    involved in producing the data.

    Prosecutors working for the U.S. attorney, Jeanine Pirro, opened the investigation in recent days, said the people, who spoke on the
    condition of anonymity to discuss a continuing inquiry.

    A spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office declined to comment. A
    spokesman for the Metropolitan Police Department did not immediately
    respond to a request for comment.
    In wresting control of the police force, Mr. Trump and his allies have challenged the accuracy of the District of Columbia’s crime statistics.

    They have pointed to a police official in the city’s Third District who
    was suspended this year in the middle of an internal inquiry into
    whether he downplayed the seriousness of some crimes. The head of the
    local police union has also claimed, amid a litany of complaints about
    the department’s senior leadership, that crimes have been deliberately undercounted.

    Mayor Muriel Bowser has said that the matter involved data anomalies in
    one of the city’s seven districts. “We are completing that
    investigation, and we don’t believe it implicates many cases,” she told NBC4 Washington in recent days.

    Since last Monday, Mr. Trump has declared an emergency in Washington,
    taken authority over the Police Department for 30 days and sent hundreds
    of National Guard troops and additional federal agents onto the streets
    to conduct patrols and stop cars, giving them a high-profile presence in daily life.

    City officials have challenged the rationale for such an aggressive
    assertion of power, noting that most major categories of crime have been falling since 2023. Homicides, for instance, have dropped 11 percent so
    far this year compared with the same period last year.

    In April, the same U.S. attorney’s office that is investigating the city’s crime data heralded its figures, praising a 25 percent drop in violent crime in Washington in the first 100 days of Mr. Trump’s administration.

    Last week, however, the president declared that crime in the capital was
    out of control and that his Justice Department would take over law enforcement work in the city.

    The standoff between federal and local authorities deepened after the city’s attorney general sued the administration on Friday over its
    efforts to tighten its grip on law enforcement. A day earlier, the

    Justice Department declared it would curb the police chief’s authority
    and demanded that local officers aid in immigration enforcement.
    federal judge may hold a hearing on the issue this week.

    Federal prosecutors are not the only ones trying to find evidence of a coverup on crime figures in Washington.
    Last week, a group founded by the Trump adviser Stephen Miller, America
    First Legal, said it was seeking police and city documents about
    possible problems with crime data
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    Up until the border invasion under Biden I would tend to agree. People came
    to US for the American dream, worked hard and in many cases were able
    to achieve that dream.

    Things are way different now. While there are certainly still people like the above,
    and more than likely a good portion of the migrants, many come here to cause chaos and crime while living off the government in sanctuary states which harbor them.

    --
    pothead

    "Our lives are fashioned by our choices. First we make our choices.
    Then our choices make us."
    -- Anne Frank

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Sun Aug 24 02:37:20 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans

    On 2025-08-24, Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:
    pothead <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:108dat7$2djvt$[email protected]:


    Up until the border invasion under Biden I would tend to agree. People
    came to US for the American dream, worked hard and in many cases were
    able to achieve that dream.

    Things are way different now. While there are certainly still people
    like the above, and more than likely a good portion of the migrants,
    many come here to cause chaos and crime while living off the
    government in sanctuary states which harbor them.


    If immigrants are such a greed selfish
    lot why does Trump keep hiring them?

    Yawwn.

    You need some new material Mitch.
    Nobody care, except maybe you.

    You know who cares about illegal aliens?

    The family and friends of those killed in the tractor trailer accident
    caused by an illegal who never should have been in the US and never shouold have been granted a CDL in sanctuary democrat states.

    That tragedy was 100% preventable.
    Hear anything on the MSM about the families?

    And there are many like this.
    Why do you progressive democrats support illegal migration?

    Oh yea, complain about Trump's landscapers.
    Big deal.
    Do you complain about the servers and kitchen help at your local diner?

    Ya'll are hypocrites just like the elite living on Martha's Vinyard
    who made sure the illegal migrants, except the ones landscaping their properties
    and cleaning their mansions, were out of town in 24 hours.

    And you wonder why I call the democrat party demonic.
    You guys really are.
    You seem to be on the wrong side of every issue.
    You support the criminals instead of the legal US citizens.
    It's sicko.








    --
    pothead

    "Our lives are fashioned by our choices. First we make our choices.
    Then our choices make us."
    -- Anne Frank

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to pothead on Sun Aug 24 02:20:32 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans

    pothead <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:108dat7$2djvt$[email protected]:


    Up until the border invasion under Biden I would tend to agree. People
    came to US for the American dream, worked hard and in many cases were
    able to achieve that dream.

    Things are way different now. While there are certainly still people
    like the above, and more than likely a good portion of the migrants,
    many come here to cause chaos and crime while living off the
    government in sanctuary states which harbor them.


    If immigrants are such a greed selfish
    lot why does Trump keep hiring them?




    Trump Org Keeps Bringing In Foreign
    Workers To Staff Its Clubs And Winery
    Jun 13, 2025,

    In a Truth Social post Thursday,
    Trump said his �very aggressive
    policy on immigration� is driving
    away long-time workers, citing
    complaints from the agricultural
    and hospitality industries�jobs
    those businesses are struggling
    to fill.

