• Major Shipping Company Halts All Electric Vehicle Transport Over Fire R

    From John Smyth@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 30 09:54:31 2025
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    Can't blame them.
    These EV are fire traps.

    'Major Shipping Company Halts All Electric Vehicle Transport Over Fire
    Risks'

    <https://www.autoblog.com/news/major-shipping-company-halts-all-electric-vehicle-transport-over-fire-risks>

    'Matson, a major U.S.-based cargo shipping company, has announced an
    immediate and indefinite halt to all shipments of electric vehicles
    (EVs) and plug-in hybrids (PHEVs) across its entire maritime network,
    citing rising concerns over fire hazards linked to lithium-ion
    batteries. The decision affects routes between the U.S. mainland,
    Hawaii, Guam, and Alaska, creating massive logistical headaches for both automakers and private owners trying to move EVs across the Pacific.

    This unprecedented move follows a string of high-profile shipping fires—including the June 2025 loss of the Morning Midas, which sank
    after a suspected battery-related blaze aboard its vehicle deck. Matson confirmed the decision in internal customer emails, noting the risk of
    thermal runaway and the challenges of suppressing EV battery fires at
    sea.


    Why EV Fires Are Different
    While EVs are statistically no more likely to catch fire than
    gasoline-powered vehicles, the fires they do produce are significantly
    more intense and difficult to extinguish. Lithium-ion battery packs are vulnerable to thermal runaway—a chain reaction that can produce extreme
    heat, reignite after extinguishment, and emit toxic gases. This is what
    doomed the Fremantle Highway in 2023, where over 3,000 cars, including
    500 EVs, were lost to an uncontrollable blaze.

    With vehicle decks packed tightly and often unattended mid-journey, a
    single battery failure can quickly become catastrophic. For shippers
    like Matson, the margin for error is effectively zero.


    Mounting EV Adoption Meets Maritime Reality
    The move arrives just as EV adoption in America gains momentum.
    According to recent CDK Global data, over 607,000 new EVs were sold in
    the U.S. during the first half of 2025, up 1.5% year-over-year—even amid
    a wider market dip. Yet despite broader adoption, consumer hesitations
    around EVs remain. A AAA survey in June revealed many Americans still
    cite charging infrastructure, range anxiety, and long-term durability as reasons to hold off.

    Ironically, repair data shows EVs are generally cheaper to maintain than
    their combustion counterparts—but they also spend longer in the shop,
    mainly due to parts shortages and specialist technician requirements.


    Battery Tech Advancing…Just Not Fast Enough
    Globally, battery technology continues to evolve. In China, a new EV
    featuring a semi-solid-state battery offering 333 miles of range has
    entered mass production—marking a potential turning point in range and charging efficiency. But the technology remains too expensive for
    widespread adoption, and the risk of fires hasn’t been eliminated.

    Until new standards emerge or fire suppression tech improves
    drastically, shipping companies may be forced to limit—or even ban—EV shipments altogether. Matson says it will not resume transport of EVs or
    PHEVs until “suitable industry-wide carriage and stowage protocols” are developed.

    With regulators like the International Maritime Organization now under
    pressure to act, this story could mark the beginning of a much broader reckoning for how the global supply chain handles electrification'

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to John Smyth on Wed Jul 30 20:08:19 2025
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    On 2025-07-30, John Smyth <[email protected]> wrote:
    Can't blame them.
    These EV are fire traps.

    'Major Shipping Company Halts All Electric Vehicle Transport Over Fire
    Risks'

    <https://www.autoblog.com/news/major-shipping-company-halts-all-electric-vehicle-transport-over-fire-risks>

    'Matson, a major U.S.-based cargo shipping company, has announced an immediate and indefinite halt to all shipments of electric vehicles
    (EVs) and plug-in hybrids (PHEVs) across its entire maritime network,
    citing rising concerns over fire hazards linked to lithium-ion
    batteries. The decision affects routes between the U.S. mainland,
    Hawaii, Guam, and Alaska, creating massive logistical headaches for both automakers and private owners trying to move EVs across the Pacific.

    This unprecedented move follows a string of high-profile shipping fires—including the June 2025 loss of the Morning Midas, which sank
    after a suspected battery-related blaze aboard its vehicle deck. Matson confirmed the decision in internal customer emails, noting the risk of thermal runaway and the challenges of suppressing EV battery fires at
    sea.


