• Re: 'Diversity trumped skill '; Delta Air Lines under fire for champion

    From a425couple@21:1/5 to John Smyth on Wed Feb 19 09:57:27 2025
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    On 2/19/25 09:22, John Smyth wrote:
    And the truth comes out.

    "Diversity trumped skill': Delta Air Lines under fire for championing
    DEI amid spectacular crash"

    'Think the passengers who almost died in Toronto give a flying [bleep]
    about if the pilot [has sex with] dudes or the flight attendant's great grandma was a non binary Native American?''

    Why are they so unclear?
    This writer seems to work hard to imply that a minority unqualified
    pilot of copilot caused the accident.
    But hey never even show the flight crew was in any way minority.
    What!! Put up or shut up!

    <https://www.wnd.com/2025/02/diversity-trumped-skill-delta-air-lines-under-fire-for-championing-dei-amid-spectacular-crash/>

    'Delta Air Lines is coming under severe criticism for doubling down on
    its push for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion, or DEI, just days before Monday's spectacular crash involving a Minneapolis-to-Toronto flight
    that flipped one of its planes upside down during landing.

    On Feb. 6, Peter Carter, chief external affairs officer at Delta, said:
    "We are steadfast in our commitments because we think that they are
    actually critical to our business."

    (Note: Some graphic language in this new footage of the crash):



    "Sustainability is about being more efficient in our operations and
    really DE&I is about talent and that's been our focus."

    "The key differentiator at Delta is our people," Carter added, according
    to Fox5Atlanta.

    Among those slamming the airline in harsh terms is comedian Tyler
    Fischer, a frequent face on the Fox News Channel, who said on X:

    "This is from Delta's DEI website. An airline OBSESSED with the race and sexual preferences of their workers. Think the passengers who almost
    died in Toronto give a flying F*** about if the pilot [has sex with]
    dudes or the flight attendant's great grandma was a non binary Native American?"

    "Just land the damn plane right side up. Look at their site it's
    insane:"



    Another commenter noted: "Delta, the epitome of DEI zealotry, now faces
    the stark reality of their folly. A crash, not of mechanical failure,
    but of judgment, where diversity trumped skill. The wreckage serves as a stark reminder: competence, not checkboxes, should dictate roles. The
    cost? Peoples lives!"



    On Tuesday, a day after the crash, Delta's own website continues to
    champion DEI, with a variety of company statements and personal
    testimonials from minorities and homosexuals.

    "We actively seek diversity, boldly pursue equity, and consciously
    promote inclusion to create a sense of belonging for all people," its diversity page proudly declares.



    It quotes Delta CEO Ed Bastian saying: "Thoughtful action combined with
    a focus on championing diversity, equity and inclusion in the workplace
    and within our personal lives will play a healing role to help us keep climbing. The Delta family will use whatever means we have to move the
    world toward a better, more just tomorrow."

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    Julie T., a Delta customer solution supervisor in Atlanta, is featured
    in one diversity video, saying:

    "A waitress came over and said that we couldn't hold hands in a
    restaurant. And I was really just kind of heartbroken that somebody
    would feel tat way just because I'm holding hands with a woman."



    "I can't imagine being in other places where I can't be who I am, and
    Delta makes it so easy for me."



    The site also promotes one of its black female aviators, Monique
    Grayson.

    ?"As one of Fortune's Best Workplaces for Women, promoting diversity and intersectional empowerment of women is key to Delta's culture and
    success. To celebrate women's history and the impact women make on our
    world every single day, Delta is highlighting women across the business
    all month long.

    "On International Women's Day, we are thrilled and proud to share the
    story of Delta First Officer Monique Grayson.



    "I knew I had the desire to become a pilot when I was approximately 12
    years old," said Grayson. "I'm just hoping in the future, people will
    see people such as myself, and believe that whatever goal they have,
    they can accomplish it."



    Delta line check pilot Lane Kranz, a gay man, is also featured, and was
    asked why it is important for the world to see diversity in the flight
    deck.

    "We're a global airline that flies all over the world – over 300
    countries on six continents," he explained.


    "Our company brings people together from different cultures, practices,
    life experiences and perspectives, and it's important for our pilot population, and workforce in general, to mirror our customers. When you harness the energy of different people, that creates new perspectives
    and ideas – innovation. Innovation leads to change and change leads to opportunity. This is why diversity is so important."



    When asked to share an experience at Delta that made him feel included,
    Kranz responded:

    "One experience that comes to mind is when I was a first officer. I was flying with a captain, and he asked, 'What does your wife do?' I said,
    'I'm actually married to my husband, and he works for T-Mobile in Human Resources.' He said, 'Wow, that's awesome. I'm not gay but my son is,
    he's in college.' It just made my heart melt when he said that. I don't
    make a big point about me being gay, but if someone asks, I'm happy to
    share my experience."