    At the same time, the Trump
    Organization has consistently
    made use of temporary visa
    programs to hire foreign
    workers for Mar-a-Lago, four
    golf clubs and his Virginia
    winery�filing to bring in at
    least 1,880 seasonal workers
    since 2008, including 382
    during Trump�s first term,
    according to Department of
    Labor data.

    The company�s use of short-
    term, temporary visas has
    increased steadily in recent
    years, from requesting 121 in
    2021 to asking for a high of
    178 in 2024.

    So far for 2025, the Trump
    Organization has posted to
    hire 31 foreign temporary
    workers for its winery,
    working from February
    through mid-October.

    The jobs�primarily servers,
    clerks, housekeepers, kitchen
    staff and farm workers�pay
    between $14.17 and $23.01 an
    hour.

    Spokespeople for the White
    House and the Trump
    Organization did not immediately
    respond to inquiries.
    https://tinyurl.com/2s3dyvzk

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to pothead on Sun Aug 24 13:49:36 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans

    pothead <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:108dtt0$2hs0u$[email protected]:

    On 2025-08-24, Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:
    pothead <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:108dat7$2djvt$[email protected]:


    Up until the border invasion under Biden I would tend to agree.
    People came to US for the American dream, worked hard and in many
    cases were able to achieve that dream.

    Things are way different now. While there are certainly still people
    like the above, and more than likely a good portion of the migrants,
    many come here to cause chaos and crime while living off the
    government in sanctuary states which harbor them.


    If immigrants are such a greed selfish
    lot why does Trump keep hiring them?

    Yawwn.

    You need some new material Mitch.
    Nobody care, except maybe you.

    You know who cares about illegal aliens?

    The family and friends of those killed in the tractor trailer accident
    caused by an illegal who never should have been in the US and never
    shouold have been granted a CDL in sanctuary democrat states.

    That tragedy was 100% preventable.
    Hear anything on the MSM about the families?

    And there are many like this.
    Why do you progressive democrats support illegal migration?

    Oh yea, complain about Trump's landscapers.
    Big deal.
    Do you complain about the servers and kitchen help at your local
    diner?

    Ya'll are hypocrites just like the elite living on Martha's Vinyard
    who made sure the illegal migrants, except the ones landscaping their properties and cleaning their mansions, were out of town in 24 hours.

    And you wonder why I call the democrat party demonic.
    You guys really are.
    You seem to be on the wrong side of every issue.
    You support the criminals instead of the legal US citizens.


    The party of the Jan 6 pardons
    pretends to care about crime.

    The party of bringing white
    South Africans says immigrants
    are "poisoning our blood"

    The party of "fewer regulations"
    is banning everything from pride parades
    to library books to medical care.

    The party of "open government"
    is hiding the Epstein file.

    The party of "protect American
    jobs" is heading by an industrialist
    who EXPORTS American jobs.

    And you dare to talk about hypocrisy?

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Sun Aug 24 14:53:22 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans

    On 2025-08-24, Governor Swill <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 02:37:20 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2025-08-24, Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:
    pothead <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:108dat7$2djvt$[email protected]:


    Up until the border invasion under Biden I would tend to agree. People >>>> came to US for the American dream, worked hard and in many cases were
    able to achieve that dream.

    Things are way different now. While there are certainly still people
    like the above, and more than likely a good portion of the migrants,
    many come here to cause chaos and crime while living off the
    government in sanctuary states which harbor them.


    If immigrants are such a greed selfish
    lot why does Trump keep hiring them?

    Yawwn.

    You need some new material Mitch.
    Nobody care, except maybe you.

    You might try answering the question instead of dodging it like usual.

    I'm not dodging anything.
    How am I supposed to know who and why Trump hires?
    And why should I care?
    Also I never said ALL migrants are bad, greedy people.
    Most probably aren't however they are still here illegally and there are enough bad actors roaming the streets to warrant rounding them up.

    Ask the families of the victims in that horrific 18 wheeler incident how THEY feel about illegal migrants.


    I support the legal citizens and especially the victims of crimes committed by the illegals.
    The democrats and left evidently do not.

    Move on.


    --
    pothead

    "Our lives are fashioned by our choices. First we make our choices.
    Then our choices make us."
    -- Anne Frank

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  • From Gronk@21:1/5 to pothead on Wed Aug 27 00:20:49 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans

    pothead wrote:
    On 2025-08-24, Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:
    pothead <[email protected]> wrote in

    You know who cares about illegal aliens?

    The family and friends of those killed in the tractor trailer accident
    caused by an illegal who never should have been in the US and never shouold have been granted a CDL in sanctuary democrat states.

    That tragedy was 100% preventable.
    Hear anything on the MSM about the families?

    And there are many like this.
    Do native born whites commit crimes? You know, like
    this

    https://arkansasadvocate.com/2025/08/04/fordyce-grocery-killer-sentenced-to-hundreds-of-years-in-prison/

    The man convicted of murdering four people and
    attempting to murder another 11 at the Mad Butcher
    grocery store in Fordyce last summer was sentenced
    Monday to four life sentences, plus 220 years,
    without the possibility of parole.

    Travis Posey, 46, of New Edinburg, accused of
    opening fire in the parking lot and inside the
    store, entered a guilty plea last month after
    accepting a deal in which prosecutors removed the
    death penalty.

    THAT TRAGEDY WAS 100% PREVENTABLE.
    Hear anything from RWM about the families?

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