    Why EV Fires Are Different
    While EVs are statistically no more likely to catch fire than gasoline-powered vehicles, the fires they do produce are significantly
    more intense and difficult to extinguish. Lithium-ion battery packs are vulnerable to thermal runaway—a chain reaction that can produce extreme heat, reignite after extinguishment, and emit toxic gases. This is what doomed the Fremantle Highway in 2023, where over 3,000 cars, including
    500 EVs, were lost to an uncontrollable blaze.

    With vehicle decks packed tightly and often unattended mid-journey, a
    single battery failure can quickly become catastrophic. For shippers
    like Matson, the margin for error is effectively zero.


    Mounting EV Adoption Meets Maritime Reality
    The move arrives just as EV adoption in America gains momentum.
    According to recent CDK Global data, over 607,000 new EVs were sold in
    the U.S. during the first half of 2025, up 1.5% year-over-year—even amid
    a wider market dip. Yet despite broader adoption, consumer hesitations
    around EVs remain. A AAA survey in June revealed many Americans still
    cite charging infrastructure, range anxiety, and long-term durability as reasons to hold off.

    Ironically, repair data shows EVs are generally cheaper to maintain than their combustion counterparts—but they also spend longer in the shop, mainly due to parts shortages and specialist technician requirements.


    Battery Tech Advancing…Just Not Fast Enough
    Globally, battery technology continues to evolve. In China, a new EV featuring a semi-solid-state battery offering 333 miles of range has
    entered mass production—marking a potential turning point in range and charging efficiency. But the technology remains too expensive for
    widespread adoption, and the risk of fires hasn’t been eliminated.

    Until new standards emerge or fire suppression tech improves
    drastically, shipping companies may be forced to limit—or even ban—EV shipments altogether. Matson says it will not resume transport of EVs or PHEVs until “suitable industry-wide carriage and stowage protocols” are developed.

    With regulators like the International Maritime Organization now under pressure to act, this story could mark the beginning of a much broader reckoning for how the global supply chain handles electrification'

    1. I wouldn't buy an EV, at least at this point in time.
    2. If I did buy an EV, I wouldn't park it near my home.

    I recently renewed insurance and the first question for homeowner's insurance was "do you own an EV"?
    Followed by the usual do you have a dog, what kind?
    And the ever popular do you own a pool or a trampoline?

    The EV supporters will quote the statistics of ICE vs EV fires
    and while they may be true, EV/lithium battery fires are NOWHERE NEAR
    as dangerous or difficult to put out as fossil fuel fires.

    While the techonology, mostly battery, is improving by the day,
    it's just not ready for prime time IMHO.
    Too many risks vs few rewards.

    YMMV.
    Literally.

    --
    pothead

    "Our lives are fashioned by our choices. First we make our choices.
    Then our choices make us."
    -- Anne Frank

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  • From Marmalade King@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 1 02:58:03 2025
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    FUCK YOU ELON

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to John Smyth on Fri Aug 1 13:00:34 2025
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    John Smyth wrote:


    Can't blame them.

    Electric vehicles are the enemy. Real white Christian men avoid them.
    They are forbidden under our ideology.

    Why hasn't Trump banned them by now? Was he sucking Elon's cock?

    The military has been using them for years and that's why we can't win any wars.

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  • From Gronk@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue Aug 5 23:00:24 2025
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    Governor Swill wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 20:08:19 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    While the techonology, mostly battery, is improving by the day,
    it's just not ready for prime time IMHO.
    Too many risks vs few rewards.

    "UGH! Finger hurt! Fire BAD!"

    Fire is our friend!

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  • From chine.bleu@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed Aug 6 10:48:36 2025
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    Governor Swill wrote:
    On Tue, 5 Aug 2025 23:00:24 -0600, Gronk wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 20:08:19 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    While the techonology, mostly battery, is improving by the day,
    it's just not ready for prime time IMHO.
    Too many risks vs few rewards.

    "UGH! Finger hurt! Fire BAD!"

    Fire is our friend!

    NO! NO! Fire hurt finger! Fire BAD! BAN FIRE! Make America fire
    free again!


    Soothe that pain with these lumps of coal.

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