    Meanwhile, Delta released a statement Tuesday with more information
    after all 80 passengers aboard the flight survived:

    "Delta teams continue to respond to Monday's single-aircraft accident involving Delta Connection Flight 4819, operated by Endeavor Air.

    "In total, 21 injured passengers were initially transported to local hospitals. As of Tuesday morning, 19 have been released.

    A Delta Air Lines flight flips upside down at a Toronto, Canada, airport
    on Monday, Feb. 17, 2025 (X)
    A Delta Air Lines flight flips upside down at a Toronto, Canada, airport
    on Monday, Feb. 17, 2025
    "Our most pressing priority remains taking care of all customers and
    Endeavor crew members who were involved," said Delta CEO Ed Bastian.
    "We'll do everything we can to support them and their families in the
    days ahead, and I know the hearts, thoughts and prayers of the entire
    Delta community are with them. We are grateful for all the first
    responders and medical teams who have been caring for them."

    "Delta's incident response team deployed to Toronto Pearson
    International Airport (YYZ) Monday evening, including specially trained
    Delta Care Team representatives who provide support for customers,
    employees and their loved ones. Members of Endeavor Air's leadership
    team are also on site to provide support and ensure full cooperation
    with investigators.

    "Delta and Delta Connection flights have resumed at YYZ, however two
    Delta flights are operating with larger aircraft to allow for greater
    arrival and departure capacity Tuesday. A travel waiver remains in
    effect on http://Delta.com for YYZ customers for travel through Feb.
    20."

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  • From P. Coonan@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 19 22:13:32 2025
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    On 19 Feb 2025, a425couple <[email protected]> posted some news:cYotP.874889$[email protected]:

    On 2/19/25 09:22, John Smyth wrote:
    And the truth comes out.

    "Diversity trumped skill': Delta Air Lines under fire for championing
    DEI amid spectacular crash"

    'Think the passengers who almost died in Toronto give a flying
    [bleep] about if the pilot [has sex with] dudes or the flight
    attendant's great grandma was a non binary Native American?''

    Why are they so unclear?
    This writer seems to work hard to imply that a minority unqualified
    pilot of copilot caused the accident.
    But hey never even show the flight crew was in any way minority.
    What!! Put up or shut up!

    Visually it looks like they came in too fast trying to compensate for a crosswind, hit hard, collapsed the landing gear on one side, causing lift generation on the other higher wing that just rolled them over.

    I guess they've never watched jets landing just ahead of a typhoon on a
    pacific island runway before. Those things be rockin' and rollin' as they
    come in.

    <https://www.wnd.com/2025/02/diversity-trumped-skill-delta-air-lines-u
    nder-fire-for-championing-dei-amid-spectacular-crash/>

    'Delta Air Lines is coming under severe criticism for doubling down
    on its push for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion, or DEI, just days
    before Monday's spectacular crash involving a Minneapolis-to-Toronto
    flight that flipped one of its planes upside down during landing.

    On Feb. 6, Peter Carter, chief external affairs officer at Delta,
    said: "We are steadfast in our commitments because we think that they
    are actually critical to our business."

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  • From P. Coonan@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 22 02:37:10 2025
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    On 19 Feb 2025, "Jim Wilkins" <[email protected]> posted some news:vp67rn$2ie6l$[email protected]:

    "P. Coonan" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

    Visually it looks like they came in too fast trying to compensate for
    a crosswind, hit hard, collapsed the landing gear on one side, causing
    lift generation on the other higher wing that just rolled them over.

    ------------------------------

    I read on pprune that some indications (ADS-B?) are they had an
    airspeed of maybe 155 kts but ground speed around 110 due to headwind.
    It's possible the reported "bump" was low level turbulence (Karman
    vortex?) from a building and they just suddenly stalled in it. It
    doesn't appear they had flared yet (maybe they wouldn't?) though the
    nose wheel remained intact. An educated guess put the descent rate
    about twice the landing gear rating.

    It's amazing how much an ordinary building can effect flight conditions
    when landing.

    The Air France flight that fell into the South Atlantic had stalled
    after the iced pitot triggered a sharp climb and then fell relatively
    level with a low forward speed that gave a hint of control but didn't
    trip the stall warning which was inhibited below 60 kts, or allow the normally turning engines to produce power. The stall warning sounded
    and confused the pilot in command when he correctly pushed forward to increase speed. Apparently airliners, which lack ejection seats, are
    only simulated for stall behavior.

    I've been on a Delta flight with a ground speed around 680 MPH.

    Jet stream?

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